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The God of the Bible is the same in the Old Testament and New Testament

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The Bible is very clear about the unchanging nature of God. James declares that every good gift comes down from the Father of lights, "with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning" (James 1:17). Hebrews 13:8 tells us that Jesus Christ is "the same yesterday, Today, And forever. " If this is true, It follows that there has not been, Nor could there ever be, Any shift in God's character.

Many people seem to suppose that the deity of the Old Testament is a "God of violence. " They see this God as standing in stark contrast to the "loving Heavenly Father" of the New Testament. But this idea is largely a figment of the popular imagination. This can be seen by taking a closer look at the Scriptures.

The God of the New Testament is clearly a God of love (1 John 4:8). No doubt about it. But does that mean He's nothing but an indulgent, Doting, Grandfatherly figure? Hardly. If you're unsure about this, Go back and re-read the story of Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11). And remember the words of Jesus: "I will show you whom you should fear. Fear Him who, After He has killed, Has power to cast into hell; yes, I say, Fear Him! " (Luke 12:5). The author of Hebrews agrees: "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:31). Why? Because "our God is a consuming fire" (Hebrews 12:29).

On the other hand, The God of the old covenant is anything but the relentlessly bad-tempered taskmaster some people make Him out to be. The Old Testament Scriptures are forever describing Him as "merciful and gracious, Slow to anger, And abounding in mercy. " They refer to Him as a God who "has not dealt with us according to our sins nor punished us according to our iniquities" (Psalm 103:8-10; see also Exodus 34:6, 7).

As a matter of fact, All of the biblical authors agree that God's love and God's judgment are actually two sides of the same coin. Fire can burn. Fire can also provide warmth and comfort. It all depends on where we stand in relationship to the flame. Both Testaments reflect this truth, Each in its own way.

And that's not all. Paul's "New Testament" emphasis upon grace and faith (as opposed to works of the law) did not originate with him. This central biblical theme can be traced all the way back to the Book of Genesis. There we find it recorded that Abraham "believed in the Lord, And He accounted it to him for righteousness" (Genesis 15:6; see Romans 4:3 and Galatians 3:6). The same idea appears in Habakkuk 2:4, Where the prophet writes, "Behold the proud, His soul is not upright in him; but the just shall live by his faith. " Grace, Then, Is not just a New Testament idea. It's a biblical idea.

To sum up: the problem of the supposed "differences" between the Old Testament God and the New Testament God is far subtler and more complex than it appears at first glance. To say that the God of the Old Testament is "wrathful and punishing" while the God of the New is "loving and kind" is a gross oversimplification.

Citation: https://www. Focusonthefamily. Com/family-q-and-a/faith/the-god-of-the-old-testament-vs-the-god-of-new


The god of the bible in the Old Testament and New Testament were written by different authors who had different opinions of what they believed their god should think and act.

Here, The god of the bible in the OT regretted that he created the human race:

"The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, And his heart was deeply troubled. So the Lord said, "I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created"and with them the animals, The birds and the creatures that move along the ground"for I regret that I have made them. " - Genesis 6:6

And because of such lack of love for the human race that he created, He destroyed them:

"And never again will I destroy all living creatures, As I have done. " - Genesis 8:21

The authors for the NT never made such mistake in making their god character destroy all living creatures in the world because he was not satisfied with his own creations.

Therefore, The authors for the OT who created their god character versus the authors for the NT who created their god character had different attributes and mentality of what they wanted their god to portray.

I would like to thank Con for providing this topic for debate.
Debate Round No. 1


I would like to thank the Con for accepting this debate before i begin.

On the surface, God in the Old Testament appears to be radically different than in the New Testament. In the Old Testament, He appears powerful, Holy, Punishing, Angry, And jealous. In the New, In the form of Jesus, He appears kind, Loving, Meek, And forgiving. How do we reconcile the powerful Deity that ordered the destruction of countless cities with the kneeling Jesus who defended the adulterous woman?

The key is to realize the context. In the Old Testament, The context was God's relationship with the nation He had chosen to represent His holiness and teach the world about Him. In the New Testament, And now in the church age, The context is God's relationship with the individuals and the church He has chosen to represent His holiness and teach the world about Him. There are several areas in which His actions in the Old Testament are comparable to His work in the New, And in our lives today.

Personal standards: Despite the fact that, In the Old Testament, God generally dealt with the Israelites as a nation, He still had expectations for individual behavior. The most famous are those given in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17). In the New Testament, Matthew 5 gives several expectations for individuals for the church age, Including the admonishment to do whatever is necessary to keep oneself from sin (vs. 29-30).

Corporate standards: Leviticus and Deuteronomy are filled with God's expectations for the Israelites as a whole: worship Him only (Exodus 34:14), Observe the Sabbath (Exodus 16:29) and the feasts (Exodus 11 and 12; Deuteronomy 16:16; Leviticus 23:27-28), And follow His instructions without hesitation (Numbers 14). The New Testament also contains instructions for the new corporate body"the church. The church is not to harbor unrepentant hearts (1 Corinthians 5:1-2), But follow a detailed set of instructions to purge itself of sin (Matthew 18:15-20).

Personal consequences: God meted out consequences to those who disobeyed Him in both the Old and New Testaments. He had Achan killed in Joshua 7. He took David's son in response to David's adultery with Bathsheba (2 Samuel 12:15-23). And He kept Moses and Aaron from entering the Holy Land after their disobedience (Numbers 20:24; Deuteronomy 34:4). Similarly, In the New Testament, Ananias and Sapphira were struck down after lying about their offering (Acts 5:1-11), And Jesus rebuked Peter when Peter denied Jesus' purpose (Mark 8:31-33). In 1 John 5:16, We learn that there are cases where an individual's sin is so grievous that, For the protection of the church and the honor of God's name, God allows that person to die.

Corporate consequences: This is perhaps the main area in which God seems to differ from the Old Testament to the New. How can the destruction of Sodom, Gomorrah, And the Canaanites be reconciled with anything that occurs in the New Testament? The answer, Again, Is context. Israel and Israel's land were to be holy, Set apart, And free from the influence of false gods. In order for Israel to be a holy nation, The incredibly evil nations in residence had to be destroyed. These were not countries with a few sinners here and there. They were nations overrun with evil. Genesis 18:22-33 says there were not even ten righteous people in Sodom. In fact, The most righteous man in Sodom was Lot"the man who offered his daughters to be gang-raped. God dealt with people primarily on a national level. In the New Testament, God deals with individuals and with local bodies of believers"churches. Revelation 2 and 3 give lists of the faults and fortes of several churches, And the book of 1 Corinthians is filled with Paul's guidance of"and sometimes frustration with"the church in Corinth.

Governing authority: This is another area where the presumed difference between God in the Old Testament and the New seems blatant. In the Old Testament, God charged the corporate authority, Israel, To execute witches (Leviticus 20:27), Adulterers (Leviticus 20:10), And disrespectful children (Deuteronomy 21:18-21). The New Testament says that unrepentant sinners should be excommunicated (Matthew 18:15-20). Why the difference? Because civil law is given to civil authorities. In the Israel of the Old Testament, The priests and judges were the civil law. In the church age, Civil authority is given to national and regional governments, Not the church. The church does not have the right to implement punishment on society at large.

The role of the Holy Spirit: This is another example of the changes in context between the Old and New Testaments, And it's directly related to the previous five points. With the resurrection and ascension of Jesus and the spread of the gospel beyond the nation of Israel, The role of the Holy Spirit changed to accommodate the new situation. Instead of limiting His direct involvement to a few prophets, Priests, And kings, He now indwells and counsels every believer. Instead of occupying the centralized worship center of a chosen nation (Exodus 40:34), He now occupies every believer's heart (1 Corinthians 6:19). This more personal relationship means that God no longer primarily confronts us through the authority of the spiritual and civic rulers, But directly (Philippians 2:13), Which also means we are even more responsible for our own behavior (2 Timothy 2:15).

Loving-kindness: Genesis 4:15 is one of the first examples of God's loving-kindness to an individual who didn't deserve it. Cain killed his brother, And the punishment for murder was death. God not only delayed that punishment, He put a mark on Cain to protect him from those seeking reprisal. In Genesis 17:20, God showed loving-kindness when He promised to make Ishmael the father of a great nation. And in 1 Kings 19:1-21, He provided rest, Food, And a successor for His exhausted prophet Elijah. The compassion of Jesus in the New Testament is very prominent. He was kind to the adulterous woman (John 8:1-11), Giving to the Gentile woman (Matthew 15:21-28), And patient with His clueless disciples (Matthew 8:26). But the God who comforted Hagar and the God who healed the Syrophoenician woman's daughter are the same.

Forgiveness and patience: The book of Hosea is the story of a man whose life was a metaphor for God's relationship with Israel. God told Hosea to marry a prostitute. He did, But she never could manage to remain faithful. She strayed again and again, But Hosea continually received her back. Similarly, God was incredibly forgiving and patient with Israel. God put up with over two hundred years of rebellion and rejection before He allowed Assyria to wipe the northern kingdom off the map. Judah lasted over one hundred years longer. But, Really, The record of God's patience goes back much further, To the day Moses stepped onto the mountain of God and the people built a golden calf. For over one thousand years, God sent prophets and leaders and righteous men to lead His chosen people, And His people ignored them"or worse (1 Kings 19:10). Second Peter 3:9 explains why God is so patient: "The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, But is patient toward you, Not wishing that any should perish, But that all should reach repentance. " The patience God showed the Israelites and Peter (John 18:27) is the same patience He shows us.

Friendship: It is easy to envision Jesus walking a dirt trail, Cracking jokes with Peter, Or sitting at Mary and Martha's table, Thanking Martha for the meal. He was so open and kind that John could name himself "the disciple whom Jesus loved. " This is the same friendship that God showed in the Old Testament. Exodus 33:11 says, "Thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face, As a man speaks to his friend. " David was so close to God, So willing to follow and trust Him, That he was called "a man after God's own heart" (1 Samuel 13:14; Acts 13:22).

Purpose: The purpose of God in the Old and New Testaments is the same: choose people who don't deserve His attention, Allow them to display His glory and righteousness, And commission them teach the world about Him. Abraham and the Israelites did nothing to earn God's attention (Deuteronomy 7:7-9), And neither do we (Ephesians 2:8-9). God chose Israel to obey Him and be holy (Exodus 19:5-6), As He does with us (Romans 12:1). And He charged both Israel (Genesis 22:18) and the church-age believers (Matthew 28:19-20) to present God's gift of salvation to the world.

God hasn't changed; the context has changed. He no longer primarily relates to the world through a sovereign nation, But through individuals and the church. This affects how we see the scale of His work. Where, In the Old Testament, An entire nation may have been destroyed, We see today one serial killer caught and prosecuted. Where, Before, The nation of Israel may have gone into exile for their disobedience, Now a sinful pastor is removed from ministry. And, By the same measure, Where, Before, God showed longsuffering toward His chosen people as they rebelled against Him, He now shows that same mercy to us when we choose the things of the world over His Word. God's holiness, Passion, Restraint, And fury are all exactly the same; we just see it on a personal level instead of a national one. And that means we can experience His love and forgiveness on a personal level, As well.

Citation: https://www. Compellingtruth. Org/God-different-OT-NT. Html


It is very clear that the nature of the god character in the bible is different from the Old Testament versus the New Testament.

It is also agreed that on the surface, God in the Old Testament has proven to be radically different than in the New Testament. In the Old Testament, He appears powerful, Holy, Punishing, Angry, And jealous. No doubt about this. But in the New Testament, You will not find the angry and jealous nature of the god character that we all come to know from the Old Testament supported by one of following verses:

"for the LORD your God, Who is among you, Is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, And he will destroy you from the face of the land. " - Deuteronomy 6:15 (Old Testament)

This is not love, Nor is it kindness. It is an insecure god with anger management issues that broadcasts intimidation designed to cause extreme fear that threatens the life among those who disrespect his nature of jealousy.

But can you find such behavior for the god of the bible in the New Testament? No.

Why is this so? Is it because of a change in context of a god character that has changed his approach from focusing on individual characters rather than nations? No.

It is because the Old Testament was written by different authors compared to the New Testament:

https://en. Wikipedia. Org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible
https://en. Wikipedia. Org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible

The authors for the books of the Old Testament lived between 586-330 BCE, Written in Hebrew, Under the Hebrew culture. Books for the Judaism religion.

While the authors for the books of the New Testament lived between 51-110 CE, Written in Greek, Under the Greek culture. Books for the Christian religion.

Could authors who lived more than 300 years apart with different cultural backgrounds and religious views guarantee the integrity of behavior for the god of the bible originally defined by the authors of the Old Testament? No.

Without the close collaboration and cooperation between authors of different religions who lived apart during completely different generations in time, An author of the New Testament cannot guarantee the integrity and opinion of authors who expressed their literary works of the god character in the Old Testament.

It is likely that the authors for the books of the New Testament would prefer to "change" and re-invent the behavior and characteristics of the god in the New Testament to reflect a non-angry and non-jealous role model. Such change could become more appealing to a growing society that rejects the idea of worshiping an angry and jealous god.

But, The Jews of the Judaism religion (Old Testament) do not believe that the jesus character in the New Testament (created by the authors of the Christian religion) is the true Christ. They believe that the jesus character is a false Messiah and certainly not a god.

How could the god character in the Old Testament be the jesus character in the New Testament if the Jews of the Judaism religion do not agree that the jesus character is a god? It can't. Thus, The god character in the Old Testament can never be the god character in the New Testament as originally defined in the Judaism religion.

https://en. Wikipedia. Org/wiki/Judaism%27s_view_of_Jesus

So, With such conflict and differences between the two religions of Judaism and Christianity, Could the god of the Old Testament (Judaism religion) and the New Testament (Christian religion) be the same? No.

Therefore, The difference in the context of a god character that has changed his approach from focusing on individual characters rather than nations is not the key. It is much larger than that. The real key is the difference of the mentality and mindset of the authors between the Old Testament (Judaism religion) and the New Testament (Christian religion) that dictate the underlying foundation, Behavior, Characteristics for the god that they would like to express in their stories.

Thus, Clearly explaining why you have an "angry" and "jealous" god demonstrated in the Old Testament compared to one that is not, In the New Testament.

Different authors under a different religion living many generations apart = A different god made by different opinions from a different time.

In other words, The god of the Old Testament books is not the same as the god in the New Testament books.

I would like to thank Pro for allowing us to continue this great debate and look forward to the next round.
Debate Round No. 2


Before I begin, I would like to thank my opponent for being an incredibly respectful and professional debater in this circumstance.

Here are some verses from both Testaments that describe God's characteristics.

OT: "There is none holy like the Lord; there is none besides you; there is no rock like our God. " (1 Samuel 2:2)
NT: Since it is written, "You shall be holy, For I am holy. " (1 Peter 1:16)

OT: Be assured, An evil person will not go unpunished, But the offspring of the righteous will be delivered. (Proverbs 11:21)
NT: For the wrongdoer will be paid back for the wrong he has done, And there is no partiality. (Colossians 3:25)

OT: But the Lord is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King. At his wrath the earth quakes, And the nations cannot endure his indignation. (Jeremiah 10:10)
NT: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, Who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. (Romans 1:18)

OT: For you shall worship no other god, For the Lord, Whose name is Jealous, Is a jealous God (Exodus 34:14
NT: For I feel a divine jealousy for you (2 Corinthians 11:2)

OT: The Lord your God is in your midst, A mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. (Zepheniah 3:17)
NT: For God so loved the world, That he gave his only Son, That whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16)

OT: But let him who boasts boast in this, That he understands and knows me, That I am the Lord who practices steadfast love, Justice, And righteousness in the earth. For in these things I delight, Declares the Lord. " (Jeremiah 9:24)
NT: But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, He saved us, Not because of works done by us in righteousness, But according to his own mercy, By the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:4-5)

These verses show that God's characteristics of Holiness, Anger, Love, Etc. Are present in both Testaments. It is also important to note the definition of Jealous in the Bible.

God is referred to in Scripture as jealous, And jealousy is referred to in Scripture as sin. The second commandment explicitly says that God is a jealous God (Exodus 20:4"5; cf. 34:14); yet, In Galatians Paul condemns jealousy in the same breath as idolatry (Galatians 5:19"20). How can this be?

http://www. Equip. Org/bible_answers/if-jealousy-is-sin-how-can-god-be-jealous/

First, There is such a thing as sanctified jealousy. As such, Jealousy is the proper response of a husband or wife whose trust has been violated through infidelity. Indeed, When an exclusive covenant relationship is dishonored, Sanctified jealousy is the passionate zeal that fights to restore that holy union. The jealousy of God for his holy name and for the exclusive worship of his people as such is sanctified.

Furthermore, As there is sanctified jealousy, So too there is sinful jealousy. In this sense jealousy is painfully coveting another"s advantages. Accordingly, The apostle Paul lists jealousy as an act of the sinful nature. Says Paul, "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, Impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, Discord, Jealousy, Fits of rage, Selfish ambition, Dissentions, Factions and envy; drunkenness, Orgies, And the like" (Galatians 5:19"21, Emphasis added).

Finally, As God personifies sanctified jealousy, So those who reflect his character must be zealous for the things of God. The Bible is replete with heroes such as Elijah (1 Kings 19:10, 14), David (Psalm 69:9), And Paul (2 Corinthians 11:2) whose jealousy for God"s glory motivated self"sacrifice and radical reform. The quintessential example, However, Is found in the incarnate Christ who exercised the epitome of sanctified jealousy by overturning the tables of the moneychangers in the temple""a symbolic gesture condemning the Jewish leaders of his day for dishonoring God through their contemptible religiosity (Matthew 21:12"13; John 2:17; cf. Jeremiah 7:9"15).

I would like to summarize with this:
At the heart of this question is the consistency of God's character. When we ask if the OT and NT gods are different, We suggest that God's character is limited to either mercy or judgment but He cannot display both. This assumption is simply not reasonable nor biblically accurate.

Scripture teaches that God's character remains consistent throughout the Old Testament and New Testament. From Genesis to Revelation, God is shown to be a God of love, Mercy and patience. Similarly, Both the OT and NT reveal God's wrath, Anger, And vengeance. Thumbing through the pages of both the OT and the NT you will find many references a loving Father Who extends mercy and grace even to His enemies, And you will also find a God who hates sin and is willing to demonstrate His wrath against sinners. Both sides of God are represented in both testements. Therefore, To think that the OT and NT depict different gods is an erroneous assumption in iteself.

Furthermore, It is illogical to assume that God cannot be loving and merciful while also demonstrating wrath against sin. Love, Mercy, Wrath and judgment are not mutually exclusive character traits. In fact, They are complimentary personality traits. It is no more contradictory to say that God can display both wrath and mercy than it is to say we can feel both love and hatred from time to time.

Thirdly, Real personalities are multifaceted and will naturally manefest different responses to different circumstances. For example, When we encounter a rude person, We may feel anger, But when we encounter a kind person, We may feel love. Likewise, God may choose to display His wrath when confronted with sin and disobedience, Or He may choose to display mercy and forgiveness. Either choice would be a legitimate responses to sin. God's lovingkindness and His burning wrath are two sides of His character and personality, And He may exhibit either one or the other as He pleases.

Fourth, God is bound by His own perfect nature. He must act in perfect ways. He cannot sin and He cannot lie, According to Scripture. Therefore, He must display His wrath against unrepentent sin and bring His judgment against those who have not received the atoning work of Christ. He cannot overlook sin or else He Himself commits an injustice. Conversely, God is just when He shows His favor to those who are justified by grace through faith Christ's sacrifice. So, God's own perfection will require He react in different ways under differnet circumstances.

Finally, God's personality is not disproportionately wrathful in the OT nor disproportionately merciful in the NT as some might claim. In reality, Both the OT and NT testify equally to God's mercy and to His wrath. For example, In the OT God displays His anger against sinning Israelites at multiple points during their wanderings in the desert, Yet He also showed His great mercy in sending Jonah to preach the Gospel to the city of Nineveh. In the NT, We see God's love and mercy in sending His Son to die for the sins of men, Yet we also read in the letters of Paul, Peter and John about the coming judgment that awaits the unbelieving world (and the book of Revelation offers a detailed and chilling account of how God brings terrible judgments upon the world shortly before the return of Christ. )

Overall, Some of the greatest examples of God's grace and mercy are evident in the OT (i. E. , Joseph, The Exodus, Ruth, Esther, Jonah) while God's most terrifying displays of wrath and anger are described by Jesus in Matthew 24 and in the book of Revelation. Clearly, The Bible presents a balanced and nuanced perspective of a God Who possesses a full personality.

God's nature and character includes both mercy and love together with anger and judgment against sin. God displays all sides of His personality consistently across both the Old and New Testaments. Furthermore, God is just when He displays His wrath against sin, But in mercy He chooses to show grace to some when He desires. This is the inherent right of a sovereign God. Finally, God used the nation of Israel to carry out His wrath against sinful nations, While today He has instructed the Church to refrain from judging. Ultimately, God reserves all judgment for Himself, And Scripture teaches that He intends to bring that judgment by His own hand in a future day.

Citation: https://www. Versebyverseministry. Org/bible-answers/old_testament_god_vs. _a_new_testament_god

Thank you for taking the time to read this.


I see that you tried your best to find a match to the anger that the god expressed in the OT somewhere in the NT:

"NT: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, Who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. (Romans 1:18)
" - Sup3rfruit

Unfortunately, This verse is barely effective and descriptive enough to express the same extreme level of anger as we can find all over the Old Testament.

For example, Are creatures and animals unrighteous? No, Creatures and animals are innocent. Then where is the good and kindness in destroying all innocent creatures in the world if all you want to punish are the unrighteous humans? This is the kind of extreme and unreasonable anger that the god character in the old testament demonstrated:

So God said to Noah, "I have decided to destroy all living creatures, For they have filled the earth with violence. Yes, I will wipe them all out along with the earth! " - Genesis 6:13

Do butterflies and hummingbirds fill the earth with violence? No. . . But the god character in Genesis 6:13 lied about it anyway and destroyed each and every one of them.

Since you could not find the same extreme level of anger of the god character from the Old Testament to the New Testament, Then it is clear that the authors of the New Testament did not carry on the extreme level of anger so that they could bring a positive change and a refreshing perception of the old "god of violence and anger" to the new "god of love and mercy".

This should be no surprise to anyone since it is known by many that the authors for the Old Testament were Jews of the Judaism religion. While the authors of the New Testament were Christians of the Christian religion. Two groups of authors from two different religions that are not exactly compatible with each others' views and opinions.

So in conclusion, The god of the Old Testament is not the same as the god of the New Testament. The god of the Old Testament expressed acts of unreasonable violence, Anger, And jealousy that could not be found anywhere in the New Testament.

It was interesting to experience your style of copying and pasting entire articles from other authors regarding the god character created in OT and in the NT. But it would have been great to find out their reaction when they realize that the authors for the Old Testament and the New Testament were from different religions that didn't always share the same opinion of the god they wanted people to worship. It could answer and explain so many questions that they have been pondering on but couldn't figure out for the life of them.

In any case, It was a pleasure to have this discussion with you and thanks again for initiating this debate.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Polyamorgy 3 years ago
Jews view Christians the same as Christians view Mormons. Mormons have their own version of an even newer New Testament, So. . . Who can blame the Jews if they don't believe in the Christians' idea of Jesus Christ and whatever was written about Christ by his disciples and others who claim divine interaction? Seriously, ACTS is packed with contributions from authors who acknowledge never meeting Jesus in the flesh. Can you imagine Jews going around, Bullying non-Jews into believing only their version of things? I can't, But Christians and Mormons do exactly that, With no hesitation to promote their political views within a community.
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