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Sealand should be admitted as the 194th United Nations Member State

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Started: 2/23/2019 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Sealandic-Ambassador

Pro

For those who have not heard, The micro nation called The Principality of Sealand, Or just Sealand for short, Is a proud island nation located off of the coast of the UK. In its history, It has established a sovereign government, Formed a detailed constitution, Fought off an invasion and even an attempted coup de tat amongst other things. Unfortunately for the government and citizens of the Principality, Its standing in the minds of the rest of the world has been pretty poor. However, Its legitimacy has been supported by the legal actions of the United Kingdom, Austria, The Netherlands, And Germany. In addition to these recognitions of sovereignty, It is supported by the Montevideo Convention of 1933: specifically, Article 1, Parts a, B, C, And d.
In this debate, I will present the argument about Sealand's rightful place in the international community and why it is more than deserved. I challenge anyone who believes otherwise to put forth their reasoning to the debate. Org community.

Con

This is not a country. You can pretend it is because we can all pretend and have fun once in a while. But it is just some random pleb going on a island and claiming its his
Debate Round No. 1
Sealandic-Ambassador

Pro

I would claim that Sealand is a very real country and it does not need your approval to be as such. The Montevideo Convention is approved and recognized by the United Nations and is signed by many Latin American and South American countries as well as the United States of America.

Article 1 states as follows: "The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states. "

(a) Sealand has a permanent population of citizens (approximately 27)

(b) Sealand is located in the North Sea, Near Suffolk, England, And rightfully claims the Roughs Tower as its sovereign territory. It occupies it year-round and maintains and defends it.

(c) It has a thoroughly-made constitution (which you can read at https://en. Wikisource. Org/wiki/Constitutions_of_1975_and_of_1989/Constitution_of_1989) with specific governmental bodies and procedures. Its current ruler is Michael Bates.

(d) This article is the trickiest one to fulfill but I will make my case here.
In the late 1960's, Roy Bates (Michael's father) claimed the tower for himself because it was outside of the jurisdiction of the British Government. This assertion was affirmed when he fired warning shots at the Royal Navy and was arrested by the British government when he returned to the mainland. However, The judge stated that the court could not convict Bates of any crime because he was outside of their jurisdiction. This was the first real claim to sovereignty.
Then, In August of 1978, Roy was approached by a group of German and Dutch diamond merchants who wanted him to fly to Austria to entertain a business proposal. Upon their arrival, He and his wife Joan were met by five men who arranged for a meeting later that day, But the meeting time came and went without any word from the men. Concerned, Roy and his wife tried to make contact with their son Michael who was at Sealand, But since there was no phone or radio on the tower, They had to call local fishermen and the coast guard. "I saw a big helicopter hovering over Sealand, " one of them reported. Prince Roy's worries were confirmed when he finally heard from Michael, Many days later. A helicopter had arrived at Sealand, Claiming to have a Telex from Roy. But upon landing, They took the platform by force with the assistance of the "Prime Minister" Roy had appointed, A man named Alexander G. Achenbach. The invaders locked Michael in a cell for three days without food or water, Then put him aboard a Dutch vessel which dropped him off in Holland with no money and no passport. This is the Sealandic coup de tat.
The Bates family hired a small military and forcefully took back their land, Freeing Michael and holding the invaders as prisoners of war much to the dismay of the governments of The Netherlands, Austria, And Germany because the prisoners were citizens of those nations. Their leader was charged by Sealand with treason and held for ransom. So the aforementioned countries formally petitioned Britain to have him released but Britain cited the earlier ruling that Sealand was outside of its legal jurisdiction and told them that it could not do anything to stop it. Germany then sent a diplomat from its embassy in London to the tower to negotiate for the release of Achenbach. The negotiations went on for several weeks and eventually ended in Achenbach's release but Sealand gained recognition from Germany, The Netherlands, And Austria and satisfied Article 1 (d) by entering into relations with several states and showing that it could do so again at any time.

Even if none of these reasons matter to you, That doesn't matter to Sealand.

ARTICLE 3 of the Montevideo Convention states:
The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence, To provide for its conservation and prosperity, And consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, To legislate upon its interests, Administer its services, And to define the jurisdiction and competence of its courts.
The exercise of these rights has no other limitation than the exercise of the rights of other states according to international law.

In other words, A country does NOT need recognition by any one else to have a legitimate claim to exist. Sealand has recognition but it does not need it. It can officially exist without the consent or acknowledgement of others.

I would challenge you to bring any well thought-out, Reasoned arguments against the Montevideo Convention's validity, To ask questions or bring up other points about Sealand's history, Or to answer the topic question about its potential admittance to the United Nations.
Debate Round No. 2
Sealandic-Ambassador

Pro

Sealandic-Ambassador forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Sealandic-Ambassador

Pro

Sealandic-Ambassador forfeited this round.

Con

27 people are not a permenent population

The people who came for gates are not a military invading.
Debate Round No. 4
Sealandic-Ambassador

Pro

Sealandic-Ambassador forfeited this round.

Con

Nothing to say
Debate Round No. 5
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