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Soviet Russia was better than Imperial Russia

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/3/2018 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 months ago Status: Debating Period
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Tracer11

Pro

I will state my reasons in the later rounds.
Debate Round No. 1
Tracer11

Pro

Well i think that Soviet Russia was far better than Imperial Russia, my first reason is that the Soviet Union had the fastest growing GDP rate ever recorded and it became a world super power after only several years and challenged the USA which had been around for over 200 years.
ABC123TT

Con

Soviet Union acheived glory by slave labor
The GDP increased because of immense inflation
Debate Round No. 2
Tracer11

Pro

Lenin saved Russia from collapse, after WW1 Russia was in ruins. Also the Soviet Union did not use "slavery" it had a Communist government so everyone had to share what they worked for, so no they did not use slavery but did have there citizens work extra hard for everyones benefit.
ABC123TT

Con

They forced them to work or go to a gulag. People seem to work better when they work for themselves not others. Russia was not going to collapse. A new government was inevitable but Soviet Union did not make things any better for for average Russian.
Debate Round No. 3
Tracer11

Pro

the Soviet Union did make it better for the average Russian, and you even said it your self "A new government was inevitable" and Stalin made people go in gulags because they did not like his rule, and yes Russia was going to collapse, the government was close to bankrupt and had little amounts of money and if the Soviet Union did not over through Russia's Monarchy than after WW2 Russia would be gone and the allies might have even lost the war.
ABC123TT

Con

You are being hypocritical. If a new government is inevitable then Tsar Nicholas would have been replaced anyway. the Russians could have had many different types of goverments but they choose communism. Communism was even worse than Nazism. Many people in Ukraine joined the SS even though that had been under Soviet propaganda for decades. Recently Russia gave the Tsar Ivan the terrible ruler was even given a statue. People in Russia are taking down Lenin statues the amount of executions in Soviet Russia was much more and freedoms have been shown to be signifigantly less.
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by judaism 5 months ago
judaism
ABC123TT

No, there are no differences between how we view poor people and they do in Russia.
Posted by Tracer11 5 months ago
Tracer11
Sry i missed the final debate round... i was busy =(
Posted by ABC123TT 5 months ago
ABC123TT
In Russia there are different standards of what is poor or not.
Posted by judaism 5 months ago
judaism
ABC123TT

You don't understand, my mom grew up in Soviet Russia, she wasn't poor. I live in America, people are poor. It's a dog eat dog system here. Have you read anything on Marx? Why the bias?

Russia sided with Hitler for a while so they could have the time to prop up a defense. HadStalin not done that, Hitler would have ran through Moscow, then all those German boys in uniform would have launched on Britain and American troops when they got here. Almost half the German army was dealing with the Soviets on D-Day, imagine if that weren't so? How successful would America have been going forward? You must read some history first. Russia saved the war for us all!

Yes, there were some evils done, and Soviet Russia wasn't a true Communist state (the only true Communist state is a world Communist state), nevertheless, the last pope once said (let me remind you that he was a religious man) that secular Communism is superior to secular Capitalism. By the way, we're no longer a Capitalist nation here in the US, it's all socialism, thanks to Obama. Capitalism is over, its run its course, there's a huge Communist party in the states, and for good reason.
Posted by ABC123TT 5 months ago
ABC123TT
To drive my point home Soviet Russia still made the average Russian poor and restricted their freedoms. Soviet Russia was just as bad as Imperial Russia.
Posted by ABC123TT 5 months ago
ABC123TT
"Is communism evil? No. Marx was poor his whole life, he only cared for his fellow poor."The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Communism ended up giving the government all the power and money.
" Russia took the brunt of Hitler's attack in WWII. They won us the war, without their help, Hitler might have ran through all Europe. Also, Stalin was never his alley, he only bought for time."
If Soviets did not help Germany germany would have to take over all of Poland and France would have more time to get ready and Germans would not have enough fuel to blitzkrieg the ways they did because Soviets signed a pact where they split Poland shortening the war with them. Soviet Union also gave large amounts of oil to Germany to fuel its rampage. Germany depended on Russia until it captured major Balkan and Greecia oil fields such as Ploesti
Posted by ABC123TT 5 months ago
ABC123TT
I am capatalist. Germany got huge amounts of oil for the conquest of France from the Soviet Union
Posted by judaism 5 months ago
judaism
ABC123TT

Russia took the brunt of Hitler's attack in WWII. They won us the war, without their help, Hitler might have ran through all Europe. Also, Stalin was never his alley, he only bought for time.

Is communism evil? No. Marx was poor his whole life, he only cared for his fellow poor. He wrote up his system to help them. Capitalism, by default, is all for the rich. It's just a necessary evil.

Is Communism worse than Fascism? If you're a Nazi, yes. If you're not a Nazi. . . you've got to be kidding me.
Posted by ABC123TT 5 months ago
ABC123TT
Soviets did not overthrow the Tsars . Social Democrats did. Many people needed to decide what government they wanted and they choose communism.This replaced the Great War with the huge Russian Civil War. The Allies did not need Russia they won the wat a year after the revolution. Plus the Germans sent Lenin to Russia to ruin the war effort
Posted by ABC123TT 5 months ago
ABC123TT
People are taking down Lenin statues all over the world including Russia
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