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Calebbright
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Our_Boat_is_Right
Con (against)

Should the United States continue to allow illegal/undocumented immigrants to enter the country"s

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Started: 9/2/2018 Category: Society
Updated: 2 months ago Status: Debating Period
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Calebbright

Pro

Other than the dwindling population of Native Americans that still live in reserves all Americans are and were immigrants at one time. Even though those with strong family ties to this country may claim to have a stake here this land was never truly ours. We moved in like a hostile force with no regard for anyone or thing else. Our nation's history is one of immigration and change. Monuments and what are now tourist destinations such as the Statue of Liberty(Ellis Island) and Angel Island are remnants if what once was. Immigrants came by the boatload to have a new and better life in the land of opportunity, But now even more so they are looked down on and made to feel as though they are less than us, The only thing that separates us from them is the amount of time we've been here. So why now do we have such a large problem with it, Why should we close ourselves off from the rest of the world?
Our_Boat_is_Right

Con

We are a nation of immigrants. Not ILLEGAL immigrants.

"So why now do we have such a large problem with it, Why should we close ourselves off from the rest of the world? "
Every other country has border security and doesn't allow anyone to enter their country. We don't have a problem with immigrants. We have a problem with illegals. If you want to come in, Come in the right way. It's not that hard. America is a nation of laws. With no immigration laws crime would rise and we would hardly be a country. We are letting in many more immigrants now than we were back then.
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Posted by mosc 1 month ago
mosc
The ruling of the SC - that the US can not impose laws upon foreign countries. Constitutional rights stop at the edge of the waters of the Pacific and Atlantic/California and New York.
Posted by Block19 2 months ago
Block19
Freed slaves were made citizens after the 14th amendment, But prior to civil war there were a lot of slaves who were freed in one way or another, However those former slaves were not citizens. In fact it was very difficult for a black person to become a fully recognized citizen.

Exactly, An American company wanted the French boat seized claiming it had been stolen from them by the French. The court stated that the company could not take ownership of the boat just because they claimed it once belonged to them and was on US soil (Philadelphia). The court ruled in favor of the french captain who was the defendant and said that the US could not seize the property of a foreign national. In layman's terms, The United States has to respect the rights of everyone regardless of where they are from.
Posted by mosc 2 months ago
mosc
The SC ruled that the French owned ship that the US had no jurisdiction over it.
Posted by mosc 2 months ago
mosc
Freed blacks were not slaves but rather US citizens! A country has no mandate to determine the rights of foreign nationals living in other countries. Duh.
Posted by Block19 2 months ago
Block19
I never said anything about the founding fathers giving rights to the entire world, But they did recognize that non-citizens in the U. S. Had protection of rights, Maybe not all rights but even freed blacks had the right to jury trails even before the 14th amendment.
Posted by Block19 2 months ago
Block19
The Schooner Exchange v. McFaddon was one of the earliest supreme court cases i could find.
Posted by mosc 2 months ago
mosc
Bring a case and then we can discuss it.
Posted by mosc 2 months ago
mosc
The Founding Fathers are not God. They sought to establish the United States not give rights to all people on the planet earth. Such a notion it compares to the Spanish idiot who touched the waters of the Pacific ocean and declared all lands touched by these waters existed as colonies of Spain. What an idiot.
Posted by Block19 2 months ago
Block19
So are you suggesting that America and the founding fathers did not recognize any non resident in the united states as having rights? I can assure you that you are wrong as there are plenty of examples of French and Spanish citizens being able to sue and being put on trial in the united states, Back in the 1800's.
Posted by mosc 2 months ago
mosc
Hello wake up and smell the Coffee. . . The Bill of Rights - the 1st 10 Amendments to the Constitution of the United States. The Preamble to the Constitution "We the People of the United States etc". Not we the people of Russia or Mexico or some other country! The American and French revolutions centered upon citizens rights as opposed to subjects of a king or aristocracy. Citizen its not employed in the US Constitution at all, But this does not disqualify the intent of the Bill of Rights to protect the defined rights of US citizens.
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