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Capitalistslave
Pro (for)
The Contender
TheAntiFeminist
Con (against)

The united states' defense budget should be decreased by at least $200 billion

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Started: 4/10/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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Capitalistslave

Pro

Please don't accept if you're going to forfeit

The past two times I tried this debate, the contender forfeited. I suspect this might have been the case because they found that they couldn't refute my points perhaps, since they were online during the time it was their turn to post. So, please, don't accept if you're going to forfeit. Take a look at what I argued previously for this debate: http://www.debate.org...
If you think this is something you can't argue against, then don't accept. I would like to debate someone who can argue against it and doesn't forfeit. If you don't have the time within the next week to do this debate, also don't accept please.

Now, I will be arguing in favor of the above proposition in the title. My opponent may take any of the following positions:
1) That the current defense budget should be decreased by a smaller amount than I propose
2) That the current defense budget should remain the same
3) That the current defense budget should be increased.

I believe we should both share the burden of proof, but I am willing to settle for something else if my opponent convinces me I should have the burden of proof(tell me in comments before accepting the debate that you think the burden of proof should be on me and reasons why). What I believe my opponent should prove is that the United States currently needs to spend the amount they propose. What I will try to prove is that we don't need as much of a defense budget that my opponent proposes, and that we should at least decrease it by $200 billion and that we can afford to do that in terms of not being too weak if we had it lowered by that much.

Current facts:
The current US defense budget for fiscal year 2017, is $582.7 billion[1]

Rules of this debate:
1) No ad hominem, personal attacks, or insults
2) The total number of rounds used for argument should be the total you see here minus 1. This is to keep the total number of rounds used for argument between us even, since I am not using round 1 for argument. My opponent may begin their arguments in round 1 if they choose, but should waive round 4 if they do that. They may do the opposite if they wish though.
3) The last round of argument should just be rebuttals and/or conclusions. No new arguments in this round. New facts and statistics can be shown, but only in rebuttal to your opponent's arguments.
4) The first round of argument should just be main arguments, no rebuttals this round. So, if you are second to post, you should not rebut what your opponent said directly.

Violation of the above rules is justification for voters to give the person who did not violate these rules the point in conduct

Sources:
[1] https://www.defense.gov...
TheAntiFeminist

Con

I'm willing to take this on. I do warn you that my computer tends to crash and I have the memory of a disabled asparagus, but I think I am up to the task. I'll allow you to make your points first.
Debate Round No. 1
Capitalistslave

Pro

I hope you don't mind that I copy and paste what I said in the previous debate. It's faster that way and more convenient.

I am just curious what my opponent believes between the 3 positions I offered for you above: should the defense budget be decreased by a smaller amount, stay the same, or increased?

The military is wasteful with its allocated funds
First, I wish to point out that there is massive waste that goes on in the military. Trillions of dollars per decade are wasted in the military for bureaucratic nonsense from the pentagon[1], to useless projects[2][3], to the military having to spend everything that is given to them or else they won't be approved for more money. Seriously, I've heard stories where soldiers have to fire all of their bullets before the end of the fiscal year so that they can be approved for new ones, if they instead were able to save those bullets, that would save some money. So, already nearly a hundred billion in military spending can be saved every year if we cut back on wasteful spending. There is easily 100 billion a year that is wasted by the military. If we cut back on this waste, we could cut the military budget by 100 billion. I'll point out where the other 100 billion will come from.

Do we even need a majority of our military bases overseas?
Next, I'll point out the the US military has bases all over the world that require maintenance. There is no good reason for us to be in those other countries for the most part. Let those countries defend themselves. The US spends over $150 billion a year on over-seas bases [4], and when was the last time we've had a war in Europe, for example? World war 2? We only need bases in the middle east at this point since that's all where we have enemies, so we can get rid of a vast majority of the bases we have, I'd say at least 2/3 of them, which is where the other 100 billion will come from(since 2/3 of 150 billion is 100 billion). There is really no good reason to keep these bases, for they are not necessary for us to protect ourselves which is all we should be worried about. If a war were ever to happen where our ally is declared war upon, we can simply ship our troops over there, and we don't need the bases to be there to be maintained every year. It is far cheaper to ship our troops when the time comes that we need troops in Europe, than to keep a reserve of troops there.

Even with this decrease of $200 billion, we would still be the country which spends the most on its military
The very next country below us who spends the second most amount on their military, is China. They spend only $215 billion a year on their military[5]. If we decreased our military budget by the proposed $200 billion, we would still be spending $382 Billion, more than $150 billion than China spends.

The money we are over-spending on our military, could be used for better causes
This money could be used for other more important things... such as paying off our debt or at least balancing our budget. It's insane how much debt the US has piled up, and everyone should be worried about our debt. We need to cut spending, or else increase taxes. I suggest cutting spending so that people don't have even more money stolen from them by the government.

I've basically argued all of my points and I turn this over to my opponent.

Sources:
[1] https://www.usnews.com...
[2] https://www.forbes.com...
[3] http://www.wwfor.org...
[4] http://www.mintpressnews.com...
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org...

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Posted by Capitalistslave 1 year ago
Capitalistslave
AlphaNick: Ah okay, no worries
Posted by AlphaNick 1 year ago
AlphaNick
I just want to say, I apologize for forfeiting. I forgot about the debate for about a day and a half, when I got back on I realized I wouldn't have time to refute your points. They were very well put together, and I hadn't really accepted knowing what I was getting into. Good luck!
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