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Should underage sex be illegal?

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Started: 9/2/2019 Category: Economics
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anc2006

Pro

I think so. Let's have a debate about it!
zapshe

Con

Make underage sex illegal? It already is, But in a way that accounts for the fact that people are animals which have an impulse for sex.

When you say you want it to be illegal, Do you mean even more so than it already is? If so, Then that's a definite bad thing. The law in the U. S. Has it illegal, And leaves the details to the states. Some are more lenient than others, Providing some years difference between the two to allow for "consent".

But let's say we do make it completely illegal. Someone who's 18 goes to jail for having sex with a girl who's 17? Would that be your ideal situation? While she screams that she loves him and that the sex was consensual, You'd drag the guy to jail? What about the other way around? The man is 17 and the woman was 18? We all have this bias that the girl is this delicate thing and that man is going to ravage the woman, But the opposite happens as well.

The laws as they are now are fine. If you're 18 and she's 16, You're in the clear. A two year difference in age isn't anything big. Drawing a hard line between who can have sex is just a bad decision.
Debate Round No. 1
anc2006

Pro

Sorry for not clarifying, But I mean that, Any sexual activities under 16 should be illegal, For example, If some 14 years olds are having sex and being caught, It would be breaking the law. This would be an addition to the recent law, Especially since our world is overpopulated, And since any female human that is after puberty can have eggs fertilized, They would simply create an unwanted lifeform as early as they are not even 13. Since the world is overpopulated, There should be less sexual intercourses to actually control it unforcefully.

And, Of course, Rape is illegal. I know.

Refutes:
"Make underage sex illegal? It already is, But in a way that accounts for the fact that people are animals which have an impulse for sex. "

Not me, Even as long as I know how it works, It is a waste of time and space.
check out some of my earlier debates for real.

https://www. Debate. Org/debates/The-only-logical-reason-to-have-sex-is-to-populate-the-world/1/
This explains that the only logical reason to have sex is to populate the world, And because of the world is already populated enough it should be limited, As that people under 16 having sex should be banished.
Of course you'd say this is limiting people's freedom, But here say: would you play video games for 48 hours or even higher sessions? No. If you can't limit the people at large, Limit the people that aren't supposed to do it, For example, Children.

Sure people used to steal casually, But here it is not. Same reasons. People always want possessions, But does that mean I have to give every single cent I have on my body, All the way to strip my body down to naked, Just because this is human instinct? I shouldn't, Neither should you.

So let's get this clear: sex is not necessary and young people we can limit to be abstinent, Both by law and education.

"But let's say we do make it completely illegal. Someone who's 18 goes to jail for having sex with a girl who's 17? Would that be your ideal situation? While she screams that she loves him and that the sex was consensual, You'd drag the guy to jail? "

Seriously, Is there no education for life-long abstinence? Education is better than law, And since teen pregnancy has causes a lot of problems, We should put it under law.

And so that, Not necessarily jail. By "illegal" it doesn't mean exactly "jail". If there are necessary actions lighter than jail but also get the job done, Then it is better. You don't go to jail for pronouncing "Arkansas" wrong. But here, If two young people are having sex, It is as if they are fighting with people, As it is harmful.

"Drawing a hard line between who can have sex is just a bad decision. "

It is not if education of such things didn't work.
zapshe

Con

"Any sexual activities under 16 should be illegal"

So 15 year old bangs another 15 year old and that would be illegal? Who would go to jail? A fine? Ruin their lives because they were horny teenagers?

"This explains that the only logical reason to have sex is to populate the world"

If that was the only reason, There wouldn't be birth control pills, Plan B, Abortion, And condoms. There are about a million other reasons to have sex. . Like the fact that it feels good. It's not about "logic" in the sense of what's the purpose of sex, But logic as in "why are they having sex? ".

"because of the world is already populated enough it should be limited, As that people under 16 having sex should be banished. "

Most pregnancies aren't by people under 16. They have many options including abortions at that age. Over population isn't a single person's fault, But that most people couples decide to have 2+ children.

"Of course you'd say this is limiting people's freedom, But here say: would you play video games for 48 hours or even higher sessions? No. "

. . . . Yes.

"If you can't limit the people at large, Limit the people that aren't supposed to do it, For example, Children. "

What? There's no reason to limit sex because sex doesn't equal pregnancy.

"Sure people used to steal casually, But here it is not. Same reasons. People always want possessions, But does that mean I have to give every single cent I have on my body, All the way to strip my body down to naked, Just because this is human instinct? I shouldn't, Neither should you. "

What are you even saying here?

"So let's get this clear: sex is not necessary and young people we can limit to be abstinent, Both by law and education. "

Let's also get this clear, Breathing is not necessary. Your continued survival on this Earth is NOT necessary. Why do you keep breathing? Because you want to live. Instinctively, We breath, Eat, Drink, Etc. , To live. The Earth would be a much kinder place to all other animals if we simply died. Therefore, Since it's not necessary to live, The argument could be made that we should all suicide. If you don't agree with this argument, Then you don't agree with your own argument.

You're saying since we don't HAVE to have sex, It should be limited. We also don't HAVE to breath, Don't have to have freedom, We don't HAVE to have freedom of speech, Etc. . These are things we do because we're human and we want to do them. Saying sex isn't "necessary" proves nothing because our rights aren't dependent on what's "necessary".

"Seriously, Is there no education for life-long abstinence? "

If you want to stay a virgin until you die, That's on you. Don't expect other people don't follow your own personal bias morality. People who believe in God think THEIR God is the one and only and should be followed - you don't see everyone one else praying to that God. It's your personal thing, Keep it to yourself. If you try to make a law out of it, What are you doing?

"And since teen pregnancy has causes a lot of problems, We should put it under law. "

Yes, Make it easier for teenagers to get condoms, Birth control, And abortions if needed. Also, Important to educate them about it before they get into it.

"It is not if education of such things didn't work. "

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Debate Round No. 2
anc2006

Pro

"So 15 year old bangs another 15 year old and that would be illegal? Who would go to jail? A fine? Ruin their lives because they were horny teenagers? "

As we are little, Our parents taught us to not steal, And not lie, And not waste money. All of them causes consequences. Underage sex too. 15 years olds having sex causes these problems:
Teen pregnancy
Money loss
bad relationships
negative influence

So this means, Teen sex is bad as gamble, But with body pleasure. If you'd like a child when you are 15 why don't you babysit and get little money to build up large amounts?

"If that was the only reason, There wouldn't be birth control pills, Plan B, Abortion, And condoms. There are about a million other reasons to have sex. . Like the fact that it feels good. It's not about "logic" in the sense of what's the purpose of sex, But logic as in "why are they having sex? ". "

Why people drink? Why they smoke pot? Why they go to strip club? None of them are rational. You could have sex with pleasures only, Let alone that is irresponsible. Any other reasons are illogical, And that is why we'd keep them away, Especially children. We'd keep them safe. That is also why in school students are not allowed to watch hentai as your grade will possibly drop and we don't want that, The teen sex problem is of the same margin, Because it may cause an unwanted baby and we don't want that.

"What? There's no reason to limit sex because sex doesn't equal pregnancy. "

it is too risky to not be pregnancy.

"Let's also get this clear, Breathing is not necessary. Your continued survival on this Earth is NOT necessary. Why do you keep breathing? Because you want to live. Instinctively, We breath, Eat, Drink, Etc. , To live. The Earth would be a much kinder place to all other animals if we simply died. Therefore, Since it's not necessary to live, The argument could be made that we should all suicide. If you don't agree with this argument, Then you don't agree with your own argument. "

No, Not at all. Breathing is to exchange oxygen with Co2, Which keeps you alive. We drink because our body needs water. We eat because our body needs nutrition. But are you saying that mankind can't live without sex? Cause that isn't how that works. Nikola Tesla and Newton are virgins for life and they still lived pretty good. Sex doesn't really do anything to our body as to the fundamentals.

"Yes, Make it easier for teenagers to get condoms, Birth control, And abortions if needed. Also, Important to educate them about it before they get into it. "

We should ban it straight through education, And if it doesn't work the law would do them some favor they didn't try to ask for. The fact is that condoms are not even supposed to be invented as that defeats the whole purpose to have sex: to populate the world. And abortion, It is just murder a newborn and not moral.
zapshe

Con

"15 years olds having sex causes these problems:
Teen pregnancy
Money loss
bad relationships
negative influence"

Sex is a basic human need actually. It's not "bad". If you want to talk about the "bad" things that can come from sex, There are bad things that can come from working (depression, Injuries), Relationships, Etc. . They're not bad or illegal, But can lead to negative consequences.

However, You still didn't answer the question. What punishment do you want for them having sex? What if it was protected sex? What if he pulled out? What if it was her safe day - or they used birth control?

"Why people drink? Why they smoke pot? Why they go to strip club? None of them are rational. "

It makes them feel good. But sex and drugs aren't the same thing. Eating feels good too, You wouldn't argue that's bad. Being complimented feels good, But there's no NEED for it, Right? These are HUMAN needs, The emotional aspects. Sex ISN'T bad.

"Any other reasons are illogical, And that is why we'd keep them away"

What are you? A robot? Don't sit there telling me stuff like this as if you've never made illogical decisions or thought with your heart before. If you've ever gotten angry, Happy, Sad, Etc. , You've just done something illogical. Get off the high horse, Realize laws are made with humanity in mind and not for robots.

"That is also why in school students are not allowed to watch hentai as your grade will possibly drop and we don't want that, The teen sex problem is of the same margin"

The hell are you even saying?

"it is too risky to not be pregnancy. "

Yes, God knows Condoms are way too God damn ineffective! Birth control? What a joke!

"No, Not at all. Breathing is to exchange oxygen with Co2, Which keeps you alive. We drink because our body needs water. We eat because our body needs nutrition. But are you saying that mankind can't live without sex? "

Are you saying living is a necessity for mankind? You missed the point. NOTHING is needed for anyone or anything. There's no greater purpose. If you want to LIVE, THEN there are things necessary for that outcome. If you want to live happily, EVEN MORE necessary things for that outcome. Sex is a basic human NEED to live happily and live healthy lives.

"Nikola Tesla and Newton are virgins for life and they still lived pretty good. Sex doesn't really do anything to our body as to the fundamentals. "

Wrong and wrong.

"We should ban it straight through education, And if it doesn't work the law would do them some favor they didn't try to ask for. The fact is that condoms are not even supposed to be invented as that defeats the whole purpose to have sex: to populate the world. And abortion, It is just murder a newborn and not moral. "

That's a different argument which is also wrong.
Debate Round No. 3
anc2006

Pro

"Sex is a basic human need actually. It's not "bad". If you want to talk about the "bad" things that can come from sex, There are bad things that can come from working (depression, Injuries), Relationships, Etc. . They're not bad or illegal, But can lead to negative consequences. "

Sex leads up to so many consequences that it is not just a human need anymore. There are sex 'addiction', Like marijuana and cocaine. Have you heard of sleeping addiction? Or breathing addiction? Or pooping addiction? There would not be such things because the definition of addiction is: "the fact or condition of being addicted to a particular substance, Thing, Or activity. "

Yes, Addiction is unnatural dependency upon one thing to be summarized, And since we all dependent on air, Sleep and waste removal, There are basically no actual addiction to it. Sex, On the other hand is not "dependent" for every human. Newton lived as long as he is with absolute no sex, And does he get any diseases from just not stick his genitals to the inside of a woman? No. On the contrary, There are STDs, Infections from intercourse. So, Give me a reason why sex is "necessary".

And because of this, And also because of that the young people are more vulnerable to this, Thus if a pair of 13 year old heterosexual teens are doing sex in a 2-in-a-day basis they would find themselves humping on the body like a machined minion, Not having any future except being a pornstar which is basically useless to the society.

Ok I take back, If you sniff too much pure oxygen, Or drink liters of waters nonstop, Or pooping until it hurts so bad, Then it counts as addiction. But do you breath because you think it smell good, Everyday? Do you drink water because it is tasty, Not because your body needs hydration? Do you poop because it gives something like an orgasm? No. That would be drifting away from its purpose, Like having sex for pleasure instead of actual reproduction. Because teens simply have no financial support or enough experience(even if just in words) to raise a child, And because the original purpose of sex is basically giving birth to a child, And teens are not really capable of doing that, And since sex could develop addiction thus eventually the girl will end up pregnant and not getting away with this, We should cut it off from the start to consider pure abstinence in education and law if that really doesn't work.

Notice I just argued your several points during this.

Argue: If I am 13 and the state law is that only 16 years old or above should work in the factories and I want to work there, Should I work there now? No. The law is according to the people, The same reason why robbing is illegal. Because 13 year old developing organs can't pretty much support the environment inside the factory. This is the very reason why teen pregnancy is an issue: they can't possibly handle that, And on top of that there are overpopulation.

"However, You still didn't answer the question. What punishment do you want for them having sex? What if it was protected sex? What if he pulled out? What if it was her safe day - or they used birth control? "

I'd say, Punishment in the same way of when the 15 year old smoke weed, But half the severity, Because reasons are clear. And because protected sex will eventually go to unprotected sex due to the intensity of the sex addiction being harder, Thus they can't get away with it eventually. And birth control is useless consider if you wanted to have baby you do sex, And if you don't that is sex abuse. Why can't I punish the teens where they heavily abuse sex?

"What are you? A robot? Don't sit there telling me stuff like this as if you've never made illogical decisions or thought with your heart before. If you've ever gotten angry, Happy, Sad, Etc. , You've just done something illogical. Get off the high horse, Realize laws are made with humanity in mind and not for robots. "

I can smoke weed, I can rob the British queen, I can kill my friends, But I don't do that. I can do that but it is illogical. Sex has consequences. The most heavy one: they can't handle what's having next. A baby. There are a lot of stories where girls got left because their parent produced her by pleasure-only sex.

"Yes, God knows Condoms are way too God damn ineffective! Birth control? What a joke! "

No. Using these things are just an excuse to get away with it. Let's say Jake smokes weed and he is under treatment of the same thing so he will be not discovered, But because smoking weed is illegal, Thus he can't. Doing these things are just hiding the truth of sex abuse. There are men who still abuse drugs after enough education of drug-free knowledge, Like people having irresponsible sex even after middle school appropriate sex ed.

"Sex is a basic human NEED to live happily and live healthy lives. "

Newton. Tesla. A lot of other people disagreed. I did argue this.

Done: summarize. Because teen sex is merely abuse knowing they wouldn't want a child they can't leave, Thus it should be illegal.
zapshe

Con

"Sex leads up to so many consequences that it is not just a human need anymore. "

And living means that you'll die. And drinking water means you might choke and die. And having sex for children might lead to a defective child or still-born. Rubbing your eyes might lead to pink eye. The list goes on.

What you're doing is similar to the alcohol ban. Laws SHOULDN'T be based one 100% pure BS like this. If you make a law that you KNOW people will break, That law is worthless. If you make sex like that illegal, That's not going to stop the sex. What you need to do is make it easier for them to acquire knowledge about sex/STDs and be able to have access to contraceptions.

"Newton. Tesla. A lot of other people disagreed. I did argue this. "

They didn't. Even if they did, It would have no bearing on whether or not it was right or wrong - or whether their opinions are what should be put into law.

"Done: summarize. Because teen sex is merely abuse knowing they wouldn't want a child they can't leave, Thus it should be illegal. "

Again, Sex doesn't equal pregnancy. Most sex that happens doesn't lead to pregnancy.

I didn't read most of what you said because they seemed like they'd be pointless details.
Debate Round No. 4
anc2006

Pro

"And living means that you'll die. And drinking water means you might choke and die. And having sex for children might lead to a defective child or still-born. Rubbing your eyes might lead to pink eye. The list goes on. "

Well if this is the whole pattern then we should legalize all drugs. If water is choked and poisoned then the most is to go to a doctor with at most 150$ and no serious problem. If a teen caused a birth of children, They are pretty much being irresponsible, And having a children while still being at school will cause a lack of complete education, Causing to not have enough money to actually raise a baby, And thus leaving the baby abandoned and homeless(or orphanage, But there are not a lot of them).

Especially we don't want children to die. The baby created accidentally would be more likely to be abandoned than one of a dedicated children born by an adult. So even if it didn't cause overpopulation, It would have increased the ratio of abandoned children anyways. I can smoke marijuana all day 24/7 and abandon my works, And I would be punished. Unless they are actually wanting a children they don't want to leave, Which is almost impossible. They are not doing something they are capable to do.

"What you're doing is similar to the alcohol ban. Laws SHOULDN'T be based one 100% pure BS like this. If you make a law that you KNOW people will break, That law is worthless. If you make sex like that illegal, That's not going to stop the sex. What you need to do is make it easier for them to acquire knowledge about sex/STDs and be able to have access to contraceptions. "

Laws are there in case education is not working. Even with enough sex ed, Some people will still go around town raping women. Don't expect they learn to not smoke right away. If they are going to smoke after it would be the responsibility of the law's, Not the education's. And yes, There should be an improved sex ed curriculum.

"They didn't. Even if they did, It would have no bearing on whether or not it was right or wrong - or whether their opinions are what should be put into law. "

Even then it is not proven how or why sex is a basic human need. Clearly it is not. Saying how important sex is, It is basically as important as drinking wine. You can do it and a lot pf people do it, But that doesn't make it necessary.

"Again, Sex doesn't equal pregnancy. Most sex that happens doesn't lead to pregnancy. "

Sex gives pleasure, And with this pleasure most teens would do that again, Thus rubbing throughly more and more and more times, Eventually that they are pregnant and have an unwanted child having consequences.

the only reason sex gives pleasure is because when we are underpopulated pleasure help us to be more efficient every year with more people. Today sex is misused. You do sex, You expect a pregnancy. It is that simple.

"I didn't read most of what you said because they seemed like they'd be pointless details. "

Then you missed out the reasons why they aren't even ready to do it yet. For example if I am 9 and I like politics, But even then I can't vote, Nor can I fly a commercial aircraft even if I am interested to do so. Have a great time.

argument done.
zapshe

Con

"not have enough money to actually raise a baby, And thus leaving the baby abandoned and homeless"

It's called abortion. It's also called Condoms and Birth Control. Then there's Plan B. Your argument stems from a fallacy that when they have sex, Someone is going to get pregnant. I've never seen that ever happen and half my school was banging on a daily basis.

"Especially we don't want children to die. "

*You*

"Even then it is not proven how or why sex is a basic human need. Clearly it is not. "

It is. Sexual frustration can cause psychological problems. Look up Maslow's Theory of Hierarchy.

"the only reason sex gives pleasure is because when we are underpopulated pleasure help us to be more efficient every year with more people. Today sex is misused. You do sex, You expect a pregnancy. It is that simple. "

How did you even form these words? Sex only feels good when the population is small? Is that what you said? And how is sex "misused"? That's like saying creating metal is misusing nature because metal doesn't come naturally. And no, You don't expect pregnancy from sex. You expect pregnancy from unprotected sex where the male ejaculates inside the female. It is that simple.

"Then you missed out the reasons why they aren't even ready to do it yet. "

Trust me, I didn't miss anything important.

Argument Done.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by zapshe 1 week ago
zapshe
"Because we don't currently don't know the full potential of clonesque DNA works, Thus it's worse than natural sex! That is what you said. "

The nature of cloning is that you have the same DNA. If you make something with tweaked DNA, That's no longer cloning but rather genetic engineering. Know what you're talking about.

"I don't force people to abandon pleasure-only sex. "

Yes you are. You're saying to get it away from teenagers as if they're having sex for some other reason.

"But even then it doesn't mean the major use for sex is pleasure and not reproduction. "

So you get married. You have a child. Great. You stay with a single child for 3 years. Did you only have sex once in 3 years?

Let's say you go to the bar and pick up a chick. You're trying to get her pregnant?

MOST SEX IS PLEASURE ONLY. There's no debating that.

"Why would you do safe sex all of sudden if you are a teen inside of sex ed class? "

When you're horny, You feel good, Head isn't the most functional part of you. Sex Ed will tell you that pregnancy can occur and STDs may be caught. Suddenly, Having safer sex seems like a good idea so that you don't ruin your life. Risk-Reward ratio. It's that simple.

"Sci-fi, To be exact, It is a possibility of humanity in the future. And what, Watching sci-fi is bad for us? "

Not bad for "us" but probably bad for you.
Posted by anc2006 1 week ago
anc2006
"How did you get that from what I wrote? "

Because we don't currently don't know the full potential of clonesque DNA works, Thus it's worse than natural sex! That is what you said.

"No. Not even close. The vast majority use sex for pleasure. "

I said, PRIMARY and MAJOR. I don't force people to abandon pleasure-only sex. But even then it doesn't mean the major use for sex is pleasure and not reproduction.

" However, Get a teenager, Teach them how to have safe sex and the consequences, And they'll do it. "

You've made the same mistake I've made earlier. Stereotypes. Why would you do safe sex all of sudden if you are a teen inside of sex ed class? Why wouldn't 9-year-olds not want to know about piloting a plane or how the stock market works? Sure there are outliers but that doesn't mean we shouldn't prepare for it. And even then, Not even half of the people would do "safe sex(which goes against the laws of nature, You didn't refute that)" if they are taught it.

"I think you've watched to many movies. "

Sci-fi, To be exact, It is a possibility of humanity in the future. And what, Watching sci-fi is bad for us?
Posted by zapshe 1 week ago
zapshe
"You said something like"

I didn't. I don't even know what you were talking about.

"Because I can't play mario party 9, Thus mario 9 is bad! This is the logic. "

How did you get that from what I wrote?

"The major use of sex is reproduction, And pleasure is at most secondary"

No. Not even close. The vast majority use sex for pleasure.

"According to descriptions, It is painful for me. "

Congratz. It's called foreplay. Whoever is trying to stick it in dry is trying to get road burn.

"You might as well let 9 year olds operate the finance, Fly commercial jets, And be candidates of the vice-president"

There's a difference between capability and responsibility. Nine year olds are capable of walking, Talking, Playing, Eating, Clothing themselves, Etc. . . If you tried to teach them finances and jets, They wouldn't have the capacity for it. However, Get a teenager, Teach them how to have safe sex and the consequences, And they'll do it. I don't know many people who would purposefully try to ruin their lives.

"Cloning isn't the best thing ever, But something will be more efficient. "

I think you've watched to many movies.

I'm done debating, It's going no where and half your points don't make logical sense.
Posted by anc2006 1 week ago
anc2006
"If someone wants to have sex, Let them, The current laws are fine. If they don't want to, That's fine to. But saying YOU THINK people shouldn't therefore they shouldn't is bad logic. "

You might as well let 9 year olds operate the finance, Fly commercial jets, And be candidates of the vice-president, Something they aren't capable of doing. Even if they have the desire of doing so. Sex is this: you are expecting a baby that you aren't even supposed to have, Since underaged sexual subjects are most likely in school. In school they aren't supposed to have other vital attentions other than school, So if you get pregnant in 8th grade, You will most likely not do so good in school, Causing you to not go to a good high school and college, Causing you being broke, Causing the baby to be homeless likely than ever. You are just going to legalize something this risky?

"This is why sex is the favored evolutionary trait when it comes to reproduction. It isn't going anywhere, And you'd be perverse to say it would be replaced at some point. "

People used to walk for 100, 000 years or more, But here we have cars, Trains, Planes and more. We used to deliver letters via horse carriages for 4, 000 years, But here we have Ups, Gmail and Whatsapp. We used to calculate by hand, But here we have calculators and computers. Easy. Those things are what nature made for us, And we enhanced it. Cloning isn't the best thing ever, But something will be more efficient.
Posted by anc2006 1 week ago
anc2006
Points again:
1. Sex is supposed to be for reproduction. You said something like, Hey, Pain killer is prescribed, But you were told that pain killer will be harmful with no pain, But another medicine taken to treat the pain killer would make PK be harmless with no pain, Acting like a drug. Instead why do we consume sex-the pain killer, With no pain on body whatsoever, Rather than to actually consume it with a pain trace of pain?

"No. When life first began, It wasn't sexual reproduction. There's a reason evolution and survival of the fittest made for most life reproducing sexually - it's an ADVANTAGE. If you reproduce asexually or "clone" yourself, You haven't changed the DNA. Viruses and bacteria can easily mutate to be able to target you. However, Giving birth to offspring with a mixture of the DNA of two organisms allows for a new random combination of genes, Making them less susceptible to viruses and bacteria. "

Oh yeah, Because I can't play mario party 9, Thus mario 9 is bad! This is the logic. We don't clone humans because our technology is not advanced enough. Parents can literally edit the baby's genetics through DNA, If the technology is advanced enough. I don't want a world where everyone is the same, Nor one with teens recklessly doing sex.

"Not only that, But there are MANY solutions that allow sex to be safe. Condoms, Birth Control, Plan B, Abortions, Hardcore pull-out game. "

There are solutions to help doing something that isn't even intended, Or even, These "solutions" is the polar opposite of what it is supposed to do. The major use of sex is reproduction, And pleasure is at most secondary.

"Sex is painful. . . But you haven't had sex. I think there's an issue with your logic there. "

According to descriptions, It is painful for me.
Posted by zapshe 1 week ago
zapshe
I don't even wanna respond to all those ugly points, So here's something for you:

"Later in humanity we don't even need sex. We just need clone. Sex only exists because there are no better solution. "

No. When life first began, It wasn't sexual reproduction. There's a reason evolution and survival of the fittest made for most life reproducing sexually - it's an ADVANTAGE. If you reproduce asexually or "clone" yourself, You haven't changed the DNA. Viruses and bacteria can easily mutate to be able to target you. However, Giving birth to offspring with a mixture of the DNA of two organisms allows for a new random combination of genes, Making them less susceptible to viruses and bacteria.

This is why sex is the favored evolutionary trait when it comes to reproduction. It isn't going anywhere, And you'd be perverse to say it would be replaced at some point.

Next, Sex doesn't have to be irresponsible. Some people own guns, A few percentage of those people end up killing innocent people. Should the rest of the flock not own guns? Many people have computers, Some people use them to cause trouble by hacking into sites/databases, Should no one own a computer?

Not only that, But there are MANY solutions that allow sex to be safe. Condoms, Birth Control, Plan B, Abortions, Hardcore pull-out game.

"Conclusion: Because teens aren't capable of raising a baby, And sex makes babies, Thus teen sex should be banned. "

You don't know that teens aren't capable of raising a baby. You also don't know that adults are capable of raising babies. And sex doesn't make babies if you take even a hint of precaution.

"And to me, Sex is painful. That is why I am a virgin. "

Sex is painful. . . But you haven't had sex. I think there's an issue with your logic there.

If someone wants to have sex, Let them, The current laws are fine. If they don't want to, That's fine to. But saying YOU THINK people shouldn't therefore they shouldn't is bad logic.
Posted by anc2006 1 week ago
anc2006
And to me, Sex is painful. That is why I am a virgin.
Posted by anc2006 1 week ago
anc2006
"Or are we trying to find outliers in order to try and make a point that doesn't apply to 99% of people? Even people in poor countries who struggle to eat will have sex. In fact, It's an escape through pleasure. "

Most people do it, Let alone, They are adults. Adults do it doesn't mean teens doing it should be legal.

I refer to my initial claim:
1. Sex is like a pain killer.
2. Teens are not able to raise a children
3. Sex have a basis of making children

Conclusion: Because teens aren't capable of raising a baby, And sex makes babies, Thus teen sex should be banned.

I ask you about Maslow's hierachy: if sex is a basic human need, Why don't we do it since we are able to speak? Why do most people don't do it until they are over 16? Try to survive 16 year with no air. No you will die. Try to survive 16 years with no food. You will die too. Try to survive 16 years with no sex. Of yeah, Unless you commit suicide you will most likely to live, Because there are no significant physical reaction to a lack of sex.

I know many people do sex, But that doesn't mean everybody should do it. And using your logic Newton must be a failure, When he clearly isn't. Clearly sex at pleasure level is a waste of time, And newton made the time useful instead by investigating math and physics. Which one is more useful to the society.
Posted by anc2006 1 week ago
anc2006
Several points:
1. Hair is useless, But not as useless as irresponsible sex. Hair can decompose and make something later but sex? Not even that. What comes and goes it is.

"No, If that's the intended purpose when using the metal, How could it be misused? The universe didn't make metal have some kind of higher purpose. It's just metal. Its use case depends on the user - like everything else in the world. "

We depend on the nature, And when we use it to destruct it we are misusing it. You are saying as if you live on an intelligence base on mars. While teens depends on school marks and their own behaviour, Having a baby would be the misuse of sex at that age.

"Therefore, If I say the purpose of sex (for me anyway) is pleasure, There's no argument you could use to say I'm wrong. "

You are not wrong--------It is one purpose of sex to let us keep reproducing incase the population is low, But even then it is not as major as to make babies themselves.

"What? Is there orgasm-free sex now? Is that a thing? "

Later in humanity we don't even need sex. We just need clone. Sex only exists because there are no better solution.

"Doesn't stop it from feeling good. "

Doesn't stop the possibility of it being irresponsible.

"No, There's evidence. Only when the needs on Maslow's Hierarchy were achieved did science actually flourish. Unlike you, What I'm talking about has evidence. "

I have 5 full arguments of why sex isn't a basic human need from the start and I can prove to you anywhere anytime possible. Saying this to me is like saying god is a pail of garbage. It is that ridiculous. Sex at least should be put in the 2nd lowest layer, Instead of the base.

"Or are we trying to find outliers in order to try and make a point that doesn't apply to 99% of people? Even people in poor countries who struggle to eat will have sex. In fact, It's an escape through pleasure. "

Oh yeah, 70% of the students hate school, So me loving education is a sin! That is that r
Posted by zapshe 1 week ago
zapshe
"Sex is meant to be unprotected, Meaning you really are supposed to expect a baby. "

This is saying sex has a purpose beyond us. Sex is something which came out of evolution, Not because nature thought of it but because it works. Think of it as an AI playing a level of Mario a thousand times before actually being able to beat it every time. It's not winning because it figured out how to play Mario, It can beat it because anything that keeps it alive the longest it'll continue to do. Same with life, Sex is an evolutionary trait.

Now, Even if there was some kind of divine purpose bestowed upon sex, Why do we have to be bound by it? There's a purpose to a lot of things we make, But then end up using it differently for convenience. We're not BOUND by "purposes" because those are human constructs. Again, Sex doesn't have a purpose in the way we think of it. Sex is something which allowed the progression of species by having continuous DNA changes which allowed species to get away from dying from bacteria and viruses. It has a purpose when we apply an end goal. Therefore, If I say the purpose of sex (for me anyway) is pleasure, There's no argument you could use to say I'm wrong.
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