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Should the US have open borders?

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Started: 9/15/2018 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Pro

Closed borders infringes property rights because it arbitrarily restricts the use of private property. [1] If the government decides who I am allowed to bring onto my property, Then I don't have property rights at all but instead government granted privileges.

Immigration reform gives a reason for the government to know who you are, So this creates an incentive for the government to issue IDs, Register your information in a database, And demand your identification when entering or leaving the country [2][4] which intrudes on the people's right to privacy.

Immigration reform leads to 4th amendment violations (unreasonable searches and seizures) as the government would need to set up checkpoints along the border [3][4]

Immigration improves the economy. [5]

Immigration reform increases the tax burden on citizens. Taxation is also a violation of property rights. [6]

1. Http://www. Claiminghumanrights. Org/udhr_article_17. Html#at18
2. Https://travel. State. Gov/content/travel/en/passports. Html
3. Https://en. Wikipedia. Org/wiki/United_States_Border_Patrol_interior_checkpoints#List_of_permanent_checkpoints
4. Https://www. Texasobserver. Org/border-patrol-takes-no-for-an-answer-at-internal-checkpoints/
5. Https://www. Manhattan-institute. Org/pdf/e21_02. Pdf
6. Https://en. Wikipedia. Org/wiki/Taxation_as_theft
kyleniel

Con

TO play devil's advocate.

Guns are regulated to prevent bad people from getting them. Why not apply the same concept to immigration?
Debate Round No. 1

Pro

Gun control and immigration control are both unethical for similar reasons. Both restrict the rights of all people regardless of whether they've committed a crime. Both give too much power to the government and may result in government tyranny. Gun laws such as mandatory background checks and immigration laws such as obligatory passports both invade privacy by databasing sensitive personal information.

It wouldn't make sense to harm the people that you're trying to protect, But that precisely is what happens under gun and immigration control. Because of the actions of a few criminals, The government decides to squash the rights of innocent people under the guise of safety.

George Mason once said, ". . . To disarm the people, That was the best and most effectual way to enslave them. " [1] emphasizing the theme of government tyranny that may occur with gun control. Similarly, Socialist and fascist countries (ex: North Korea, USSR, Nazi Germany, Etc. ) have a history of using immigration control to lock in their citizens since people tend to flee socialist and fascist countries. [2] Protecting yourself from government tyranny is a popular argument for pro-gun conservatives, But somehow it is lost on them that border control can also lead to government tyranny.

1. Http://www. Madisonbrigade. Com/g_mason. Htm
2. Https://en. Wikipedia. Org/wiki/Travel_visa#Exit_visas
kyleniel

Con

Can't debate that.
Debate Round No. 2

Pro

I guess we"re done now. GG and WP
kyleniel

Con

GG? WP? Excuse me?
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Debating_Horse 3 years ago
Debating_Horse
Will vote in the next 7 days. I am not the most active user.
Posted by DeletedUser 3 years ago
DeletedUser
"Who had better spelling and grammar? "

Maybe if Debate. Org would stop changing my apostrophes to quotation marks and capitalizing every letter that proceeds a comma
Posted by Debating_Horse 3 years ago
Debating_Horse
Open borders is a BAD idea. Will accept in the next 10 hours upon no one else accepting the challenge.
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