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LifeMeansGodIsGood
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CarterWale
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There Is No Sure Hope if Jesus Christ is Not Risen From the Dead

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LifeMeansGodIsGood
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/29/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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LifeMeansGodIsGood

Pro

My opponent must show sure hope apart from the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Sure hope is gauranteed. For this debate, I do not need to prove Jesus Chrst rose from the grave bodily, though I assert that He did. This debate is a challenge for anybody to show a hope that can be gauranteed other than the hope of eternal life that God promises in the resurrected Saviour who is the Creator who died to pay for our sins to buy us back from the fire of Hell.

If Jesus Chrsit is not risen from the dead, there is still no sure hope, so if He is not risen from the dead in only bolsters my assertion that there is no sure hope. The resurrection of Jesus Christ is the only thing my opponent cannot use to show sure hope........or my opponent is agreeing with me and there is no debate.

Try to prove me wrong, tell me what hope you can be sure of without Jesus Christ.
CarterWale

Con

I accept. And though I am a Christian, I first want you to prove to me that Christianity real, and once you prove that we can move onto the main topic.
I cant start my argument without you proving " There Is No Hope If Jesus Christ Is Not Risen From The Dead"
So I will give you a head start to arguing then I will counter-argue.
Debate Round No. 1
LifeMeansGodIsGood

Pro

For this debate which in the first round you have declined to argue, it does not matter if Jesus Christ is risen from the dead or not, it does not matter if the Bible is true or not. If Jesus is not risen from the dead, there is no sure hope. If He is risen from the dead, then He is the sure hope. Proving Christianity or disproving Christianity is not the issue. The issue is that you......YOU.........have no sure hope if Jesus Christ is not risen from the dead. The only sure hope you cannot argue in favor of in this debate would be the sure hope there is if Jesus Christ is risen from the dead.

Do you have sure hope apart from the resurrection of Jesus Christ, if He is risen or not? What is your sure hope? Do you have any sure hope? Tell me what your sure hope is. I say you have none. Do you have any sure hope? If you can't explain how you have sure hope, I will have to assume you have no sure hope and I was right in my opening argument.
CarterWale

Con

To answer your question, I have sure hope, but not from the hope that Jesus is risen from the dead. My sure hope is growing up, getting an education, raising a family, and not basing my life on a few thousand year old book.
I want to know why you think you have no sure hope if Christ is not risen from the dead? Proving Christianity is the issue because how am i supposed to have sure hope in Jesus Christ rising if im not sure he is a(the) Savior?
So yes I have sure hope, but not in Jesus Christ rising from the dead.
Debate Round No. 2
LifeMeansGodIsGood

Pro

The things you are calling "sure hope" are nothing but wishes and dreams that you hope will come true but could easily be denied from you by circumstances. You can't be sure your dreams and wishes for your life in the world will come to pass. You can work to try to make things happen, but you can't be sure they will happen. You have no sure hope apart from the resurrection of Jesus Christ. For this debate, we can assume Jesus Christ is not risen from the dead. If He is not risen from the dead, you have no sure hope. In assuming Jesus Christ is not risen from the dead, we do not need to argue whether the Bible and Christianity is true, for this debate it can be assumed to be false, and there is no sure hope.

You have not shown any sure hope.......you have shown sincere desire to see your wants, wishes, and dreams cone true and you do have hope they will come true so you can work toward making them reality, but your hope cannot be guaranteed. Those same hopes have been dashed in multitudes of people through war, sudden death, or trauma.
Sure hope is guaranteed and cannot be withheld, denied, or revoked by any circumstances or any person or any thing.


I really do hope your dreams of growing up, getting an education and raising a family come true and I wish I could guarantee it all for you, but I am not God and I cannot tell you that you can have sure hope in these things. Keep on hoping, but brace yourself for the possibility that your hopes may be dashed.

A side note here that is really not part of the debate: how can you claim to be a Christian and say "I have sure hope, but not in Jesus Christ rising from the dead." Hope in the resurrection of Jesus Christ is the basis of Christianity.
How can you claim to be a Christian and say "My sure hope is............. not basing my life on a few thousand year old book." This book you are belittling is the Bible, The Book, The basis of Christianity. What do you think makes you a Christian?
CarterWale

Con

CarterWale forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
LifeMeansGodIsGood

Pro

I hope my opponent is still with us, though I'm not sure he is still with us. My hope will be disappointed and is now unsure of my opponents continuation in this debate.
CarterWale

Con

CarterWale forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
LifeMeansGodIsGood

Pro

I hope my opponent is still with us, though I'm not sure he is still with us. My hope will be disappointed and is now unsure of my opponents continuation in this debate.
CarterWale

Con

CarterWale forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by NathanDuclos 7 years ago
NathanDuclos
I feel slightly used, Pro is in the same debate with me at the same time. . . .
Posted by LifeMeansGodIsGood 7 years ago
LifeMeansGodIsGood
Sure hope seems to be a self-conradictory term only for those who have no sure hope.
Posted by LifeMeansGodIsGood 7 years ago
LifeMeansGodIsGood
Sure hope is when a promise is gauranteed. If my opponent claims to have sure hope in anything, I will question how my opponent can be sore of getting what he or she hopes for.
Posted by evangambit 7 years ago
evangambit
And "sure hope" is sort of a contradiction ("is it really hope if it is certain, etc.")
Posted by evangambit 7 years ago
evangambit
And, while I'm not a participant, here's a comment from the peanut gallery: Strictly speaking Pro can just argue "there is no sure hope", regardless of the act of Jesus rising from the dead.
Posted by evangambit 7 years ago
evangambit
My apologies for not returning to this site earlier. I'm not interested in accepting this, but I look forward to a good debate. Best of luck to both sides.
Posted by ArcTImes 7 years ago
ArcTImes
The problem is that hope by definition can't be sure lol. It is a desire, a feeling something is going to happen even if you are not sure. It may be an educated guess, but never sure about it.
Posted by LifeMeansGodIsGood 7 years ago
LifeMeansGodIsGood
You have no sure hope, or you would tell me what your sure hope is...My opponent is dodging the debate. It does not matter in this debate if Christ is risen from the dead or not. The point is that you have no sure hope if He is not. For this debate you can aruge christianity is untrue and explain what your sure hope is. I will not disagree with you if you want to say Christianity cannot be proven in this debate. That is not the issue. The debate is about your hope.....what is your hope, is it wishful thinking or is it sure hope. Do you have any sure hope? If you cannot tell me what your sure hope is, then you are puttign up no argument.
Posted by LifeMeansGodIsGood 7 years ago
LifeMeansGodIsGood
The debate is to prove there is sure hope without Jesus Christ, so in this debate we can pretend He was nobody special, or even the He was not a real historical person and all the stories about Him are mythical and basically fairy tales.
Posted by LifeMeansGodIsGood 7 years ago
LifeMeansGodIsGood
Con has poted no argumetnt. In this debate it does not matter if Jesus Christ Risen or not......He is risen, but if He is not there is no sure hope and if He is there is no other sure hope. My opponent is dodging the debate. I think my opponent has no sure hope even though he says he is a Christian. If my opponent cannot explain what sure hope he has, i say he has none.
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Vote Placed by Sagey 7 years ago
Sagey
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Reasons for voting decision: Argument wise there was little difference. Pro scores the better conduct point due to Con's Forfeit.
Vote Placed by lannan13 7 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeiture

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