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There is no such thing as false hope

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Started: 1/19/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 14 years ago Status: Voting Period
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stevster

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Hope, by definition is "the feeling that what is wanted can be had or that events will turn out for the best" and because it is that feeling you really cant have a false sense of hope. If you hope for something then you have hope, no matter how slim the actual chances of you realizing your dream (or what you hope for) is, you can still have hope and hope can never be false.
Randomknowledge

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I beleive that there is such a thing as false hope, its all in how you look at the situation. Drectly from wikipedia and a dictionary, false hope is described as a hope based entirely around a fantasy or an extremely unlikely outcome. Let me give you a few examples. first of all, lets say you are the right age but not of american descent. You were born in, say, Austria. The U.S. Laws say to be President a person must be at least 35 years of age, a natural-born citizen of the United States and a resident of this country for at least 14 years. This has not been changed since its inception. If you hope to be President and you are from Austria, then your hopes are dashed and you now have had false hope. This is where you re wrong. False hope does exist.
Debate Round No. 1
stevster

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However, in that example there at the time you still thought that you could be president, there was hope. The hope itself was never really false. Im looking at the words literally and seeing that logically..... any hope one has, isnt false because it is still a hope.
Randomknowledge

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Hello stevster, and with the way you are looking at it, there is no such thing as false hope. Let me bring up the definition of false:

not in accordance with the fact or reality or actuality; "gave false testimony under oath"; "false tales of bravery"
arising from error; "a false assumption"; "a mistaken view of the situation"
erroneous and usually accidental; "a false start"; "a false alarm"
deliberately deceptive; "hollow (or false) promises"; "false pretenses"
delusive: inappropriate to reality or facts; "delusive faith in a wonder drug"; "delusive expectations"; "false hopes"
designated to decieve "a suitcase with a false bottom"

These definitions show something other than what you are using as a definition of false. I am looking at the words just as logically as you are, and I see false as misleading, not fake. I agree that hope is always, much as you hope when you order a big mac that it is going to be less that a few grams of fat. That is false hope because it is misleading and erroneous, showing you the wrong hopes to have.
Debate Round No. 2
stevster

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stevster forfeited this round.
Randomknowledge

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Ok, this is the first time that I have had an opponent forfeit a debate for a round. I will bring up some more proof that there is false hope

The term false hope refers to a hope based entirely around a fantasy or an extremely unlikely outcome.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

By this definition, false hop happens all the time. When you fall asleep at your desk fantasizing about the girl next to you, or are down 10,500 dollars in poker and your going all in on a seven-two off suit, or you get caught in the rain with only your twenty page english report to protect you and two minutes till class. These are all unfortunate situations that we all know would hate to have happen.

Thank you and I hope you respond within the alotted time.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by handsofamusician 3 years ago
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Ok, I usually play devil"s advocate just for fun. But the forceiture of the debate has allowed philosophical, logical, and definitional confusions of all kinds to creep into this discussion that seemed to be over a very long time before I got here. Addressing the comment at the bottom might be the easiest way to articulate my viewpoint. The simple answer is that you don"t have the false hope that the Easter Bunny will bring you a million dollars. First of all, you"re neither ingnorant nor stupid enough to hope that might happen. Saying that you hope it will happen, assuming you"re not completely delusional, is an outright lie. You don"t believe that the Easter Bunny"in the sense that you"re invoking"even exists. You may very well WISH that the Easter Bunny existed and that he (or she) would bring you a whole bunch of money. But you don"t hope it"s going to happen. Furthermore, I don"t care what Wikipedia says about the supposed definition of false hope. How we use words changes over time, and enough uniformity in widespread change in usage can become linguistically entrenched that we come to accept changes in meaning and definition ("ironic" and "literally" are two cases in point). That said, things get trickier when basic elements of logic are in play. The Preamble to the Constitution mentions the aspiration to form "a more perfect Union". That phrase has become linguistically entrenched (President Obama used it for the title of an important speech in his first presidential campaign). But the phrase is utterly incoherent and logically self-contradicting. "Perfection" is one of our most central concepts, stretching back for millenia, and it"s built into the very definition of the word that something perfect can"t be improved upon. The Wikipedia entry for that phrase doesn"t define it so much as locate it"s most famous usage, but neither does it point out the logical incoherence built into that basic combination of words.
Posted by mmadderom 14 years ago
mmadderom
I can hope the Easter bunny brings me a million dollars tomorrow. Is that not false hope?
Posted by Randomknowledge 14 years ago
Randomknowledge
I meant hope is always THERE. thank you.
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