The Universe is Finite

I believe in the absence of an Absolute in our reality; which would make our universe finite.

Though we consider the vast darkness that borders our planet to be somewhat of an enigma, one things is for sure given the technology currently available, the universe (as we know it) is finite. Since its birth, it is theorized that the universe has been in permanent expansion, with galaxies traveling hundreds of thousands of miles per second away from the center of what once was a singularity. Are we to assume that the universe existed before the expansion? Infinitely? Nothing that expands is truly infinite; an example, a cube of ice on the sidewalk on a hot summer day. Before it was put on the sidewalk, the cube was solid ice (singularity), when heat was introduced, the ice started to melt. Is the water surrounding the ice as it melts, infinite? Obviously not, it is slowly expanding until the cube completely melts. Eventually, after being spread out under the sun for so long, the water itself will vaporize , and follow the cycle of water we know and love ever since it was introduced to us in middle school. I think the same will happen to the universe. We still live in a young universe, but, somewhere down the line, energy will cease to exist, and the cycle will begin all over again. The process itself might be infinite, it might be a loop, but, the universe we live in, is finite.

While I agree that universe itself on a special level is finite I think you"re missing a key point here. Time, time is infinite it never stops and it never changes speed. Time is an endless infinity that constantly expands, time is the infinite and a definite subset of our universe, so if the universe is lorded over by time, an infinite property. Then the universe itself is inherently infinite.

Thank you for your response, very insightful!

Before I begin, may I suggest this article :
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu...
It's a good read on this matter if you have time to waste.

You are under the assumption that the universe itself is an entity, ruled by time ("the universe is lorded over by time"), however, before the universe came to being, there was nothing, not even time. Time came about with the expansion of the universe, as the universe is merely the space (or environment) where matter exists and decays. Understand that "time" as we know it, is an illusion; it is a man made construct to "measure" or more precisely predict the decay of energy/particles.
https://www.space.com...
The link above deals more with the illusion of time than space and the universe being finite, but it's a good read on our perception of time and dimensional space.

You also contradicted yourself when you said "time is the infinite and a definite subset of our universe, so if the universe is lorded over by time", how can the universe be lorded over by time, if time is a subset of the universe? I do think you tried to make it sound scientific without any knowledge or background in Set Theory or Discrete Mathematics/Relational Algebra (all deal with sets, subsets, and relationships). Though I do like the way you presented your ideas, they simply do not fit.

You try to make your argument sound philosophically correct by induction, when no supporting evidence (or base evidence for that matter) of the relationship between time and the universe was given. Through your argument, if I had to make a counter argument parallel to your approach, I would use induction to simply say that all matter is ruled over by time, and since time is "infinite", then all matter is inherently immortal (forever lasting, infinite). This is obviously a flawed argument. Why should the universe inherit any properties from anything? The universe is expanding, into what? We don't know, and it's hard to theorize on something that we have little knowledge on, but the universe is expanding, moving, this is a fact. Nothing that expands is infinite.

I look forward to reading your response.

You claimed that everything is finite. I"m sure your familiar with the four dimensions, all four are subsets of our universe. You say time is a measurement of the decay of particles but I don"t necessarily find that to be true. I define time as the infinite progressive sequence of events. I say the universe is lorded over by time in the sense that it is the most important dimension. You say that there was no time before the universe existed. I also find this to be untrue, I think time is always progressing and it doesn"t need to rely on the existence of other dimensions in order to foster itself. Thanks for the response though, I can tell you are very knowledgeable and clearly have thought about this a while. I think this debate is founded on a series of questions that aren"t answered at the moment, so finding any rational conclusion proves to be near impossible. This is just my pure speculation on the topic.