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Should the death penalty be abolished

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Started: 7/31/2018 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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Pro

For the first round please just accept the debate. Arguments will begin next round.
FanboyMctroll

Con

The death penalty should never be abolished, It has already been abolished by many countries but I firmly believe in it BECAUSE the criminal will never reoffend again. With the recidivism rate at 89% for criminals the death penalty gets rid of that stat for murderers. A serial killer will never kill again. Plus we save millions in taxes housing these murderers on death row for 15 years.
Debate Round No. 1

Pro

Since 1791, Our country has had a cruel method of punishing people known as the death penalty. It is a method of killing criminals for horrible crimes by methods of lethal injection, Firing squads, The electric chair, The gas chamber and many others. All of these are slow painful processes. Aside from the cruelty however, There are many reasons we should abolish it.

ARGUMENT 1: EXECUTIONERS SUFFER FROM PTSD.
When executioners execute criminals they have to execute them in ways such as the electric chair, Firing squad, And lethal injection. In the process of these, The criminal often suffers in excruciating pain. Not only is this harming the criminal, But the executioner as well. The executioner has to sit there and watch the whole time. They have to watch people as they writhe in agony as the criminal is being put to death. Jerry Givens quotes, "You can't tell me I can take the life of people and go home and be normal. If I had known what have to go through as an executioner, I wouldn't have done it. It took a lot out of me to do it. " Jerry Givens is just one the many executioners who suffer from PTSD. He is just one of the many people who will have to spend the rest of their lives with this dis-order. If we abolished the death penalty, Think about how many people would be saved from this mental dis-order

ARGUMENT 2: INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE KILLED:
Freddie Pitts quotes, "you can always release an innocent person from prison from a sentence of life without parole-but you can never release an innocent man from the grave. " He is exactly right. If you put to death an innocent person it is irreversible. Once you are dead you simply cannot be brought back to life. If an innocent person was sentenced to life imprisonment however, That is a reversible mistake. If you find the man to be innocent you can release him. Unfortunately, Because of the death penalty, Innocent people are put to death all the time. As a matter of fact, 1 in 25 sentenced to death in the US are innocent. Not only does this have an impact on the person itself, But also a string of other negative impacts. The family members of these people would be devastated to find out their loved one was killed when they did not deserve to die by any means. It just shows to prove that the worst punishments in this world are the ones that can't be taken back.

ARGUMENT 3: THE DEATH PENALTY IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE:
As I said, The death penalty has so many other negative impacts then what it may seem like at first glance. It may seem like that it might just effect the person themselves, But there is a whole string of other effects. This is one of them. The death penalty comes at a great cost. Studies show that death penalty cases cost an average of 1. 26 million dollars per case, While life imprisonment cases cost around 740, 000 dollars a case. If that sounds like a big difference, That's just for one case. The thousands and thousands of other death penalty cases will cause the government to spend billions of dollars on something that is extremely controversial. This is money that the government could be spending on something that truly matters. They could be spending this money on things like charity, Homeless people, The list goes on and on.

ARGUMENT 4: THE DEATH PENALTY DOES NOT DETER CRIME, IT INCREASES CRIME.
You might think that the death penalty would deter crime because people would think before acting but that is not the case. Why? Because criminals don't think before they act. A lot of the time the murders they commit are either when they are mentally ill, On drugs or alcohol, Or when they are in a fit of rage and kill someone without weighing in the consequences. As a result, The death penalty does not work as a proper deterrence to crime. Contrarily, It increases crime by a commanding number. Here is a link to a graph of crime rates in death penalty states to non-death penalty states.
https://www. Amnestyusa. Org/issues/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/the-death-penalty-and-deterrence/

ARGUMENT 5: THE DEATH PENALTY DOES NOT BRING CLOSURE TO VICTIMS FAMILY MEMBERS.
You would think that the death penalty would bring closure to victims family members, But that is not the case. In fact, Studies have found that very rarely victims family members have a sense of closure knowing that the murderer is dead. 2. 5% of victims loved ones claimed they had any sense of closure after the execution. 20% claimed that that it did not help them heal at all. In addition, They said they felt sympathy for the murderer's family members. Again, It just shows that the worst punishments, Are the ones that can't be taken back.

ARGUMENT 6: THE DEATH PENALTY IS MORALLY HYPORCRITICAL
Have you ever heard your mom say, "Two wrongs don't make a right, " Well here the death penalty is trying to do just that. It is an attempt to create a wrong in order to make another wrong right. It is essentially saying that it is right to kill those who kill. But wouldn't it be committing the same crime the killer did if we put them to death/ Don't you see, The ends don't justify the means.

In summary, The death penalty should be abolished. While at first glimpse it might seem that it only has an effect on the murderer themselves, But actually has a string of other negative effects that is hurting our society.

Sources used:
1. Https://www. Amnestyusa. Org/issues/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/the-death-penalty-and-deterrence/
2. Http://www. Latimes. Com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-death-penaty-dekraai-becerra-20170331-story. Html
3. Https://deathpenaltyinfo. Org/costs-death-penalty
4. Https://www. Newsweek. Com/one-25-executed-us-innocent-study-claims-248889
5. Https://thinkprogress. Org/how-it-feels-to-kill-62-people-963ff9f73afd/
6. Https://www. Psychologytoday. Com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201610/death-penalty-may-not-bring-peace-victims-families
FanboyMctroll

Con

Since 1791 our capital punishment methods have improved significantly since the old British methods of drawing and quartering or being pulled apart by horses or the Iron Maiden way. Today we usually use the lethal injection which is the most decent way for a deranged, Blood sucking, Torturing of victims, Serial killers. The people who are sentenced to a death penalty believe that the lethal injection is inhumane, When in fact it's the most common form of least invasive way to put a sick serial killer aka animal to death. (I personally would prefer a wood chipper, Turn them into hamburger)

I'm going to counter your arguments in my debate

Argument 1, Executioners suffer from PTSD. Maybe in the past, Today the kill switch is operated by 3 executioners so no one will know who injects the lethal dose, The firing squad has 3 shooters, Only one has a real bullet, The other 2 are blanks and the hanging is done by 3 levers pulled by 3 people. A vet would suffer more PTSD by euthanizing pets than an executioner. Argument 1 BUSTED

Argument 2 Innocent people are killed. Stats show us that only 1% of convicted innocent people are executed, I can live with that, That's 99% success rate, What other success rate without error does any type of business or institution have? McDonalds, You get your order 100% right every time? Doubt it, Argument 2 BUSTED on a 99% success rate

Argument 3 The Death Penalty is expensive. FALSE, The toxic lethal chemicals used are $49. 95, Plus a doctor to perform the autopsy. Compared to a lifetime of housing a sick deranged, Murderous criminal behind bars. Average inmate cost per year $69, 000/year times years spend inside. I personally would go with the $1. 99 Bleach for the executions way cheaper Argument 3 Busted

Argument 4 The death penalty does not deter crime (This is the main reason I wanted to reply on this debate. That's like saying water is not liquid) Once we kill the convict he can't get out, Reoffend, And every serial killer is terrified of the death penalty so they plea bargain to get a life sentence by showing where the bodies are. Look at previous cases of law.
Argument 4, Completely flawed and busted

Argument 5 The death penalty does not bring closure to the victims families. This one I will give you, The victim is gone forever, But at least the families can have justice knowing the sick bastard animal will never hurt another family or return to hurt other members of the family or anyone else. That is what I call closure and justice! Argument 5 I will give to my opponent

Argument 6 The death penalty is hypocritical? WTF When someone in your family is murdered and chopped up to pieces after being tortured, Raped and dissected, You will change your story than.

Sources used:

1. Dr. Fanboy Mctroll Behavioral Science PhD 1989 Thesis, Human Behavior
2 Dr. Fanboy Mctroll Behavioral Science PhD 1989 Thesis, Human Behavior
3 Dr. Fanboy Mctroll Behavioral Science PhD 1989 Thesis, Human Behavior
4 Dr. Fanboy Mctroll Behavioral Science PhD 1989 Thesis, Human Behavior
5 Dr. Fanboy Mctroll Behavioral Science PhD 1989 Thesis, Human Behavior
6 Dr. Fanboy Mctroll Behavioral Science PhD 1989 Thesis, Human Behavior
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Posted by FanboyMctroll 3 years ago
FanboyMctroll
That was an exception, Doctors have ironed out all the issues with lethal injections, Like MrPyro said, They actually inject you with a different drug first so the death is painless, It's no different that when a cat or dog is euthanized.
Posted by DeletedUser 3 years ago
DeletedUser
@Mypro. Sometimes however it isn't. One time Clayton Lockett suffered a 42 minute painful lethal injection death where he was choking and writhing on the floor in agony.
Posted by DeletedUser 3 years ago
DeletedUser
@Mypro. Sometimes however it isn't. One time Clayton Lockett suffered a 42 minute painful lethal injection death where he was choking and writhing on the floor in agony.
Posted by MrPyro 3 years ago
MrPyro
I would like to say that jackgilbert you are false in saying "All of these are slow painful processes". Lethal injection is neither slow nor is it painful. When a lethal injection is performed a drug is administered before the actual lethal dose that completely paralyzes the inmate making them feel no pain. As for how long it takes, After the lethal dose is injected it usually takes on average 7 minutes for all cardiac activity to stop.
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