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whitefang421
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Amphia
Con (against)

Should Catalonia be an independent state?

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Started: 3/5/2018 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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whitefang421

Pro

Catalonia should be allowed to be independent.
We have a different culture, language, and besides, Spain is treating us like we are inferior to them. Liberty to political prisoners!
Amphia

Con

Catalonia should not be allowed to be independent. Their would be negative effects for Spain but most importantly, negative effects for Catalonia.

1. Catalonia already has regional autonomy
Catalonia already has regional autonomy. It is far greater than that of other regions in Spain. They already function as a state within a state.
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2. Catalonia is important to Spain's economy

"While Catalans only account for about 16 percent of the Spanish population, Catalonia makes a hefty contribution to the overall Spanish economy, making 223.6 billion euros ($262.96 billion) a year, according to the regional government. This is around 20 percent of its total gross domestic product (GDP). Larger than the contribution that California makes to the whole United States."

If Spain were to lose Catalonia, they would be losing around 20% of their GDP which could have disastrous effects. Alain Cuenca, an economics professor, says the following: "The establishment of a border would result in a loss of jobs, income and wealth for everybody, whether they live in Catalonia or in the rest of Spain,"

If Catalonia were to secede, their would be income loss for everyone in Spain and Catalonia. Also, if Spain lost 20% of its GDP, it would have a smaller budget and be less able to pay off debt. Something interesting to note is that Catalonia accounts for about 16% of Spain's debt

"Catalonia accounts for 16.34 percent of Spain's debt, which is not a small price tag."

. If Catalonia left, would Spain have to suffer the burden or would Catalonia? Catalonia might claim since they were no longer part of Spain, it was not their problem which would lead to more economic consequences for Spain.
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3. Even if you don't care about Spain, what about you?

Even if you don't care what happens to Spain (and no one expects you to), Catalonia will still suffer disastrous effects.

"In the meantime, Catalonia would lose access to the European single market. Given its dependence on exports (it accounts for a quarter of Spain"s) and finance, that could be calamitous.
An independent Catalonia would either need to mint its own currency or continue to use the euro like Kosovo and Montenegro do " with no right to print currency nor a seat at the European Central Bank.
An independent Catalonia would struggle to borrow with its poor credit ratings.
Catalonia"s economic dynamism owes much to expats and foreign companies, many of whom may relocate if growth stalls."

Also,
"Independence would mean giving up and reapplying for EU membership. Catalonia would likely meet the technical criteria, but Spain could block its accession. (Unanimity is required from existing member states.)"

You might say, who cares if Catalonia cannot get into the EU? Well, you should.

"...35.5 percent of Catalan exports are to the Spanish market....In order to become a part of the union it must receive a unanimous "yes" from EU members and that includes Spain and its allies, which are unlikely to vote for Catalonia's addition to the union. If the new nation were to be denied entrance or have difficulty joining the union, the Catalan economy would face large transition costs, as the EU accounts for roughly 65.8 percent of Catalan exports."

If Catalonia cannot get into the EU, they lose a HUGE portion of their trade. 65.8 percent! Since a large portion of the Catalan economy rests on trade, this would have devastating economic effects. When an economy doesn't make money, their people suffer.

4. Catalan independence is quite contrived

Most people in Catalonia don't actually want independence. many point to the referendum as proof but a huge portion of Catalans didn't even show up, it is not an accurate reflection of Catalonia. Also, Spanish and foreign-born citizens make up between 1/3 to 1/2 of the population. "They have no strong sense of nationhood."
The people who really want Independence are the region's politicians who want more power and driven by selfish motives. Yes, there are Catalans who truly want independence but they do not realize the effects that will occur and how harmful it'll be to them.

In conclusion, I do not believe Catalonia should be an independent state because of the economic consequences.

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Posted by Amphia 3 years ago
Amphia
😂😂 Good luck on your exams! And it's okay if you want to forefeit until you have more time to write arguments. We can always redo the debate.
Posted by whitefang421 3 years ago
whitefang421
I know! My friends in the USA were on the "pro-Catalonia" side!
You have great arguments! Let's see if I can disprove them all especially now that I'm in exams(AAHAHAHA no time)
Posted by Amphia 3 years ago
Amphia
I feel like people make it seem so easy to rebel. Leaving Spain might be the best option (I don't know) but there will be a lot of struggles and now that I think of it I should just debate you.
Posted by Amphia 3 years ago
Amphia
We debated this topic for one month in my debate team.
Posted by Arganger 3 years ago
Arganger
I always support rebellion.
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