Suicide because of bullying is more unacceptable than bullying itself.

You said that bullying can damage one's psychological aspect and can lead to thinking about suicide or actual suicide. But the ‘thinking’ happens in the ‘victim’s’ brain. A lot of people have been bullied throughout their lives including me and everyone at some point will think or have thought of suicide as a way out. The rational people will say "Hey. I'm stronger than this. I will NOT kill myself!" and irrational people...you know.

There are a lot of factors that contribute to bullying, yes, but no matter how bad your life is, you should not take it. It will hurt more people in the long run and yes, it will encourage others to do the same. 'Encourage' being the key word. Society also encourages people to kill themselves. 'Victims' of suicide want attention, they want to be loved and cared for, called beautiful and have celebrities talk about them. What society is saying is that if you kill yourself, all those things will happen. All of a sudden, celebrities will start talking about you, people will say "oh, she was so pretty" and "I wish I was her friend!" The problem is, you'll be dead and what people will truly feel is pity. They’ll pity how weak you were and how you might not have done it if there were someone with you. They pity how you thought of yourself in such a degrading way and how you couldn't stand up to some name-callers.

The point I am trying to make is that society focusestoo much on bullying and not enough on suicide itself resulting in a giving suicide a positive look. It makes suicide seem almost alluring. If you kill yourself, all the pain will go away…

The focus on bullying should die down alot and the focus on the negatives of taking one's life should be looked into. Bullying is one of thecauses of suicide. We should focus on the problem at hand, not just one of the causes. If there were a disease, you would try to treat to the disease itself, not the symptoms, right?

The thought of suicide is all in a person’s mind. Bullying is just a helping hand. No one can plant thoughts in your brain and make you do something. Suicide is a choice. It is an option. For some people it’s a way out. To escape their misery; because their misery is the most important thing in the world. More important than the feelings of their friends, their family, just people around them who knows them. They are thinking, “People have done it before so why can’t I do it?”
The only people who benefit from suicide is themselves.

To conclude, the thought of suicide crosses everyone’s mind sometime but most people are strong and make sure they can pull through. But others will think of suicide as something great, they’ll see it as freedom because nobody calls it ‘an unacceptable thing to do, a pathetic and weak thing to do’. Bullying may be the cause of suicide, but no one can make you do something. Suicide is an option.

Rebuttals:
Of course bullies can push an idea but that's all it is. An idea. There's a huge difference between 'an idea' and actually going through with it. You said "BULLYING just enhances the idea of death and escape". By saying that, you are just proving what society is doing. Focusing so little on suicide that it almost seems positive. Escape is what everyone wants; to have no bounds and to be free. Society is saying 'if you kill yourself, you'll be free'. That is why suicide is more unacceptable than bullying. People make it seem like a positive thing when it's actually alotworse than bullying.

"Are we blaming the victims for committing suicide? Of course not!" Why not? Why do we blame people for using drugs when they are in depression but not blame people who suicide because of depression? People who take drugs were also 'pushed' to do it. They don't do it for no reason either. Why do we blame murderers for killing people? Studies have shown (from previous notorious murderers) that most murders kill people because they had an abusive childhood and grew up with pain. If we don't blame people who suicide fortaking their own lives, we shouldn't blame a murderer for taking another's lives either, right? I mean, both outcomes are the same: death. Both reasons are also the same: pain, misery, etc. The only difference between the two is a the choice of life. Victims of a murderer do not have a choice but people who suicide do. That is why suicide should take priority. The show people that thereisa choice.

"YOU MENTIONED ABOUT A REWARD they'll get from it? PLEASE SPECIFY." I have. The reward they get is: people noticing them, celebrities talking about them, people calling them pretty or saying they wish they were their friend and the opportunity to make the bullies feel bad.

(your paragraph 4 - 6) According to UNICEF,millionsof children can't evenattendschool. Of course many people report incidents of bullying but hardly anyone reports incidents of suicide. That's because people arestrongerthan that and don't let the bullies get to them.
Adults understand the fairness of life better than children, which is why the amounts of suicide is much less. If we were to focus on stopping SUICIDE, the amounts will become lesser still. Adults would want to set a better example to their children and will tell them that suicide is not OK. The problem is, WE ARE NOT DOING THAT! We all are focusing on how bullying is not OK but not a lot of people are listening. We have to send a different message out, one that will truly have an impact on people. "Suicide is not OK. Here are the reasons why..."

"...even though it's very hard to change ..." If it's [bullying] hard to change, shouldn't we try to change something that is easierto change? Something that will make more of a difference?
People are trying in vain to get the bullying message out with a progress that is much too slow. the 'REALITY' is suicide andthatis what we should focus on.
Yes, there will be an improvement if we focus on bullying but it is happening much too slowly. Bullyissomething that will never be resolved and itiseverywhere which iswhywe shouldn't focus so much on it.

"...my opponent was not able to STICK to the topic and to the argument..." I'm sorry but I disagree with this. Here is where 'ideas' and 'action' comes back into play. For me to make the claim "Suicide because of bullying is more unacceptable than bullying itself." I must come up with a possible solution for it.

"if society made Suicide more unacceptable, how? By showing how severe the effects of suicide is? ...Doesn't that show how WORSE BULLYING is?" The effects of suicide isencouragementof suicide. If one person did it, wouldn't that encourage others to do the same? Wouldn't they think "Why can they do it but I cannot?" It also has an impact on family but I will get on with that later.

"...if you are sick and I feel sorry that you are sick, does that mean your sickness is a positive thing..." I was making the comparison of sickness and symptoms to bullying, not suicide. Your comparisons are illogical and not well used because I have already said that by 'feeling sorry for' means having celebrities talk about you, have people call you beautiful, etc.
Society in general is focusing so little on suicide that people don't understand the seriousness of it.
"You can't have the symptoms to be the cause of the disease." That is exactly what I'm arguing. Bullying is NOT the cause of suicide.

"...you misunderstood my analogy..." Yes, I believe I did misunderstand. No one studies if they don't want good grades.

"What is that thing that pushes them to do suicide, what is that thing that gave them the idea of committing suicide? Isn't it bullying?" No it is not bullying. It's what they think, what goes on in their heads. They think their misery is the most important thing in the world and that they deserve happiness (which I believe they do but my point is suicide-because-you-don't-have-happiness is unacceptable). Also, you shot yourself in the foot with "what is that thing that gave them the idea of committing suicide?" because your first sentence was "Bullies don't plant the thought..."

I'm sorry but I do not understand your use of the word 'effect' when you say '...but suicide because of bullying is an effect" (By drugs, I meant the illegal ones, not medications)

(Your paragraph 20:I am not saying that we don't have a choice...) My answer to that is we will always have a choice. And not only a choice but a wide range of choices. It's not "fight or die". The world is not in black and white. We could run, fight, seek help, revenge; the choices can go on and on and if something doesn't go planned, come up with a plan yourself. Isn't that what we do in debating? If we weren't expecting the opponent to say something, wouldn’t we come up with a plan (on the spot) to rebut them?

(Your very next paragraph) How am I not sticking to the topic? I am saying: both victims of suicide and drugs abusers do those things for the same reason but people make a bigger deal about the drug abuser.
Life will always be unfair no matter what situation and with people who suicide not understanding that is UNACCEPTABLE.

(My rebuttal to the next few paragraphs) You cannot plant a thought in another's head.
People talk about bullying (seminars) because that's what society is telling them to do (also paying them to do). If they can persuade people to stop bullying, they must be able to stop suicides.

My answer to your question was to tell you (or anyone else reading this) that I am a strong person and if I chose otherwise, it would make me weak.

Point:
Suicide is unacceptable. Even more so than bullying because bullying tends to affect one person in general. Suicide, however, affects many more. (I've already talked about encouraging others) It affects family members and friends. Of course, those people will probably blame it on the bully but {off topic} that's the problem with us. We tend to blame things on people too much. We fill our lives with so much hate that we can't see the fault on the other side. Not many people think 'she should have been stronger than this' or 'she should have fought' or 'it's partially her fault as well' {back on topic}. To not blame the person you loved is being in denial. Close people who suicide makes them feel depression, anger, hate and denial. Those feelings will haunt themforeverno matter what age they are. Bullying will make people feel disappointed and cause hate in the general public but the feelings suicide can cause is much worse than that. If one of my friends killed herself because of bullies, (beside my hate for the bullies) I would honestly feel disappointed that she wasn't strong enough. I would also feel sadness/emptiness/depression for the rest of my life. And I only got these ideas from movies/books that describelosinga family member (not to bullying).

Rebuttals:
You said "For the victim's perspective, suicide is the solution" What is stopping this thought? No one wants to stop you because it’s not important. The fact that 'society' is focusingso littleon it makes it seem positive—No one will stop you from suicide because 'it's no big thing'. And I've already said, you'll have celebrities talking about you, people calling you pretty, etc. I did notonly say “by focusing so much on bullying, suicide seems positive.” I gave a heap of reasons more.
Also, you keep shooting yourself in the foot. Yes, people think suicide is the RIGHT solution andthat's the problem. We need to tell them that it is WRONG. We need to tell them how unacceptable it is and how it’llnever be the right solution.

There are many people suffering depression and yet they still don't kill themselves. The kind of depression they suffer can be much worse than being bullied. For example, the death of someone close. Maybe that someone killed themselves becausethey were depressed from bullying. Losing someone, (for example a mother losing a child) is probably the worse feelings anyone can get. It can be so overwhelming that they would kill themselves too. THAT proves suicide [from bullying] to be more unacceptable. Not only are you killing yourself, you are also making others want to kill themselves too just so they can be with you.

"BULLYING is more unacceptable because it MAKES society say that if one kills himself he will be free" So shouldn't we change that message? If bullying 'makes' society say that, shouldn't we work on changing the message? Shouldn't we prioritize suicide so that the message says "If you're going to kill yourself, think about the people you will hurt. They lives you will destroy…"?

{Paragraph 4} We blame people who take drugs because theychose to take drugs. That is why be should blame people who suicide because theychose to do it. However, we are not doing that and we are not setting a moral ground for it. Again, we are focusing so little on it that people think it's not actually wrong. [Before you rebut, my explanation] Our world focuses on how bad drugs are so peopleknow it's bad. If we show people how bad suicide is, they willknow it's bad too and will decide against it.

"HOW DO WE GET TO CURE THE DISEASE without CURING IT'S CAUSES?" I said nothing about bullying being the cause. In fact, I was saying the exact opposite. I was comparing bullying to symptoms and by treating to symptoms, it will make no difference on the disease. The cause of suicide is not bullying. It is the person's thinking that causes it. If they think they're strong, however, they will not suicide. Further explanation later.

In your fifth paragraph, you did not provide a proper explanation to the point you were trying to make. But I shall elaborate on the point I tried to make. Victims of amurdererdo not have a choice because they would not have seen it coming (as long as the murderer's smart and clean) but if someone were holding a gun to your head and told you to give them all your money, you do have a choice. Please do not twist my words.

{6th} People want to be loved and to be noticed. The thing society is saying (by paying almost no [bad] attention to suicides) is that if you kill yourself, you will get all of that. Why? Because of everyone who's killed themselves before. They got all the attention, everyone talking about them, everyone loving them. When Amanda Todd made her video, she was looking for attention (not in a bad way) and she got it. People want to be loved and accepted and they think suicide is the only way to get it. However, that is not what they get. That is what society makes them think they will get (more later). Weneedto tell them that it is UNACCEPTABLE.
You did not explain your last sentence properly.

"Suicide is bad but bullying is worse" The message I see from this is "Bullying is much worse than suicide so it's OK to do it if you're bullied." Wecantry to avoid bullying but that is not working. We must focus on suicide and tell people how unacceptable it is. “If you suicide, you will ruin the lives of those around you, make them feel pain thatyou'venever felt before..."
Your reasoning for stopping bullying (ethics, morals, etc) does not work. We are taught all those things already and the progress is much too slow.

I do not understand your 8th paragraph. I said that it is easier to stop suicide than to stop bullying because, let's face it, we are progressing much too slowly.
If we tell people to be strong, that we love them, that it'll hurt us too much to bear if they die, then they'll listen. If they love whoever's telling them that, they'll listen, why wouldn’t they? We sit down with people and tell them how terrible things like drugs, violence, sex, etc are so we should tell them about suicide as well. We all look down to drugs and violence and feel ashamed of those people. We tell our kids that those things are bad and are wrong. Suicide belongs on the list.

"If he can bully that girl, it means I can bully that boy too" You are only replacing my words but not providing evidence as I did with the explanation of impacts.

I repeat myself, the idea of suicide may have been created by the bully, HOWEVER, actually going through with it is entirely the 'victim's' fault. Just an idea is very different to actually going through with it. I have an idea: to work very hard and get a job and become the richest person in the world, but that will not happen because I don't want to work that hard. Suicide is a choice and no one can force you nor ‘push’ you to make that choice.

"I chose suicide cause of bullying which pushes me." You chose suicide because you are too weak to stand up for yourself and because the world did not tell you "No". They did not try to stop it so you though it OK.

I feel it too hard to rebut to some of your points. They are empty and have no solid evidence other than “[just] because bullying more unacceptable than suicide.” And "BULLYING affects more than suicide." Please elaborate.
Your last sentence was also contradicting to yourself.

Points:
Suicide marks you out for being weak. People will pity you and not in the way you want them to. On the outside, they will talk about how lovely you were, how beautiful, how friendly, but deep inside, what they feel for you is pity. Pity at how weak you were and how pathetic, how you couldn’t stand up for yourself and how youletthose people put you down. When you suicide, you will be remembered. Not for how great you were but because you killed yourself. You will be forever remembered as the person who was so weak, they took their own life. You will have a Wikipedia page with the first sentence being “(name) committed suicide on…”

This is the message society should work on. To show how truly unacceptable suicide is and how it should take priority over bullying. We should stop learning about bullying and focus on suicides because that is what is causing all the trauma, the tears, the pity and the even more suicides.

Another problem with our world is that we try to prevent things after it has happened. We only try to prevent bullyingbecause people suicide from it. Repeat: we try to prevent bullying Because Of Suicides. What we should do is focus on stopping suicides. Why? Because of suicides, of course. We should try to prevent people from killing themselves in the first place rather than focus on the so-called cause of it.
Suicide must take priority over bullying because it is more unacceptable. It is a cause for depression amongst many, it is encouragement for our future generation to suicide and it is a symbol of the human race as being weak.

Note to readers: For some reason, whenever I make words into italics, a space disappears. Sorry if you thought I had terrible grammar! :)

Thank-youidonotbelievey0u for such a thrilling debate! It was a lot of fun and (although it will not play in my favour) good luck!