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Socraticadherent4
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EricRein
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The Marxist concept of "The Means of Production" is a bunch of nonsense.

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Started: 3/17/2018 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Socraticadherent4

Pro

There is no such thing as specific or defined "Means of Production", they aren't some scarce objects that the so called 'bourgeois' confiscated or found laying around as Marxists tend to imply, anything can be a means of production and humans utilize and do anything they can in order to produce and profit. The only constant variable that exists in any function that leads to production is humans, and as such the only way production can be owned is through the ownership and subjugation of humans. That's why virtually all attempts at initiating communism resulted in totalitarian hellholes.

How can you seize the means of production if anything can be used as a means of production? You can't seize everything, but you can seize the one thing that is integral to production: humans. The idea that the rich posses some miraculous object that allows production while production isn't possible without it is ridiculous.

A business is dynamic and is composed of different external and internal variables that are integral for its substantiation, the moment you cease a business these variable change and it itself ceases to exist. Imagine someone making a business out of buying something from one person and selling it to another, what can you seize here? You can't. That's the basis of all businesses, some people sell labor and others products.
EricRein

Con

I don't really understand that beginning argument but u said that "means of production" doesn't exist. It does. U said humans are the common factor in production and you are right (unless u consider machines) but means of production isn't as complex as u think. It just means all the resources and tools etc. To create that product.
Example: Mr. Krabs is the business owner Spongebob and Squidward are the workers, and u guessed it. Krabby patties are the product. The means of production: spatula, lettuce, the meat, buns, pickles, etc. U can even get as detailed to say the means of production is the oven that baked the buns, the machine that shaped the spatula. That's what means of production is.
Debate Round No. 1
Socraticadherent4

Pro

The idea that Mr. Krabs possesses the only means by which krabby patties can be created is ridiculous, stealing the means by which he accommodates the production of krabby patties won't provide you with the capability of doing so and wont exclude him from producing krabby patties.
EricRein

Con

I'm sorry but I'm so confused. Can u say Ur point but in layman's terms? It's just that u speak of accommodations and I'm just sort of lost on what you're saying
Debate Round No. 2
Socraticadherent4

Pro

The idea that the rich posses some miraculous object that allows production while production isn't possible without it is ridiculous.
EricRein

Con

I don't think its just one single object. The means of production is the total sum of all the resources involved to create a product.
Debate Round No. 3
Socraticadherent4

Pro

Ok, The idea that the rich posses all the miraculous objects that allow production while production isn't possible without them is ridiculous.
EricRein

Con

Well if the rich doesn't own them and the proletariat certainly doesnt. Who does?
Debate Round No. 4
Socraticadherent4

Pro

Nobody, everything can be a means of production and nobody owns everything.
EricRein

Con

I disagree, companies/businesses produce 'products' and in this country the owners of those means to produce are the wealthy. Mr.Krabs owns the grill and kitchen and spatula and he uses his wealth to invest in the Krusty Krab expecting profit. Mr. Krabs owns the means to produce Krabby Patties
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by EricRein 3 years ago
EricRein
Exactly, pls vote friend
Posted by Soyuz 3 years ago
Soyuz
Not everything is a means of production nor is it a single object. Furthermore the means of production are subjective on the product or Industry. For example an Axe would be considered a means of production for lumber but not for education.

As for the argument below.

> Ok, The idea that the rich posses all the miraculous objects that allow production while production isn't > possible without them is ridiculous.

How would trees be chopped down without the ownership of Axes or Chainsaws, Without them production would come to a halt.
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