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The Queen should stand trial for complicity in crimes against humanity.

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Started: 3/17/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Full Resolution:

Because she is immune from prosecution in the UK, on her next visit, private or state, to a country which is party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith (The Queen) should be arrested and transferred to The Hague to stand trial in the International Criminal Court on charges of complicity to the alleged crimes against humanity committed by the former British Prime Minister, the late Lady Margaret Thatcher (Thatcher).


The International Criminal Court (ICC):

The ICC is an independent, permanent court that tries persons accused of the most serious crimes of international concern, namely genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. The ICC is based on a treaty, (The Rome Statute) joined by 122 countries (effective as of 1 May 2013).

Crimes Against Humanity:

The International Criminal Court defines a crime against humanity as:

o murder;
o extermination;
o enslavement;
o deportation or forcible transfer of population;
o imprisonment;
o torture;
o rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;
o persecution against an identifiable group on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious or gender grounds;
o enforced disappearance of persons;
o the crime of apartheid;
o other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering or serious bodily or mental injury.

Parties to the ICC Rome Statute:

o Afghanistan
o Albania
o Andorra
o Antigua and Barbuda
o Argentina
o Australia
o Austria
o Bangladesh
o Barbados
o Belgium
o Belize
o Benin
o Bolivia
o Bosnia and Herzegovina
o Botswana
o Brazil
o Bulgaria
o Burkina Faso
o Burundi
o Cambodia
o Canada
o Cape Verde
o Central African Republic
o Chad
o Chile
o Colombia
o Comoros
o Congo
o Cook Islands
o Costa Rica
o Côte d’Ivoire
o Croatia
o Cyprus
o Czech Republic
o Democratic Republic of the Congo
o Denmark
o Djibouti
o Dominica
o Dominican Republic
o Ecuador
o Estonia
o Fiji
o Finland
o France
o Gabon
o Gambia
o Georgia
o Germany
o Ghana
o Greece
o Grenada
o Guatemala
o Guinea
o Guyana
o Honduras
o Hungary
o Iceland
o Ireland
o Italy
o Japan
o Jordan
o Kenya
o Latvia
o Lesotho
o Liberia
o Liechtenstein
o Lithuania
o Luxembourg
o Madagascar
o Malawi
o Maldives
o Mali
o Malta
o Marshall Islands
o Mauritius
o Mexico
o Mongolia
o Montenegro
o Namibia
o Nauru
o Netherlands
o New Zealand
o Niger
o Nigeria
o Norway
o Panama
o Paraguay
o Peru
o Philippines
o Poland
o Portugal
o Republic of Korea
o Republic of Moldova
o Romania
o Saint Kitts and Nevis
o Saint Lucia
o Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
o Samoa
o San Marino
o Senegal
o Serbia
o Seychelles
o Sierra Leone
o Slovakia
o Slovenia
o South Africa
o Spain
o Suriname
o Sweden
o Switzerland
o Tajikistan
o The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
o Timor-Leste
o Trinidad and Tobago
o Tunisia
o Uganda
o United Kingdom
o United Republic of Tanzania
o Uruguay
o Vanuatu
o Venezuela
o Zambia

Debate Format:

First round for acceptance, subsequent two rounds for arghuments.


The Queen

The Queen’s Sovereign Immunity



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The Queen, Her Majesty Elizabeth II, should not be held liable for the alleged "crimes against humanity" committed by Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher during her terms between 4 May 1979 " 28 November 1990. There is not evidence for Prime Minister Thatcher committing any crimes against humanity or any other crimes. Thatcher had ended the illegitimate hostile takeover of the Falkland Islands by Argentina, brought justice to the corrupt Conservative Party, and stood up for women all over the United Kingdom and the world. She restored the British economy, which was called the "sick man of Europe" before her term as PM. The unions had complete power over the country and Britain was a wreck. After she left office, the UK was a major power on the world stage and for the first time since World War II.
Debate Round No. 1


I would like to thank LawrenceTheBeloved for accepting this debate and for posting his rebuttals to which I duly respond as follows:

Thatcher's systematic and cowardly attacks on the working classes ranged from introducing the Poll Tax so that the poor paid more while the rich paid less in local taxes, to selling off huge swathes of publically-owned social housing to the private sector without replacing them and thus causing misery and hardship on a wholesale basis for the most vulnerable people in society, to closing down public nursing and care homes and throwing old and sick people onto the streets to be “cared for by the community”. The problem is the community had their own worries what with Thatcher’s decimation of British industries and record levels of unemployment.

But none of these policies, no matter how heinous and spiteful, represented crimes against humanity.

However, Thatcher’s anti-union laws which restricted working class citizen’s right to protest and blocked their free movement around the country [1] arguably represented “persecution against an identifiable group on political grounds”, which is a crime against humanity.

Since the Queen signed these Thatcherite union-bashing Acts of Parliament into law she must be held responsible for their catastrophic effects, she must be hauled before the ICC and punished for her key role in Thatcher’s brutal, cruel and illegal class war on decent, hard-working British families.

Thank you.


Thatcher’s Union-Bashing Legislation'Anti-Union+Legislation%3A+1980-2000'

The Queen grants Royal Assent to Thatcher’s draconian laws.



LawrenceTheBeloved forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2


Arguments extended, please vote Pro!


LawrenceTheBeloved forfeited this round.
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeiture + breaking rule of acceptance warrants loss of conduct. Con made generalised arguments on thatcher reviving Britain while Pro touched on discriminatory acts done by the supposed 'milk snatcher'. Ultimately, I have to give this to Brian, as his arguments was well structured and well supported, not one which is entirely filled with general claims.

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