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Akhenaten
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Lemon187
Con (against)

The corona virus is a fraud

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Started: 6/1/2021 Category: Science
Updated: 1 month ago Status: Debating Period
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Akhenaten

Pro

You have been deceived by the media, Government, Pharmaceutical companies and doctors. It has been known for at least 150 years that germs do not cause disease. This was proven by a biologist by the name of Antoine Bechamp. He was a contemporary of Louis Pasteur. It was proven that germs are the result of a disease and are not the cause of it. Recent technology and understanding of vitamins has further confirmed this information. Disease is unnatural and doesn"t occur by itself in nature. Humans have strayed from nature by growing cereal crops to store for the winter period when foods are scarce. Unfortunately, There is a hidden cost in eating grain food. When plants make a seed they add toxic chemicals and sharp edges to discourage foraging animals from eating grass seeds and some tree seeds. When animals eat grain seeds the toxic chemicals and sharp edges irritate the gut causing inflammation of the gut lining. (leaky gut syndrome) This causes gaps in the gut lining to expand which allows gut bacteria and food material to enter the bloodstream. Also, Grain is deficient in vitamins which humans need. Grain is a high octane fuel designed for birds. When humans eat grain it causes an acceleration of their metabolic rate and a small increase in body temperature. A doctor would call this a fever. But this fever is not caused by germs, But by fast digesting sugars from grain, Alcohol, Milk and refined sugar sources. This is the true cause of 99% of all human disease. Note - Junk food causes disease, Not germs. That"s why coronavirus mostly occurs on cruise ships, Nursing homes, Theme parks and fast food outlets. There is only one human disease which is called vitamin deficiency disease. There are not thousands of different diseases. There is no such thing as viruses. I know, Because I have worked in an electron microscope unit where I learnt how to use all the equipment. I also learnt about the electron microscope"s limitations as well. An electron microscope wouldn"t be able to find a "virus, " if in fact; they did exist. You can"t photograph what you can"t find. All alleged photos of viruses are blurry images. Why? This is a deliberate deception because viruses don"t exist, So they have to make the photos unclear so that nobody can see that the photos are of cell debris and are not photos of viruses. The electron microscope can see individual atoms so there can be no excuse for not having clear and precise images of so-called "viruses". The average age of people dying from so called "COVID 19" is 79. 5 years of age which is the exact same as the average life expectancy. Thus, There has been no decrease in life expectancy which means nothing has changed. Common diseases like heart attack and influenza are renamed COVID 19, So don"t be fooled by medical and government officials who hope to gain profit, Power, Money and population control from this huge global scam. Help to stop this medical system dictatorship. Sign petitions against forced vaccinations. References - Virus Mania by Torsten Engelbrecht and The Medical Racket by Wade Frazier.
Lemon187

Con

The coronavirus COVID-19 is in fact not a fraud. I have 3 points to make against your supposed argument.
1. Antoine B"champ's supposed germ theory denialism is the promotion of his own theory of infectious disease, Called the pleomorphic theory of disease. It states that microbes go through 3 prominent stages throughout their lifetime. And that germs are simply attracted to diseased or sick tissue. However, Robert Koch, A scientist who conducted various experiments on infectious disease at the time, Found that if blood taken from cows infected with anthrax was inserted into healthy laboratory mice, The mice would also contract anthrax. He then stated four postulates (which are now known as Koch's postulates, And accepted worldwide) in relation to his experiments on infectious disease. Number 3 of these said postulates states that "The disease must be reproduced when a pure culture of the microorganism alleged to cause the illness is inserted into a healthy, Susceptible host organism". Seeing as different microorganisms will cause different symptoms in hosts which otherwise would be healthy, It can be said that germs are not attracted to diseased tissue, Like B"champ said; rather, Germs cause disease. Otherwise, Microorganisms of all types would be present in diseased tissue, Rather than there being a certain set of microorganisms found in hosts with certain symptoms. Therefore, The pleomorphic theory of disease is incorrect, At least with the evidence that has been discovered by science as of now. Most doctors and scientific researchers would agree with me.

2. Transmission electron microscopes can view both atoms and viruses, That is true. However, With new technology, The visualization of viruses have become clearer, And the pictures are obviously not of cell debris. This is a very short section of my argument, Because it speaks for itself. There is no conspiracy to be had about the documentation of the viruses and their supposed "blurriness", Because, In fact, They are around the same visual quality as atoms.

3. The average age of people dying from COVID-19 is because it targets people in older age groups. The average life expectancy has no relation to this, As it is based off of every single person's age at the time of death, While the COVID-19 death age average is only targeted to the people who die from COVID-19, Which makes the two data groups incomparable. Also, It is extremely immature to call the virus a fraud and a fake created by the media, Government, And medical institutions. What possible motivation could they have behind killing millions of people behind the name of a "fraud"? Also, If they did want to kill a massive amount of people, Why would some of the people infected by the virus recover, If you call it a "fraud"?

Please consider my above points.
Debate Round No. 1
Akhenaten

Pro

It should be noted that it was Bechamp who first to come up with the terrain theory of disease. It was only later, That Pasteur created his own theory which is the exact opposite of the terrain theory of disease. This was done because the terrain theory of disease was a threat to all the chemists in the world. Note - Bechamp was a biologist and Pasteur was a chemist. The terrain theory of disease would have meant that chemistry would become a lesser science due to the fact that chemicals couldn't be used as a form of medicine. This would be a disaster for the pharmaceutical industry. Thus, The chemists got together and destroyed Bechamp's research facilities and discredited his research papers. Note - Pasteur's own research papers were locked away in a safe for 100 years so that nobody could see that the germ theory of disease was a complete fraud. This fraud is examined in detail in 2 books - Bechamp vs Pasteur by Ethel D. Hume and The private Science of Louis Pasteur by Gerald L. Geison. These 2 books show that Pasteur was a nasty anti-hero who deceived, Tricked and manipulated people. He stole other people's ideas and called these ideas his own ideas. He could do this because he married the rectors daughter and was in a position of power and authority at a prominent university.

Quote - "Found that if blood taken from cows infected with anthrax was inserted into healthy laboratory mice, The mice would also contract anthrax. "

Reply - Note - In nature, Disease doesn't transmit disease via a hypodermic needle. This can only be done artificially and has nothing to do with natural disease occurrence. Thus, The experiment is totally useless.

Quote - "The disease must be reproduced when a pure culture of the micro organism alleged to cause the illness is inserted into a healthy, Susceptible host organism".

Reply - This has never been proven in any laboratory experiment.

Quote - "The visualization of viruses have become clearer, And the pictures are obviously not of cell debris. This is a very short section of my argument, Because it speaks for itself. "

Reply - The main reason this is a very short section is because it is a very weak argument. A virus would be thousands of times larger than a single atom. Thus, Even if the photo of the single atom is a little blurry, Then, When you use that same resolution on a much larger object such as a virus, Then, According to common sense and the science of logic, The object should be as clear as crystal and not blurry at all. Note - The electron microscope is a single beam of electrons and uses no lenses. Thus, Blurry aberrations are impossible. I know, Because I have developed prints for scientists in a lab.

Quote - "The average age of people dying from COVID-19 is because it targets people in older age groups. The average life expectancy has no relation to this, As it is based off of every single person's age at the time of death, While the COVID-19 death age average is only targeted to the people who die from COVID-19, Which makes the two data groups incomparable. "

Reply - The average age of people dying from Covid - 19 is higher than the average age of death overall. Thus, This information is in my favour and doesn't support your argument at all. Thus, I don't understand what it is that you are rambling on about?

Quote - "Also, It is extremely immature to call the virus a fraud and a fake created by the media, Government, And medical institutions. What possible motivation could they have behind killing millions of people behind the name of a "fraud"? Also, If they did want to kill a massive amount of people, Why would some of the people infected by the virus recover, If you call it a "fraud"?

Reply - They haven't killed anybody. The average age of death has increased during the so called "pandemic". Note - You can only declare a pandemic if the mortality rate decreases. You can't declare a pandemic if the mortality rate is increasing. Therein lies the fraud and deception. It is just a money making exercise which has been initiated by the pharmaceutical industry. Why? Refer to a court case in 2016 Stefan Lanka vs David Bardens. This case proved that viruses don't exist. Thus, The current artificial pandemic is just a reaction to a perceived threat to the credibility of the pharmaceutical industry which occurred in 2016-17 after the Stuttgart Court declared virologist Stefan Lanka the winner.
Lemon187

Con

First things first, B"champ was not actually the first one to come up with the terrain theory; Claude Bernard did.

In response to your first response : In fact, Anthrax, The same disease mentioned in the experiment, Can be infected via anthrax spores entering through lacerations in the skin. This is called cutaneous anthrax, And it is the most common of three routes of infection anthrax can infect people by. Therefore, Injecting anthrax with a hypodermic needle is perfectly reasonable, And it will yield the same results as natural infection.

In response to your second. This was one of Koch's postulates, Which are used to identify microorganisms causing certain diseases. He conducted various experiments on the matter, And a simple search on a search engine will provide you with some example. My point was to show that, If B"champ was correct, Then the healthy host organisms would not have shown symptoms comparable to the original hosts. If microbes only become a threat when tissue is diseased, Then why do healthy people get sick when injected with disease samples, Or vaccines?

In response to your third : In fact pictures of viruses are clearer than atoms by miles. Here are a picture of a virus and an atom, Respectively :
https://www. Ucsf. Edu/sites/default/files/2020-01/SARS-coronavirus-NIH. Jpg
https://qph. Fs. Quoracdn. Net/main-qimg-ee14781abe335c73e6669b30a6f92f05. Webp

I argued with you on the basis that pictures of atoms and viruses are the same quality, When they are in fact not : pictures of viruses are in fact a LOT clearer. As you can see, The picture of the virus is clearly not "cell debris".

In response to your third : This actually does not support your argument; this is simply a statement that the COVID-19 mortality age rate is because of its tendency to target older people. Meanwhile, Death in general does not have a more vulnerable target group.

Finally, In response to your last reply : there is no way to say that the government has killed no one : I have seen with my own eyes someone dying of COVID-19. People I KNEW have died of COVID. How do you explain away the sudden passing away of millions of people? You cannot simply "rename" heart attacks as the coronavirus, Which is a mainly respiratory disease.
Debate Round No. 2
Akhenaten

Pro

"In order to defend a lie, You must tell an even bigger lie". A famous quote from Akhenaten.

Now, Let's see what you have served up this time. Hmmm? Your replies are getting very brief and short lately. Is that because you have no real evidence so you are just trying to cut your loses by saying as little as possible so that you will represent a much smaller target for me to shoot down? Surely not!

Quote - "In response to your second. This was one of Koch's postulates, Which are used to identify microorganisms causing certain diseases. He conducted various experiments on the matter, And a simple search on a search engine will provide you with some example. My point was to show that, If B"champ was correct, Then the healthy host organisms would not have shown symptoms comparable to the original hosts. If microbes only become a threat when tissue is diseased, Then why do healthy people get sick when injected with disease samples, Or vaccines? "

Reply - Now, If you are a chemist who is under threat of being pushed into oblivion by the terrain theory of disease are you going to do any legitimate experiments do prove that the terrain theory is right? Or are you going to secretly manipulate the experiments so you get the result that favours chemistry as a science? Are you going to slip in a little arsenic into the specimen so that the mice will die on queue? Yeah! You bet yah!

Note - The pharmaceutical industry is a gangster/mafia organisation and can't be trusted as a certifying body or as a self proclaimer of sincerity, Virtue, Honesty or integrity of any description. Thus, All the experiments that they produce will be tampered with and the results will be self-serving nonsense. Big Pharma is out the take over the world and has already taken control of politicians, Police, Government and even the local boy scouts. There is very little time and space to protest about what is happening here. Your time is running out before we are in a 1984 Orwellian nightmare world which is heading your way very soon. Covid -19 is just a cover for a totalitarian police state. They have infinite resources and money to stop any revolution against them. The media will beat you down if you try to protest.

Quote - "In response to your third : In fact pictures of viruses are clearer than atoms by miles. Here are a picture of a virus and an atom, Respectively :"

Reply - The photos of the corona virus that you have supplied are still very blurry and out of focus while the photos of atoms from the AZO Nano site shows atoms which are much clearer and much more sharply focused. In considering that a so called "virus" would be thousands of times larger that a single atom, It would only be logical that the photos of viruses using the same instrument would be as clear and as sharp as a tack and have no blurriness or aberration's at all.

Note - The corona of a so called "corona virus" is just a cell which is surrounded by fungal growth. When you leave any protein or deceased living matter for a while, A layer of fungal growth will soon appear if left exposed to the air. This is what you are seeing. Note - The true dimensions of the object in question have been omitted because this would expose the scam.

Quote - "I have seen with my own eyes someone dying of COVID-19. People I KNEW have died of COVID. How do you explain away the sudden passing away of millions of people? You cannot simply "rename" heart attacks as the coronavirus, Which is a mainly respiratory disease. "

Reply - You still don't get it? I have explained that the statistics have been rearranged to give the illusion of a pandemic. There is only one human disease which is called vitamin deficiency disease. Thus, If your friends have died before their natural time was due it's because they were eating a poor diet which lacked vitamins. Dairy, Grain and refined sugar lack vitamins and cause leaky gut syndrome. These foods cause allergic reactions which can cause lung congestion and breathing difficulties resulting in early death. Viruses have nothing to do with it. Your body contains 10, 000 species of bacteria which live in the gut. If you eat inappropriate foods these bacteria will escape their confinement in the gut and get into your blood supply. This will result in toxemia and malfunction of body organs.
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Debate Round No. 5
6 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 6 records.
Posted by Akhenaten 1 month ago
Akhenaten
You should be buried 10 feet under. 6 feet wouldn't be deep enough for my liking. Lol
Posted by Hezikiah 1 month ago
Hezikiah
Dimwit, Stick to cutting and pasting. You do a great job. . . . And don't forget Lol
Posted by Akhenaten 1 month ago
Akhenaten
Stick to knitting as a hobby. Lol
Posted by yanafcamm 1 month ago
yanafcamm
Technically I think this debate is misleading. The "novel" (MEANING NEW! ) SARS-CoV-2 which is what the official name of the virus. It has been known for a while, Yes, But the strand that was causing the deaths was brand new.
Posted by Akhenaten 1 month ago
Akhenaten
Doves my cry.
Posted by dovebayarea 1 month ago
dovebayarea
Why are you posting the same debate over and over again? You know will lose each and every time.
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