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Scientific Proof of the existence of God - Nostradamus and the Great USA Eclipse 2017

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Started: 4/30/2017 Category: Religion
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newleft

Pro

If we have to choose between the USA and the DPRK then the choice is obvious...

https://www.youtube.com...

This is my personal condemnation of the USA and its capitalist ideology...

It is based on "objective fact" rather than "subjective opinion"

The first total solar eclipse to span the entire USA in 100 years...

https://www.greatamericaneclipse.com...

The modern man sees the importance of an eclipse merely in the fact that it happens.

BUT WHAT DOES THE ECLIPSE MEAN?

This is something science can never can answer, for it can answer only HOW but never WHY.

Atheists reject determinism in history, nonetheless assume it for the study of nature, since their model of science is that of the natural sciences - most importantly biology and physics.

FOR FULL EXPLANATION OF THE ECLIPSE

https://storify.com...

AMERICA, TREAD VERY CAREFULLY FOR YOU ARE BLIND TO THE SIGNS FROM THE HEAVENS...
FreshMeat12

Con

"If we have to choose between the USA and the DPRK then the choice is obvious..."

Agreed.

"This is my personal condemnation of the USA and its capitalist ideology..."

I agree, but what does this have to do with the topic?

"BUT WHAT DOES THE ECLIPSE MEAN?"

It means that the orbits of the sun and the moon allowed for the moon to cover the sun sometimes. Nothing more.

"This is something science can never can answer, for it can answer only HOW but never WHY."

There needn't be a "why" in natural phenomena. Saying there does need to be one will bring us back to the Stone Age arguments that say things like "where do rainbows come from? checkmate atheists".

"Atheists reject determinism in history, nonetheless assume it for the study of nature, since their model of science is that of the natural sciences - most importantly biology and physics"

I agree that determinism is assumed to study the natural world. However, I don't know what pro means when he says "Atheists reject determinism in history". I'd like for pro to expand on what he means by that.

"AMERICA, TREAD VERY CAREFULLY FOR YOU ARE BLIND TO THE SIGNS FROM THE HEAVENS..."

If God wanted us to find him, we wouldn't have to "tread carefully" to find his signs.
Debate Round No. 1
newleft

Pro

https://farm9.staticflickr.com...

Century VIII, Quatrain 66 {Benoist Rigaud edition de 1568}

Quand l"escriture D.M.trouuee,
Et caue antique lampe descouuerte,
Loy, Roy,& Prince Vlpian esprouuee,
Pauillon Royne & Duc sous la couuerte.

When the inscription D.M. is found
in the ancient cave, revealed by a lamp.
Law, the King and Prince Ulpian tried,
the Queen and Duke in the pavilion under cover.

The D.M. stands for Depeche Mode... They are singing "ENJOY THE
SILENCE" on TOP of the WORLD TRADE CENTER...

https://www.youtube.com...

and

the ORIGINAL *KING OF TERROR* VIDEO by D.M. *sigh*

https://www.youtube.com...

Note: They are singing *ABOUT* the "King of Terror"

(Note: See how the *DOUBLE* reveals the true nature of things.)

The ****HOUSE of NOSTRADAMUS**** in SALON, FRANCE.
Notice the WTC and the MUSICIANS in the BACKGROUND PAINTING !!!!

http://photos1.blogger.com...

The word TRAGEDY literally means "GOAT SONG". tragis oide: "goat
song"; perhaps the derivation of the word "tragedy" (were goats
awarded as prizes? does this refer to the ritualistic slaughter of
the sacrificial animal? the scream that the goat makes when slaughtered?)

also:

Now what does the WORD "TRAGEDY" mean... "GOAT SONG"... STRANGE"

http://www.wordinfo.info...

https://www.youtube.com...

and now notice BUSH is reading about a GOAT ****EXACTLY**** as the WTC burns. This is a question of *SECONDS*.

DOUBLE!

Notice also the REVERSALS in this scene... The DRUMMING OF THE TEACHER"
THE KIDS READING TO HIM NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND....
THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD SURROUNDED WITH THE
POOREST AND MOST POWERLESS SEGMENT OF US SOCIETY
(i.e., mainly black young girls), many of which will be condemned
to a miserable existence, working *as if* they were slaves
for a capitalist system that allows the Bushes and other rich
BigWigs to lord over everyone.

You people are fighting God when you should be fighting the capitalists... You are so wise.

Obviously you are blind to the REAL ISSUES.

DIVINE INTERVENTION IS NECESSARY TO *GET THE BALANCE RIGHT*
FreshMeat12

Con

I'm extremely confused about how any of that ties into the topic.

I read pro's post, and what i got from it was: Bush did 9/11, and therefore, I shouldn't fight religion, because the capitalists are evil.

I don't think that bush did 9/11, the things that Pro listed could easily be a coincidence. Or, at least, it's more probable than Bush doing 9/11, then giving subtle hints that he did it. He wouldn't want people to know if he played a part in it.

I didn't see any argument that talked about the scientific proof that I came here for (see title of this debate). I might be misreading what pro presented, but if that is the case, I'd like for pro to have some type of organizational structure in his debate posts. What would be even better is if he puts his arguments into the form of a syllogism.

I, like pro, don't believe that capitalism is a good system. I have two reasons for my fighting against religion. The first is, I simply think that religion hurts people, and I've seen people go into depression because their parents believe in religious nonsense. My second reason is to oppose the Republican Party, which holds the majority of capitalists in the US. The Republican Party runs on the idea of being the "Party of Christian values" (which is just a softened up way of saying "we want Christian theocracy"). Thus, to fight against religion is to fight against the Republican Party, which is ultimately fighting the capitalists.

The main quote that I took issue with in pro's post was "DIVINE INTERVENTION IS NECESSARY TO *GET THE BALANCE RIGHT*".

I'd like to point out to pro that any God which is capable of divine intervention could help us whenever he wants. However, like a stubborn malovent child, he sits and watches things like: the holocaust, 9/11, the Cambodian genocide, etc. etc. etc. and more etc.

If I misrepresented argument in this argument, pro, I'd strongly suggest that you correct me and explain clearly what you mean.
Debate Round No. 2
newleft

Pro

In time with the capitalist control controversy of youtube to censor radical or revolutionary content.... You still can't stop us...

"OPEN LETTER TO RICHARD DAWKINS"

BTW, I almost forgot the answer to the question, ALMOST"

so there is no transcendent reality, eh?
______________________________

http://www.dailymotion.com...

***WRONG***

__________________________________________________________

____________________________________________________________

FOR THE *TRAITORS*:

This particular piece of *BLACK PROPAGANDA* demonstrated the power of
the internet to spread an unconventional message to unsuspecting
targets" It also drove home the point that the supernatural can never
be eradicated from our existence without a price"

edition 1568 is the Prophetic Work

THE SUN IT SHINES... *CHERTE* FOR ALL YOU

Please observe how the entire atheist movement has been CRUSHED by the hand of NOSTRADAMUS

For James Randi and Richard Dawkins... Are these even *REAL* names?

RICHARD DAWKINS:

https://www.youtube.com...

You are ***WRONG*** and you are going to **** PAY THE PRICE ****

You would take away *HOPE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NONE*

http://www.propheties.it...

https://www.flickr.com...

https://www.flickr.com...

March 20, 2006 - SIX-LEGGED LAMB BORN

March 29, 2006 - Total Solar Eclipse
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov...

and

http://www.youtube.com...

THE DIVINE MONSTER:
Century III, Quatrain 34 {Benoist Rigaud edition de 1568}

Quand le deffaut du Soleil lors sera
Sur le plein iour le monstre sera veu:
Tout autrement on l"interpretera,
Cherte" n"a garde nul n"y aura pourueu.

When the eclipse of the Sun will then be,
In broad daylight the MONSTER will be seen
Everyone will differ on the interpretation,
High price unguarded: none will have prepared.

THE DIVINE MONSTER SIX-LEGGED LAMB:
http://forums.winamp.com...

SYMBOL OF THE ANTICHRIST......

And I want to quote entire from here because it is ALL-IMPORTANT....

http://wordinfo.info...

monstr-, monst-
(Latin: an omen; a supernatural manifestation; hence,
"horrific-supernatural being; supernatural manifestation"

Primarily used in medical references to a fetus or an infant with
substantial physical abnormalities considered by some to be like a
"monster".

ALSO:

http://www.etymonline.com...

MONSTER
c.1300, "malformed animal, creature afflicted with a birth defect,"
from O.Fr. monstre, from L. monstrum "monster, monstrosity, omen, portent, sign," from root of
monere "warn" (see monitor).

Abnormal or prodigious animals were regarded as signs or omens of
impending evil.

Nostradamus - USA

The truth about Nostradamus:

Considering all the lies that were spread about Nostradamus following
9/11 it is necessary to reveal what he actually wrote....

X.72: Here is an example of a "perfect match prophecy," with date
and event WHILE revealing the AGE of CIVILIZATION. Not the Stone Age or
the Bronze Age but the SPACE AGE.

NOSTRADAMUS REVEALS THE AGE OF CIVILIZATION IN THE YEAR 1999
(SPACE AGE).

What Britannica says about the SPACE AGE, "...Post 1945.. It
justifies the description of this period, however, as that of "space age
technology."

Subject: THE ACTUAL 1999 PROPHECY BY NOSTRADAMUS - X, 72

1) What relevant social-historical material can you
find in the quatrain X.72?

Only the last line relates the quatrain to the *entire
world* and refers to *particular* level of global social and historical
development. Advanced technological civilization has created the means to
travel many billions of miles through space.

Show me something in the quatrain that reveals the
type of world we lived in during 1999?

The quatrain deals with the all-embracing nature of
technology and science in human affairs and their destructive and repressive
use. It refers to a specific stage of human technological and scientific
development, a phase of human civilization called the "SPACE AGE."

Is there something unique in that quatrain which links
it to 1999 and is found during no other time in human history?

Spaceships have been sent to Mars for quite a while.
BUT IN *ONE* YEAR (1999) *TWO* SPACESHIPS WERE DESTROYED *ON* MARS.
(i.e., The year 1999... BEFORE AND AFTER MARS REIGNS WITH GOOD FORTUNE).

That is a world historical novelty.

Other interpretations cannot point to objective *concrete reality* and just
assume that the prophecy contains no social-historical *BACKGROUND*.
Indeed, it would be no prophecy if it could not point to the concrete world
we actually live in.

https://www.flickr.com...

Century X. Quatrain 72 {Benoist Rigaud edition de 1568}

L"an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois
Du ciel viendra un grand Roy deffraieur
Resusciter le grand Roy d"Angolmois.
*Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur.*

THE ACTUAL X.72 PROPHECY BY NOSTRADAMUS:

Century X, Quatrain 72

The year 1999, September,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror:
To bring back to life the great King of Angolmois,
*BEFORE AND AFTER MARS TO REIGN WITH GOOD FORTUNE.*

SEE DOUBLE?

DATE: 1999 SEPTEMBER. PLACE: MARS.

BEFORE AND AFTER = X 2.

THE FIRST PART OF THE PROPHECY IS CLEAR ENOUGH AND DOES NOT
REQUIRE *INTERPRETATION*.

THE THIRD LINE SHOWS THAT PROFOUND *MYSTERY* SURROUNDS THE
ENTIRE UNIVERSE. HUMAN REASON ONLY TOUCHES THE VERY SURFACE
OF REALITY. THE TRUE NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE CAN NEVER BE
UNDERSTOOD OR CONTROLLED BY THE MIND. IN OTHER WORDS, THINGS ARE NOT AS THEY
SEEM"

HENCE THE LAST LINE"

THE FINAL LINE OF THE PROPHECY IS ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE *TWO*
SPACESHIPS ON MARS IN *1999*.

YOU "MISSED" THE CRITICAL 1999 PROPHECY THAT DEALS WITH THE VERY
LIMITS OF HUMAN TECHNOLOGICAL AND SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR
ULTIMATE AND CATASTROPHIC FAILURE!

COINCIDENCE? YOU BE THE JUDGE....

************NOTICE THE ACCURACY TO THE EXACT MONTH*************

http://www.cnn.com...

Mars craft probably destroyed
Doomed by bad navigation

Tense mission controllers at JPL wait for the missing signal from Mars
Climate Orbiter

September 23, 1999
Web posted at: 3:49 p.m. EDT (1949 GMT)

By Robin Lloyd
CNN Interactive Senior Writer

(CNN)"A navigation error pushed NASA"s latest Mars mission fatally
close to the planet Thursday, leaving the $125 million probe lost in space and possibly
destroyed.

NOTICE ACCURACY TO THE MONTH: SEPTEMBER 1999

"THE YEAR 1999 SEPTEMBER"

BEFORE AND AFTER (X2) MARS REIGNS WITH GOOD FORTUNE."

******NOW THE SECOND ONE LOST IN DECEMBER******

Double failure on Mars in 1999 by NASA

http://mikehammer.tripod.com...

From cnn.com 1999, December 7. 1999

"Silence on Mars as NASA"s "last silver bullet" misses mark

Optimism among controllers turned to gloom and disappointment as the
last chance to reach the probe passed without result

December 7, 1999
Web posted at: 4:46 a.m. EST (0946 GMT)"
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by khalek 5 months ago
khalek
I just missed that. But you can also watch fifa world cup live stream from here: https://wc2018live.org...
Posted by newleftarmy3 11 months ago
newleftarmy3
https://www.youtube.com...

ECLIPSE 2006
Posted by FreshMeat12 1 year ago
FreshMeat12
I was definitely unprepared for this debate, I came into this without adequate knowledge of the topic. Vote pro, I suppose.
Posted by newleft 1 year ago
newleft
Victory by FORFEIT!
Posted by newleft 1 year ago
newleft
The youtube crisis... you can never shut down the voice of the people. We don't care about your filthy capitalist money! The new revolutionary language is the destruction of capital not its acquisition.

https://www.youtube.com...
Posted by FreshMeat12 1 year ago
FreshMeat12
Pressed submit when I meant to press make changes, there are some phrasing issues in my round 2 post but you should understand what I mean.
Posted by TheUnexaminedLife 1 year ago
TheUnexaminedLife
That I agree with but just because I can conceive of it so, doesn't mean that it exists in reality (which I think is precisely newleft's claim).
Posted by missmedic 1 year ago
missmedic
Unicorns like gods, are created and exist in only one place, the imagination. It is the same part of the mind that is used conceptualise gods and unicorns.
Posted by TheUnexaminedLife 1 year ago
TheUnexaminedLife
Whilst Kierkegaard's leap of faith idea, that is that faith doesn't need evidence of reason, I think has some credibility to it, it could also be used to prove the existence of any conceivable concept. Just because I can think of a unicorn and believe, doesn't mean that a unicorn actually exists.
Posted by missmedic 1 year ago
missmedic
You do not use or need knowledge, proof or evidence for gods.
The only thing needed for gods to exist is belief.
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