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500153327
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Snazzy
Con (against)

The US is a Republic not a Democracy

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Started: 3/2/2018 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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500153327

Pro

The Pledge of Allegiance states "...and to the republic for which it stands...". Moreover we the people of the United States appoint officials, by voting for them, to vote on our behalf, which is the very definition of a republic. We the people of the United States do not vote on laws ourselves neither is this country a mob-rule state. Democracy is majority rules. What about the little guy? That is why we have a republic, so everyone has an equal say, by appointing officials to vote on our behalf, with exception of the President.
Snazzy

Con

Pro has defined democracy as a system of government in which the majority rules (which I interpret as exerts authority). I will show that the (simplified) American government fits Pro's definition of a democracy.

Congressional Elections
Because of the 17th Amendment to the Constitution, Senators are popularly elected [1]. The House of Representatives are also elected by the people as seen in Article 1 of the Constitution, which also gives Congress lawmaking powers [2]. The Supreme Court ruled in US v. Ballin (1892) that a majority of a present quorum is enough to pass a bill [5].

Presidential Elections
Presidents are elected through the Electoral College. Citizens vote in state elections that determine who the electors will vote for. Usually, the candidate who wins the popular vote in the state election gets all of that state's respective electoral votes. There are 538 electors, and a majority of 270 is needed to win the election [3]. If a majority is not reached, the House of Representatives will decide who becomes president out of the three candidates with the most electoral votes [4]. The President is given many powers by the Constitution, including command over the military and the ability to pardon [2].

Therefore, a majority holds authority both directly - with the passage of laws, popular elections of Congressmen, and Supreme Court Cases - and indirectly - by voting in state elections which determine who electors vote for, resulting in a President who acts according to the will of the majority.

[1] https://www.senate.gov...
[2] https://www.archives.gov...
[3] https://www.archives.gov...
[4] https://www.congress.gov...
[5] https://www.law.cornell.edu...
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Posted by lIlIlIllIIIIllIlI 3 years ago
lIlIlIllIIIIllIlI
Con asserts semantics, Pro doesn't assess a proper definition. The debate, when simplified to traditional definitions, acknowledges that the United States is a democracy.
Posted by John_C_1812 3 years ago
John_C_1812
A presidential vote is not a vote on one President. It is the people"s one candidate. The Presidential election is an organized vote on Executive officer who may run against any private President holding grievance as representation of issues of single state presented before United Sates Constitution. The idea of a Presidential election being held only for the election of a President not true, this idea is an expression of the First Amendment, and as such declaration might find he can be relieved of command by military order as O.O.D. What the Executive officer cannot lose that had been gained by the public majority vote to Presidential Candidate is his position of Executive Officer. This is a characteristic unique in its creation to the United States of America and the Republic for which it stands. An officer of the day is still not Executive officer of the Republic.
The delegation of Presidential duty is at time of Oath of office, given verbally as public declaration, before all witnesses, and documented for posterity, to be by a person"s ability not by vote. It is not a competition. Leaving the Executive Officer to be openly relieved by military order of Presidential matters that he may not be aware formed before the United Sates Constitution. As the limit of human ability shall not act as any shield to leave the United States Constitution unrepresented. The reminder here to CON is that Congress and the House also hold Oath of office and can be relieved of command in matters of Constitutional representation of legal Precedent. They will be place before the Supreme Court it is a matter of will it be civil, criminal, or both.
Posted by John_C_1812 3 years ago
John_C_1812
The understanding that is not described well as a unified state is the United States held by a republic America are a condition by the guideline set to the common defense to the general welfare of the people, and its posterity. Set in writing by Constitution. Amendments of the United States Constitution are often described by council, and people alike to be an inalienable right. They are not. Leaving people who vote exposed to United Sates Constitutional law.
The history is the United States Constitution had no legislated law on its creation, for the United States Constitution needed no legislated law to undertake basic forms of separation. The balance of action take had been place according to condition of jury. Impartiality does not need to have a shortcut to resolve all disagreement as a United State of principle. This process is demonstrated by Grand Jury. Law is a method to speed up a process of separation based on basic principle and legal precedent.
The danger of democracy means, and has always meant that a voter can be directed into committing a crime by legislation of law. The most pressing and flagrant would be perjury and fraud as they are often harder to prove against others only. Therefore all Law is Contestable by inalienable right on that basic principle of Constitutional law Vs. Amendment of that law. Laws pasted on a strategic position to form a justification are instantly limited to that justification, leaving all voter as a United State exposed to crime"""""". With no immunity to secure liberty.
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