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Factsman
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Anonymous

The second amendment should be completely abolished

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Started: 5/14/2018 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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Factsman

Con

I do not think you should abolish the second amendment. There are about 11,000 gun homicides a year. However, 500,000-3000000 lives are saved through the defensive use of a firearm a year. And that's from the CDC (a government-funded source). And for the record, more than 4/5 of the gun homicides are committed by illegal firearm owners. They bought them illegally (Washington Post). Guns also protect against a tyrannical government. Abolishing the second amendment would mean sending the entire U.S. military (1.4 million people) and swatting 150,000,000 people, to take their guns. And you would not be taking the guns from people who bought them illegally because their purchases do not go into the system.

(this was from our last argument that you did not respond to)

Pro

Since 1791, the United States has had the second amendment which is a law that allows US citizens to carry guns. As a result, within the past six years, there have been over 1600 shootings in the US resulting in thousands of lost lives. Because of this I am for the resolution, The United States should abolish the Second Amendment.

Observation 1: Definitions

Abolish: To formally put an end to.
Source: Dictionary.com

Second Amendment: An amendment to the US constitution, guaranteeing the right to bear and keep arms.

Observation 2: harms

Harm 1: The Second Amendment has resulted in a dramatic increase in crime rates
Support: The Second Amendment has guaranteed the right to carry guns. However, some states decided that guns are not allowed. All of the other states that did allow guns between the years 1977-2010 had a 2% increase in murder rates and at least a 9% increase in rates of rape, aggravated assault, robbery, auto theft, burglary, and larceny. This shows that guns not only have an effect on murder rates but also other serious crimes as well. If we abolished the second amendment, all states would have a dramatic decrease in crime.
Source: National Bureau of Economic Research

Harm 2: Guns have resulted in many tragic accidents over the years
Support: Of the 32,000 gun deaths in America in 2011, 591 were due to accidental discharge, and an additional 248 were due to undetermined intent. That makes it where 2.59% of all gun deaths are by accident. Since then, the numbers haven't changed much. In 2017, 1300 children were killed by either an accident or a murder with guns. What does this tell us? Even if your intentions right, even if you just have a gun for self-defense, there is always a huge possibility that you will misfire.
Source: Quora.com

Harm 3: Guns are rarely used in self-defense
Many people use self-defense as a primary reason to hold guns. But a study has shown that only 0.79% of people actually use their gun as a means of protection or a threat. Defense is the primary reason people carry guns. But there is absolutely no use if we aren't actually using the gun.
Source: Inter Consortium of Political and Social Research

Observation 3: Plan

Mandates: The US passes a law against concealed carry. Now obviously, there are going to be some people that refuse to give up their gun. For this reason, we need to make a threat. The government would pass a law saying that they have a right under reasonable suspicion to go through your house at any moment and search it. If they find a gun, you are sentenced to 6 months of federal prison or a fine of $250,000. This way, the number of people who turn in their guns will skyrocket dramatically.
Agency: The government
Funding: By Normal Means
Enforcement: Supreme Court

Observation 3: Advantages
Advantage 1: Crime rates would decrease
Support: Taking away the things that increase crime will decrease crime. Because the states that did not have guns legal had a decrease in crime, it only makes sense that banning guns would make it nationwide.
Source: National Bureau of Economic Research

Advantage 2: The rate of tragic accidents will decline. You cannot accidentally stab someone or punch someone. You can however accidentally shoot someone and it has happened.
In 2016 there were 161,374 deaths from unintentional injuries, the overall 3rd ranking cause of death that year.
From 2006-2016, almost 6,885 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings. In 2016 alone, there were 495 incidents of accidental firearm deaths.
Accidental gun deaths occur mainly in those under 25 years old. In 2014, 2,549 children (age 0-19) died by gunshot and an additional 13,576 were injured.
Source: www.aftermath.com

Advantage 3: Self defense will be left to well-trained officers, not inexperienced citizens.
Just because citizens rarely use guns, doesn't mean the police won't. They take their job, as not only the right but the privilege to protect the citizens of the US. They are the ones we can trust, and they are the only ones that we can know will come to the rescue every time.

Conclusion: The US should make concealed carry illegal. It not only has an effect on crime but many other serious things as well.
Debate Round No. 1
Factsman

Con

"The Second Amendment has resulted in a dramatic increase in crime rates."- not accurate.
Chicago has the strictest gun laws in America. And also has the most homicide rate. An FBI statistical report also shows that when states legislate new gun laws, their homicide rate increases 27.2%.

"Of the 32,000 gun deaths in America..."
*More than half were suicides.

"Guns are rarely used in self-defense"
There are about 11,000 gun homicides a year. However, 500,000-3000000 lives are saved through the defensive use of a firearm a year. (CDC) Did you read my last argument?

"Observation 3: Plan"
Your "Plan" would lead this country into a civil war.

Let's do some math.

Possession without a license: first offense: up to two years in prison or jail, a fine of up to $500, or both. And that is just with handguns. So people who bought guns illegally, won't give it up. Because they would be in bigger trouble if they do. More than 4/5 of the gun homicides is committed by illegal firearm owners. They bought them illegally (Washington Post) (www.cga.ct.gov)
4/5 multiplied by 11,000 (which is the total gun homicides.) You get 8,800. So abolishing the death penalty would save 2,200 people. However, around 3,000,000 people are saved by defensive use of firearms. So when you take their guns away, the homicide rate would jump from 8,800 to 3,008,800.

Abolishing the 2nd amendment would increase the homicide rate drastically.
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Posted by Anonymous 3 years ago
american_citzen
Even the thinking of taken away the second amendment at anytime proves you are unamerican. The taking away of the second amendment would lead to the complete downfall of the United States of America. The fact is that with no guns or weapons, murders, rapists, and robbers would be able to attack us without us defending ourselves easily. They will obtain weapons most likely illegally and we could no have them. Sure people are dying and that is their right to life. However, the ninth amendment says that we have the right to not lose our rights because of someone else's rights. Therefore the abolishment of the second amendment would lead to the abolishment of the ninth amendment followed by all the other amendments finally ending with a lawless society where government rules with an iron fist. In which case we start another revolutionary war. You cannot take away our right without destroying all your rights with it. I personally would fight against the government to bring back my rights if some lunatic in the government somehow takes away my rights. Any of them I would fight for
Posted by Anonymous 3 years ago
ConserativeDemocrat
Con, I hope you realize that the CDC's numbers are off significantly.

http://home.uchicago.edu...

They estimate the number of "DGUs" happen at a number lower than 100,000 cases per year. And, there's no guarantee that if these people would be killed if they didn't have a gun.

There's a reason why America has the highest murder rate in the developed world.
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