The Instigator
Coo72kie
Pro (for)
The Contender
YakovF
Con (against)

Socialism should be implemented into today's United States Government.

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Started: 3/8/2018 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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Coo72kie

Pro

First of all I want to inform everybody about to read this what the definition of socialism is. Kimberly Amadeo says in their article titled, 'Socialism: Characteristics, Pros, Cons, Examples and Types', "Socialism is an economic system where everyone in the society equally owns the factors of production. The ownership is usually through a democratically-elected government." (Amadeo). What this means to you I will let you decide. Now on to my reasons.

First, Socialism has been very beneficial and positive in many areas of the world. James Holloman gives a good example of this in his Quota question, 'Is Socialism a good thing? Why do people dislike Bernie Sanders For His Views?'. He states, There are a number of very successful social democracies among the developed nations. They have mixed economies where necessities for basic existence are all social programs provided in some way by government and manufacturing, retail and wholesale sales, plus most services are provided by private enterprise. I say this works well because Scandinavia and Northern Europe have such systems in place and they tend to rank at the top in happiness studies, low public debt, high per-capita GDP. excellent health care outcomes, and low health care costs. It may surprise some to learn that the USA ranks below most of those countries in percentage of billionaires per capita." (Holloman). He explains that there have been several countries that have flourished under a socialist government. These countries have have very high numbers in their happiness rating, their per-capita GDP, Health care. They also have low numbers in health care costs, and public debt. An example of a country that Holloman did not take note of is Canada. They have done amazing under their socialist government. Other counties that were not talked about here are, China, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, and Belgium.

Socialism has been labeled a bad name through American History. Holloman also stated this in his writing, "American capitalist had strong interests in getting the USA into the war to protect trade routes and access to energy. Some socialists, particularly a former presidential candidate, Eugene V. Debs suggested that if the capitalists wanted a war, they should go fight it. He told the members of the unions he led not to join the war effort. For this, he was imprisoned. Debs' threats of pitting worker interests against those of capitalist owners led the later to begin an organized campaign to demonize him and the socialism he stood for." (Holloman). Socialism was labeled as a terrible government ideology since before WW1 (1914). This was only because the main follower of this ideology was targeted and attacked for his Socialist beliefs. Also, this was over 100 years ago even if socialism wasn't a good ideology for the time, America has changed so much that the old reasons to not use socialism are now irrelevant.

Now I won't make this entry completely biased so there are some cons to Socialism. Kimberly Amareo states the pros and cons of a Socialism driven government,

"Advantages

Workers are no longer exploited, since they own the means of production. All profits are spread equitably among all workers, according to his or her contribution. The cooperative system realizes that even those who can't work must have their basic needs met, for the good of the whole.

That means poverty is eliminated and everyone has equal access to health care and education.

No one is discriminated against.

Everyone works at what they are best at and what they enjoy. If society needs jobs to be done that no one wants, It offers higher compensation to make it worthwhile.

Natural resources are preserved, again for the good of the whole.

Disadvantages

The biggest disadvantage of socialism is that it relies on the cooperative nature of humans to work. Therefore, those within society who are competitive, not cooperative, will always seek to overthrow and disrupt it for their own gain.

A second related criticism is that it doesn't reward people for being entrepreneurial and competitive. Therefore, it won't be as innovative as a capitalistic society.

A third possibility is that the government set up to represent the masses may abuse its position and claim power for itself. " (Amareo). As you can see, there are many good pros and cons to decide on whether or not Socialism is an acceptable and/or good form of government.

Socialist governments have been found to work well all over the world in countries big and small, sophisticated and simple. Socialism has been given a bad name throughout the American history so, why is it still labeled that way although it has never been considered deeply until the election in 2016? There would be no poverty, there would be health care for all and education for all. Finally, Socialist beliefs and issues will help to preserve many natural resources. Socialism needs to be given a chance and would greatly give a positive effect on our government.
YakovF

Con

All those countries you listed that are socialist, are not socialist countries.
Not Canada. Not Denmark. Not Finland. Not Sweden. Not any of them, except MAYBE China. Sources:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca...
https://www.quora.com...
https://blog.genoppinstitute.org...

Real socialist countries are countries like Venezuela, and the U.S.S.R. How did that turn out for them?
Venezuela: http://www.businessinsider.com...
U.S.S.R.: That would be a whole entire history lesson. It can't even summed up nearly on how terrible it was.

Since Venezuela is the only true socialist country alive right now, that's the one we will be comparing to.

You mentioned one of the advantages is that there is no discrimination, and it's just not true. No matter where you are, you will always have some sort of discrimination. But maybe less in socialism? No. In Venezuela there is literally only 2 classes, and it's super divided. The super rich, and the dirt poor. Discrimination is a big problem.
Sources:
https://www.hrw.org...
https://www.voanews.com...

You also mention how everybody has equal access to health care. Look at Venezuela
https://en.wikipedia.org...

You mention poverty would be eliminated, but that just isn't true. You can't avoid poverty no matter what. You just can't. Also let's look at Venezuela. Nope! My sources are the sources above

"Everyone works at what they are best at and what they enjoy. If society needs jobs to be done that no one wants, It offers higher compensation to make it worthwhile." - You
No. That's just a rule of life in generally. Not socialism.

"Natural resources are preserved, again for the good of the whole."
Where did this one come from? This has nothing to do with socialism

Really socialism just screws the country over. Also,

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Posted by Telsa 3 years ago
Telsa
Wow sorry about that looks like it took me serious would I hit the post button multiple times.
Posted by Telsa 3 years ago
Telsa
Socialism and communism are completely different things. Not to mention, the ideas of planned economies and free market economies. Denmark is a socialist country that runs a free market platform by what is commonly known as social market capitalism. You could think of this as egalitarian economic practices that aim to ameliorate the social problems caused by capitalism, primarily inequity.
Posted by Telsa 3 years ago
Telsa
Socialism and communism are completely different things. Not to mention, the ideas of planned economies and free market economies. Denmark is a socialist country that runs a free market platform by what is commonly known as social market capitalism. You could think of this as egalitarian economic practices that aim to ameliorate the social problems caused by capitalism, primarily inequity.
Posted by Telsa 3 years ago
Telsa
Socialism and communism are completely different things. Not to mention, the ideas of planned economies and free market economies. Denmark is a socialist country that runs a free market platform by what is commonly known as social market capitalism.
Posted by Telsa 3 years ago
Telsa
Socialism and communism are completely different things. Not to mention, the ideas of planned economies and free market economies. Denmark is a socialist country that runs a free market platform by what is commonly known as social market capitalism.
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