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danish_pakistan
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Amphia
Con (against)

Should schools be banned since they are churning inept individuals?

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Started: 3/22/2018 Category: Education
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danish_pakistan

Pro

The fact is that no sane person likes schools. They create a destructive learning atmosphere - boring, peer pressure, sex, drugs, unnecessary competition etc. In addition, most schools are based on outdated teaching concepts like kindergarten and emphasis on textual information that originated centuries ago.

Instead of sending children to prisons (i.e. schools), it's better to homeschool the child. They should enter the academic life (universities) and select a career once they are emotionally mature at age 16 to 18.

I blame the moral ineptness of today's adults to public schooling. It's time we stop this sadistic trend of ruining our children's lives. It's time we raise voice against the destructive forces created by schools. Is it time to ban school?
Amphia

Con

Would you just ban public school or all types of school? (private, charter schools)

My opponent begins their argument with the following: “The fact is that no sane person likes schools.”

I actually disagree with this wholeheartedly ad a sane person who does like school. Not to say that every day is perfect, but in general I do enjoy it. I learn new things every day.

“They create a destructive learning atmosphere - boring, peer pressure, sex, drugs, unnecessary competition etc.”

A school is only boring if the teachers are boring. Not all schools are like this. Many teachers have tried new learning styles that engage students. One example is “Personalized learning” which encourages teachers to treat all students like individuals.

“Personalized learning isn’t terribly complicated in theory–at its core, it’s the idea that the “average” student (whom educators have traditionally designed curriculum for) doesn’t actually exist. Any given student will be somewhere near “average,” but the description can never give an individual student everything they may need. Personalized learning is a practice in which educators seek to tailor challenge, lessons and instructional style to each student’s needs.”

http://www.gettingsmart.com...

In the olden days (as I like to call them), students were not individuals. Everyone was treated more or the less the same when it came to academics and anyone who didn’t learn as fast as the rest or in the same way was punished. In the 1800s, children with dyslexia were called “dumb” or “retarded” and singled out for their learning disability. Something that we now understand can be overcome with practice and support from family and the school. Schools, while not perfect, have gotten a lot better as we’ve evolved as a society.

Students are also being introduced to project-based learning which is actually a style is employed in my own school. This is the idea that we encourage students to complete projects connected to the lesson. It makes class a lot more fun for me.

My opponent also talks about peer pressure but this is not something that is isolated to school. Peer pressure is everywhere. When kids grow up and get jobs or go to college, there WILL be pressure. Parents need to teach their children about what peer pressure and what it looks like to prepare them for school but more importantly, for their future afterwards.

Sex and drugs are generally seen in junior high schools but again, these things are present in places that are not school. Do you honestly think that homeschooling your child will stop them from learning what sex and drugs are? They are part of life, whether you like it or not. Sheltering them by banning school is absurd and not the way to protect your child.

And unnecessary competition, could you give some specifics? I would say that school provides some necessary competition as competition makes us grow because we strive to be better.

“In addition, most schools are based on outdated teaching concepts like kindergarten and emphasis on textual information that originated centuries ago.”

Can you please explain how kindergarten is outdated? Also, not all classes are solely based on textual information that originated centuries ago. What school do you go to? Many schools don’t even use textbooks. Teachers use other ways that are more efficient to teach students.

Classes that only emphasize the information in their textbooks only do so because of their teachers. Bad schools are not bad because school is a terrible institution. Bad schools are bad because of bad teachers and/or inadequate funding/state support.

“Instead of sending children to prisons (i.e. schools), it's better to homeschool the child. They should enter the academic life (universities) and select a career once they are emotionally mature at age 16 to 18.”

A couple of problems with this:

  1. Banning school and homeschooling all kids is not going to turn out well. For one, it is unfeasible. Not all kids can be homeschooled by their parents. There are the kids whose parents work all day and don’t have the time to teach them. And the kids who have special needs that are more easily available and affordable at schools—such as teachers trained in educating kids with special needs.
  2. My opponent says that kids will be emotionally mature at 16 or 18 but this in inaccurate. Many studies have shown that maturity is not reached until 25 years old. 16-18 year olds are still just kids, that is why I think 18 should not be the age of majority but that’s another debate.

“Most of the privileges and responsibilities of adulthood are legally granted by the age of 18. That's when you can vote, enlist in the military, move out on your own, but is that the true age of maturity? A growing body of science says, no. That critical parts of the brain involved in decision-making are not fully developed until years later at age 25 or so.”

https://www.npr.org...

“I blame the moral ineptness of today's adults to public schooling.” Such haughty speaking from my opponent. Who are you to say that the adults of today are morally inept? And would you say that philanthropists like Oprah Winfrey, Mark Zuckerberg, and Jeff Bezos, products of public education are morally inept?

It is not time nor will it ever be time to ban school.

Debate Round No. 1
danish_pakistan

Pro

My opponent has made a lot of good points in favor of schools. However, there were certain weak points in the arguments that I would like to point out.

Firstly, the opinion of the majority has a higher weight than the opinion of the minority. Experts agree and statistics show that most students don't like school. One survey of thousands of school children in the US had found that arount 77 percent of students didn't like school, and 60 percent stated that they didn't find any value in the schoolwork.
I can quote a lot of sources here regarding this point.
e.g.
https://www.psychologytoday.com..., https://www.livescience.com...,
https://www.washingtonpost.com...).

The fact is that the current western teaching methods employed in most schools around the world are grossly ineffective. They don't teach students how to be a good human being; instead they focus on how to make them a mean working machine. Schools don't generally teach students about ethics, morality, civic sense, communal actions. Instead there is too much emphasis on facts most of which don't matter when we enter adulthood.

While the point about personaliztion is good, not many schools personalize the courses according to the inclination of students. It's not practical for most schools with limited budgets anyway.

About the point raised by my opponent about parents being busy to home school children, the solution is hiring a personal tutor. Poor busy parents who can't afford a cotly professional tutor can simply hire a senior year student in the neighborhood.

The surprising fact is that the US leads the world when it comes to homeschooling with about 2 million students or 3.4 percent of total students. (Source: https://www2.ed.gov...).
Hometutored studens score higher in college aptidute tests than their unfortunate school (prizon) groomed peers. (Source: https://www.nheri.org...). Homeschool childrens are less likely to indulge in drugs and unsafe sex leading to STD than their (unfortunate) homeschooled peers (Source:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...). It's more cost effective as well. The annual cost of homeschooling comes to around $4800 per student while the average cost of schooling in the US is around $6800 per student (https://www.moneycrashers.com..., http://www.aneverydaystory.com...).

I strongly believe that current schooling system is grossly outdated and ineffective. They should be phased out and replaced by homeschooling that is more successful. Down with the tyrant was the cry of the French revolutionaries in the 18th century. Down with the schools should be the cry of students the world over to bring down repressive schools.
Amphia

Con

Kids Dislike School
Perhaps a majority of kids dislike school but first you must ask yourself why. Is it because we don’t like to do work? Is it because we have terrible teachers?

Instead of outright banning school, we need to fix the problems we have.

A majority of adults dislike their jobs:

“In 2013, Forbes magazine reported on the poll, saying “work is more often a source of frustration than fulfillment for nearly 90% of the world’s workers.”


The number of global employees described by Gallup as “emotionally disconnected from their workplaces” is only slightly better this year (85%) than four years ago (87%).”

But we wouldn’t ban work to “solve” the problem, right? School is important for the future, just like work.

"Homeschooling is Feasible"
My opponent argues that we can simply homeschool our students to educate them but this is still unfeasible.

About the point raised by my opponent about parents being busy to home school children, the solution is hiring a personal tutor. Poor busy parents who can't afford a cotly professional tutor can simply hire a senior year student in the neighborhood.

Maybe this would work for some parents, but certainly not all. Not every neighborhood has access to a student who can effectively teach a kid. And I think this is a bad idea anyway because there is a larger room for error. Kids are kids, regardless of whether they are a senior or freshman. Teachers get degrees and are far less likely to teach their student the wrong information than another student, as well as parents. Being older doesn’t mean you are a good teacher.

Western Teaching = Ineffective

I would not so generally speak of our schools like this but even if this is 100 percent true, how does homeschooling solve the problem? Americans learn the western way, they have western thinking, and they’ll teach their kids in similar fashions as they were taught. Fix the system, don’t get rid of it.

Personalization
Personalization is actually practical for schools because it simply requires talking to students and finding out their needs. The teachers just need to take the time to understand their kids. Any school can do that.

Substance Use
My opponent also talks about how homeschooled students are less likely to indulge in drugs. However, if you continue to read the article, most students who were homeschooled were because of religious reasons:

“According to findings from the National Household Education Surveys Program (U.S. Department of Education, 2013), the most important reasons why adolescents are home-schooled include parental concerns about the school environment, such as safety, drugs, or negative peer pressure, dissatisfaction with academic instruction at other schools, and a desire to provide religious instruction.”

If you compare the findings of religious public school kids (in the article you provided) and that of religious home schooled kids, the data is pretty similar:

“While the odds of drinking were higher among non-homeschooled adolescents, group differences were non-significant once religious variables were included. Similar results were found by Green-Hennessy (2014), in which 3% of homeschooled adolescents with strong religious ties had a substance use disorder compared to 6% of religious non-homeschooled students and 15% of home-schooled non-religious adolescents. These findings are consistent with research by Salas-Wright et al. (2012), who observed more religious adolescents to participate in less substance use behavior.”

When you compared religious kids on either side, you see that their reports of substance use.

But further down the article it says that homeschool research is generally untrustworthy. It is usually skewed by homeschool advocacy groups:

“Additionally, much of the homeschooling research consists of qualitative research or highly flawed quantitative methods (Kunzman and Gaither, 2013). As Kunzman and Gaither (2013) explain, homeschooling research studies “suffer from serious design limitations and are often used disingenuously to make generalizations beyond what their specific conclusions warrant.” Further, homeschooling research is heavily biased as studies are frequently published and supported by homeschooling advocacy groups, who utilize the data to influence families and policymakers (Lubienski et al., 2013).”

Higher Test Scores

While I can see why homeschooled children score higher on tests (learning that is very closely watched), making everyone get homeschooled will not make everyone have higher scores. As I said, homeschooling is not possible for every kid. Kids in these situations would probably be taught very little as there is no time or never anyone available to teach them. They would score lower on tests. The trend would no longer continue.

Cost Effective
It is also more cost effective but that does not mean it is better. The U.S. makes a lot of money. We can afford public schooling. No, not every school gets the funding they need but again, we need to fix the problems we have, not just kick out of the system entirely.

I think public education is a helpful way for parents with busy jobs or not as much money to give their kids a decent education. No, the system isn’t perfect, but homeschooling isn’t as perfect as my opponent makes it out to seem either. We should give parents and kids the choice to make their own decisions and decide what is best for them. Not force out own ideas upon them.

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...



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Posted by Amphia 3 years ago
Amphia
I like school.
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