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thinmint
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CX_Kathleen
Con (against)

Stuart Little would beat Remy from Ratatouille in a fight. Change my mind.

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Started: 3/12/2018 Category: Entertainment
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thinmint

Pro

Stuart Little has technical know-how that Remy couldn't dream of. Stuart can operate a sailboat, a motor vehicle, and a plane. Remy can cook, and even that can't be efficiently done without the use of a human marionette.
CX_Kathleen

Con

While you seem to make a fair point about Stuart Little's abilities, it seems noteworthy that, canon to the book, Stuart's parents were both human, so really he had an unfair advantage over Remy. However, Stuart would not beat Remy in a fight.

First: With the skills Remy has, he could sniff out Stuart before Stuart even got there. He can smell literally every ingredient in food, can smell where his human friend is, and also has the ability to control humans by adopting them as puppets. All he has to do to win is scurry up someone's arm and pull their hair a little, and Stuart wouldn't stand a chance. This brings us to my second point.

Second: With the skill of cooking comes the skill of knife-wielding. Yes, knife-wielding rats would seem like a far-fetched thing, but these are fictional characters we're talking about, so that doesn't really matter, does it? We see in the film that Remy would pick up a cheese knife to defend himself. He would have no problem using that knife on a smaller animal than him because he is, after all, still a rat no matter how you want to look at it.

Third: Stuart has no interest in hurting people. We see in the book AND the film, he does everything possible to avoid harming anyone. This also plays in to how he would no, in fact, win the fight. Also, Remy is BIGGER than Stuart, because Remy is a rat, so even without weapons, in a fur-on-fur battle, Remy would be victorious.

In summation: Remy has the ability to control at least one human, Remy is the only one of them actually proved to be able to wield a knife, and Stuart would have no interest in fighting back. Remy would most certainly win in a fight when pitted against Stuart Little. Besides, what does the ability to sail a boat have to do with fighting? Sailing a toy boat would not be a useful skill in a battle with Stuart's larger, stronger, more skilled cousin.
Debate Round No. 1
thinmint

Pro

I will address your arguments individually.

First: Remy's remarkable sense of smell would be rendered useless, unless it were for sniffing out a poison-dipped knife/projectile, which would be a cheap move that is below Stuart Little. With regards to Remy's puppetry, as evidenced in the 2007 film Ratatouille, Linguini is in fact capable of over-riding Remy's control, like when he chooses to follow Colette's instructions instead of allowing Remy to do his culinary experiments as usual. This implies that the hair-control has to be consensual, and in the case that Linguini is unavailable (out of the country, busy running a restaurant, making love to Colette, etc.), Remy would be forced to find another willing host in order to even stand a chance.

Second: While Remy did brandish a cheese knife in self defense, I doubt he has the strength to wield it in any way that could cause Stuart Little harm. Seeing as Remy struggled to lift a decently sized omelette with a spatula, it's hard to imagine him forcefully throwing it around and hitting Staurt's smaller frame, especially if he's piloting a boat/car/plane.

Third: While it is true that Stuart Little is a peaceful creature and would prefer to find nonviolent solutions when possible, he does what he has to do. In the 2002 film Stuart Little 2, during the final confrontation with Falcon, Stuart initially tries to simply evade him in his plane, not out of cowardice, but to protect Margolo (his cross-species love interest) from harms way. When it becomes evident that they can't outrun Falcon, Stuart determinedly says, "Then we'll just have to face him." He is not afraid to do what has to be done. When battling to the death, or for the honor of a loved one, Stuart would not hold back.

In summation: When the stakes are high, Stuart would pour his little heart out, holding nothing back. Additionally, Remy's strength relies on him having a healthy human host wiling to be controlled by a rodent. Also, Remy had a hard time swimming, let alone staying afloat in the sewers. So if Stuart were to somehow throw Remy overboard, he could simply watch his larger, stronger, more skilled cousin drown from his luxury toy sailboat.
CX_Kathleen

Con

To answer the question of Remy's sense of smell and "cheap moves": Remy would be able to tell if Stuart Little was coming. Most animals have an excellent sense of smell, and can tell when another animal is in their vicinity (see https://www.orkin.com... https://www.terminix.com... ). Rats especially have an acute sense of smell similar to that of blood hounds.
Also, I have noted a logical issue in your speech. In your first point, you stated that: "Remy's remarkable sense of smell would be rendered useless, unless it were for sniffing out a poison-dipped knife/projectile, which would be a cheap move that is below Stuart Little." However, later on you stated in your third point that: "He is not afraid to do what has to be done. When battling to the death, or for the honor of a loved one, Stuart would not hold back." This sugests that, whe push comes to shove, nothing is below Stuart Little because he would have to do it to prevent injury to a loved one. A small mistake in your reasoning, but still a mistake. However, my evidence provided overcomes your claims of Remy's sense off smell being useless in this respect.

Now, on to answering your other arguments:

First: According to the canon world of Ratatouille, rats can bite through steel, cinder blocks, and many other materials (see "Your Friend The Rat" ) which the said plane or boat would be made of, meaning that if Remy got on board the toy boat or toy plane, he would easily take them down with only his teeth. Because of this, Remy wouldn't even need Linguine to be there to help him. This is, of course, referring to your first argument.

On the point of Linguine: He had to struggle quite a bit to be able to resist Remy, meaning that Remy had some control over him still. And Linguine still did the action Remy was making him do. If you review the scene, Linguine still was forced to add the sauce to the dish they were sending out, despite his attempts to resist (see ;). The only time Linguine "overpowered" Remy was when he removed the rat from under his chef hat, rendering your point on it needing to be consensual moot. Remy could conntrol him anyway. And if Linguine were away, there's nothing saying that Remy couldn't do the same to another human. Thisi proves also how strong willed Remy is. If he hadn't wanted that specific sauce to go on that specific dish, then it wouldn't have.

Second: Nothing was said about throwing a omlette or spatula at Stuart Little. The item in question was a cheese knife. Remy would, in all liklihood, be able to accurately throw his cheese knife towards the mouse, especially if Remy were controlling a human. Or, if Remy were using a human puppet, he culd simply swat the toy plane out of the air, step on the toy car, or successfully sking the toy boat with little to no problems. The only reason Remy had such a hard time with the spatula and the omlette were because both of those things alone were wice his size, though he didnt exaclty struggle to lift them (see ;) This counters your point.

Third: Remy, while also peacful and prefering to keep out of trouble, also does what is necessary to get a job done. When the entire staff of the restaurant quit and Anton Ego was deciding their fate, who did Remy call upon to save the day? Now, usually, rats in a kitchen are a horrible idea, but Remy had the brains and know-how to find a way to make it safe, and make everything perfect for the notorious restaurant killer. Stuart Little may have the ability to play with toys, but Remy has skills comparable to Chef Gordon ramsay, and more than enough brains to get the job done. This is another reason Remy would most certainly win the fight.

To conclude this speech:
  • Remy's superior sense of smell would give him a distinct advantage over Stuart Little. The evidence provided proves this.
  • Remy's bite would also be a clear advantage.
  • The control of the human by the rat does not have to be consensual. Remy continues to do what he wants with the food despite Linguine's protests and attempts at doing what he wanted. This also proves that Remy would be strong-willed enough to take Stuart on in a fight.
  • Remy would certainly be able to throw a cheese knife which is, after all, not a spatula and an omlette, both of which were twice his size by themselves.
  • Remy would have the intelligence necessary to beat the mouse in a fight.

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