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The Unholy Marriage

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Started: 8/3/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debater2018

Pro

To know what an unholy marriage is, I think it best to first know what a Holy marriage is.

In (1 Cor. 7:13-14) we read; 'And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, And if he be pleased to dwell with her, Let her not 'leave' [aphiemi- of divorce] him'.
'For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the believing wife, And the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the believing husband: else were your children 'unclean' [akathartos- in a ceremonial sense] but now they are 'holy' [hagios- prepared for God].

The Israelites of the Old Testament were in covenant with God through male circumcision. (Genesis 17:10)
This physical act made the male and his wife and children holy in the eyes of God. There was no guidance as to divorce till many years later when they came under the Law of Moses (Deut. 24:1-4).

According to the New Testament, We get into the New Covenant [which is to be in Christ] by having our spirit circumcised; 'In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, In putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circucision of Christ. '

To be Spiritually circumcised involved our having been 'born again' (Jn. 1-9) and 'Not by works of righteousness which we have done, But according to His mercy He saved us, By the washing of regeneration, And renewing of the Holy Spirit. ' (Titus 3:5)

Whatever marriage does not consist of this, We know is an unholy marriage.
TheHorseNamedWumbo

Con

The issue with your argument is that you assume every marriage is built on a religious structure. To understand what a holy marriage can be considered we must first understand the multiple meanings both marriage and holiness mean to individuals. For example while for a considerable amount of individuals the definition of holy can be:
- something dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred.
For many people, Holy can also mean:
-morally and spiritually excellent.
Where in this case of the definition it does not have to fit within a religious context, Including, The Bible, The Torah, Or any other religious text. Furthermore, For many, Marriage can be something other than just a religious relationship. Marriage can also simply be a legal contract between two individuals in a relationship. This is shown throughout the world as many couples choose to hold their weddings in places of worship or have a religious figure like a priest conducting the wedding. In conclusion, While your definition of an unholy marriage may very well be correct for many couples. It is foolish to assume that an unholy marriage can only be what a religious text dictates it as many couples choose not to live their lives under the law of a religion or religious text.
Debate Round No. 1
Debater2018

Pro

This is a formal debate. Not a casual conversation.
If you didn't want to engage in a formal debate you should not have signed on to do so.

Since you did, Your task is the Negative (Con) and you must address the things within the parameters of the Proposition. (The thing or things that make a marriage unholy) The implication of the Proposition is that God instituted marriage and revealed to us what is a holy and unholy union in His eyes. . . . . Not anyone elses.
TheHorseNamedWumbo

Con

While instead of actually attempting to refute the claims I made in my argument, Pro has decided to criticize my approach to the debate by calling it "casual conversation. " If you have no response to my arguments, Instead of complaining why not forfeit the debate. Furthermore, Despite what you may claim, I have also fulfilled my role as "con" in that I have argued "against" your ridiculous argument. However, If it is examples that the con wants I will provide such. Examples of an unholy marriage that do not fit your narrow definition yet still applies to many couples in progressive societies can include:
-Unfaithful Marriages
- Dishonest Marriages, Etc.

This time in your rebuttal instead of wasting your turn actually provide an argument that can be discussed further throughout the debate.
Debate Round No. 2
Debater2018

Pro

According to the Bible, Unfaithful and dishonest marriages do not mean that they are considered unholy in the eyes of God if at least one is a believer. If the believer is caught up in sin, They will repent. The scriptures do not teach that their marriage itself was unholy in the eyes of God while they were sinning.

Many people have been mistaught that a physical external act performed upon them or a verbal saying upon them makes their union now holy before God. The scriptures say different and they have never changed (no matter how much the church/s may have changed) that the word of God produced in the 1st century.
TheHorseNamedWumbo

Con

The issue with your response, Yet again, Is that you assume that all marriages follow the rules and guidelines of the Bible. As many couples consider unfaithful and dishonest marriages as unholy. Whether or not this is unholy through the eyes of God is irrelevant as the debate topic is not what is an unholy marriage under the eyes of God but, What is an unholy marriage? Clearly, You ignorantly believe that an unholy marriage is one that does not follow the rules of religious scripture which in most cases isn't true.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Debater2018 3 years ago
Debater2018
32doni32nido32,

The scriptures do not teach that in order for a marriage to be considered holy in the eyes of God, That one's mate must be of the opposite physical sex. The scriptures teach that for the marriage to be seen as holy in the eyes of God that at least one of them must be a believer.
Posted by 32doni32nido32 3 years ago
32doni32nido32
None of the verses stated that marriage HAD to be between a man and a woman, Actually. You might want to find some in order to prove that gay MARRIAGE is "unholy".

Also, Yes, This is a debate and not a casual conversation. I'm not sure why you said that, Though, As your opponent, Con, Was treating it like a formal debate.
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