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There is no such thing as viruses

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Started: 3/15/2018 Category: Science
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Akhenaten

Pro

There are no viruses.There never has been any viruses in the past and there wont be any viruses in the future. That's because viruses don't exist. Viruses are just made up nonsense by the medical establishment and pharmaceutical companies so that they can make huge mega-dollars out of gullible people with drugs and vaccines.

(Only people with some life experience can apply. That means no 16 year olds thanks.)
Percivil

Con

Apparently you havent exactly read that much. Take SARS as an example. If viruses did not exist why did so many people die becuase of the virus? Or go back to the 1500"s/1600"s(I forgot when was it) when black death occured. That was of sorts a virus and many people suffered from it. So how are viruses according to my opponent a ton of BS? So it was just a coincidence that millions of people died because there is no such thing of the term virus?
Debate Round No. 1
Akhenaten

Pro

Just because the media said it was a SARS virus that caused the death of hundreds of people doesn't mean that a virus was the true cause. I used to get lots of colds and flu symptoms before I found that I could avoid the flu and cold by eating a diet which doesn't contain grain, sugar and dairy. When I stopped eating grain, sugar and dairy I stopped taking thyroid medication for enlarged goitre; had no more headaches; stomach upsets or chest pains. Thus, viruses are not the cause of the flu or any other disease for that matter. The flu and other respiratory diseases are caused by eating grain, sugar and dairy. These products are unnatural for the human digestive system and cause a condition known as leaky gut syndrome which allows gut bacteria to enter the blood stream via the intestine. Thus, the germs are from internal sources and don't come from exterior sources as the medical system falsely implies.

The Black Death was a result of volcanic gases which caused massive crop failure and a weakening of the sunlight for a long period. This reduced the availability of fresh fruit and vegetables which caused massive starvation and famine. In those days, people didn't understand the importance of vitamins. There were no satellites which could have alerted them to the volcanic activity which was occurring in the northern hemisphere.

https://motherboard.vice.com...

https://www.theguardian.com...
Percivil

Con

Putting myself in pro"s shoes:I saw no evidence on what he mentioned about SARS. There was no evidence that somethig ELSE apart from SARS killing hundereds. Whereas if you look at my point of view there was evidence that the virus did exist. Unique arrows in the flowchart was found when SARS was discovered:https://ecdc.europa.eu.... Yes all these syntoms can be experienced but if you join all of them together it makes no sense. So how can viruses like SARS not exist with these unique paths in the flowchart?
Debate Round No. 2
Akhenaten

Pro

Sorry, can't find any flow charts on your reference. Note - You have to cut and paste the link above the chart picture. Apart from that; my opponent hasn't even begun to address my previous statements. Thus, I will have to wait until my opponent responds in an appropriate manner.
Percivil

Con

Sorry I did not elaborate. By flowchart I mean something doctors use. For example if you sweat alot, the doctors will go down the chart and continue asking questions if you feel weak. If so the doctor can classify it under a fever. If we talk sbput SARS,in 2003 there were no arrows down the flowchart of syntoms which could classify the virus as something as simple as the common vold.

Rebuttal:my opponent mentioned that he/she used to keep getting flus. Isnt the flu a virus? It says right here under the paragraph of what is a flu:https://www.webmd.com.... So if he/she says that viruses, why does he/she keep getting them?
Debate Round No. 3
Akhenaten

Pro

Doctors ain't as clever as they think they are. When somebody presents with a fever; the doctor will use a flow chart to determine what type of problem. They use symptoms to determine what type of disease. That's the problem! They ONLY use symptoms to determine the problem. They never, ever do a blood test to see a virus. That's because there is no such thing as a virus. Did the doctor ask the person what they were eating? Answer - Never. Did the doctor ask the patient how much sleep they were getting? Answer - Never. Thus, the doctor doesn't know what the cause of the problem is. Note - The doctor doesn't really care how the person got sick. The doctor needs sick people to make a living. Thus, they need to keep the real cause of their sickness a secret. They need to give the patient false information about diseases being caused by viruses and germs. Thus, the patient will never get wise about what the cause of their problem is and they will continue to get sick regardless of how much medication and other useless remedies the doctor gives them.

Note - The flu is caused by a bad diet of grain, sugar and dairy and has nothing to do with viruses. Grain causes a condition known as leaky gut syndrome which allows gut bacteria to enter the blood stream. This is what causes illness. The germs come from interior sources and not exterior sources as the medical system would imply.
Percivil

Con

So if they dont then how do you get the flu viruses? Bad diet? Thats not exactly the case. A few months ago in Singapore there was a flu bug going around the country. If the flu is not a virus or if viruses dont exist for the matter, how did so many singaporeans fall ill? H1N1 was another example. And bear in mind I was one of the many who fell victim after coming into contact with someone with the virus. So how can we deny the existence of viruses?

Rebuttal:What evidence do you have that when a new virus such as SARS doctors or scientists at labs didnt conduct blood tests? They did. They carried out something called a molecular test(PCR). Basically:Polymerase chain reaction (PCR) can detect genetic material of the SARS-CoV in various specimens (blood, stool, respiratory secretions or body tissues Sampling for Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) diagnostic tests). Primers, which are the key pieces for a PCR test, have been made publicly available by WHO network laboratories on the WHO web site. A ready-to-use PCR test kit containing primers and positive and negative control has been developed. Testing of the kit by network members is expected to quickly yield the data needed to assess the test"s performance, in comparison with primers developed by other WHO network laboratories and in correlation with clinical and epidemiological data.

Principally, existing PCR tests are very specific but lack sensitivity. This means that negative tests cannot rule out the presence of the SARS virus in patients. Furthermore, contamination of samples in laboratories in the absence of laboratory quality control can lead to false positive results.

Positive PCR results, with the necessary quality control procedures in place. Recommendations for laboratories testing for SARS-coronavirus, are very specific and mean that there is genetic material (RNA) of the SARS-CoV in the sample. This does not mean that there is live virus present, or that it is present in a quantity large enough to infect another person.

Negative PCR results do not exclude SARS. SARS-CoV PCR can be negative for the following reasons:
- The patient is not infected with the SARS coronavirus; the illness is due to another infectious agent (virus, bacterium, fungus) or a non-infectious cause.
- The test results are incorrect ("false-negative"). Current tests need to be further developed to improve sensitivity.
- Specimens were not collected at a time when the virus or its genetic material was present. The virus and its genetic material may be present for a brief period only, depending on the type of specimen tested.

If viruses dont exist how can they determine what the results will be like? This isnt just like a hypothesis of sorts they tested this method. And if viruses didnt exist, why did WHO bother to carry out experiments like these? Im sure they had better things to do.

The Zika virus was another example. So it was a coincidence that newborns had weirdly shapped heads? If virusee didnt exist,how can such thinge happen? And theres not much you can do to a fetus when its in the womb like give it an oddly shaped baby. Even if there were Im pretty sure the parents of the kid wouldnt allow such a thing to happen.
Debate Round No. 4
Akhenaten

Pro

1. The flu is not a bug that goes around. The flu only affects those people that eat bad diets which contain lots of sugar, grain, fat and dairy products. Any person who eats little or none of these products will not get the flu. Germs can enter the blood stream though. This occurs due to a condition called "leaky gut syndrome" which allows gut bacteria to enter the blood stream making people feel sick. Grain causes an allergic reaction in the gut which causes inflammation. Thus, germ get into the blood stream from the gut only. Note - The germs do not come from exterior sources as the medical system implies.

2. The so called 'blood tests' which show the existence of a virus are bogus tests. The blood is put into a spinning test tube which separates the blood from the water and other material. The results are then put through a filter. Any particles of a certain size are said to be 'viruses'. lol They will then count the weight of the particles and give you a viral loading number. This procedure is a complete joke and doesn't really tell you anything. They are just assuming that particles of a certain size are in fact viruses, but they really haven't got a clue what these particles are. I would say that these particles are just broken pieces of cells which were damaged by their violent treatment and shaking.

Note - In order test that a germ is the right one, you must replicate the germ in a petri dish and then reinfect another person to see if the germ is the cause. Note - This procedure has never been successfully carried out in 200 years of testing.

Question for my opponent - How did the first person identify the first virus when that person didn't know where to look and also didn't know what a virus looked like?

Thus, we can plainly see that the existence of a virus is a logical impossibility.

Viruses are said to be both living and non-living entities. This is also a logical impossibility. Something is either alive or dead. There is no in between organisms which are dead first and then come to life when you add a nutrient. Organisms can only go from living to dead. Not the other way round. This is just plain crazy.

http://neue-medizin.com...
Percivil

Con

Rebuttal(s):The flu is not caused by bad diets of sugar, grains,etc. The flu caused that:http://www.vesselmedical.com....

Question for my opponent:if what you gave is true on the causes of flu like your bad diet,how did the first person identify the cause of it when the person didnt know how to get a flu? And when he/she went to the doctor, how accurate were the doctors claims when you said and I quote,"Note - The doctor doesn't really care how the person got sick. The doctor needs sick people to make a living. Thus, they need to keep the real cause of their sickness a secret. They need to give the patient false information about diseases being caused by viruses and germs. Thus, the patient will never get wise about what the cause of their problem is and they will continue to get sick regardless of how much medication and other useless remedies the doctor gives them." So how accurate are your findngs that somehow you get the flu by what was that? Problems in the digestive system?

Final argument:Yes many of you at this point may agree with my opponent but note that in my previous argument I mentioned about the zika virus and my opponent hasnt done a rebuttal on it probrably because our genius here who thinks a flu is caused by problems in the digestive system didnt have anything to say? So although we may disagree on the fact that viruses like SARS or H1N1 may be false but there is no evudence that zika does not exist. I believe this says it all that viruses like zika do exist(or most of it):
https://www.cdc.gov...(what we know about the virus)
https://images.google.com.sg...(The sad effects of zika in reality)

With the following points of mine,I hoped that Ive managed to convince everyone here that viruses do exist.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Percivil 3 years ago
Percivil
Crap nvm
Posted by Percivil 3 years ago
Percivil
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>Reported vote: Percivil// Mod action: Removed<

6 points to Pro (Arguments, Sources). Reasons for voting decision: Pro produced concrete sources. Cons sources did not link to his argument.

[*Reason for removal*] (1) The voter doesn"t explain arguments. (2) Sources are insufficiently explained. The voter is required to do more than simply generalize about how each side"s sources functioned. It must be clear why one side"s sources were "concrete" and why the other side"s "did not link to his argument."
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Posted by Percivil 3 years ago
Percivil
The winner already had been declared
Posted by Percivil 3 years ago
Percivil
hey thats not fair
Posted by whiteflame 3 years ago
whiteflame
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>Reported vote: Wizofoz// Mod action: Removed<

6 points to Con (Arguments, Sources). Reasons for voting decision: Con produced concrete sources. Pros sources did not link to his argument.

[*Reason for removal*] (1) The voter doesn"t explain arguments. (2) Sources are insufficiently explained. The voter is required to do more than simply generalize about how each side"s sources functioned. It must be clear why one side"s sources were "concrete" and why the other side"s "did not link to his argument."
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Posted by Percivil 3 years ago
Percivil
Gg bruv
Posted by Percivil 3 years ago
Percivil
Annnd debate.org dun allow emojis on comments....they just leave a code...
Posted by Percivil 3 years ago
Percivil
Not as retarded as someone who claims the flu is caused by problems in the digestive system and somehow the problems in the digestive system causes problems in the respiratory systema57;A039;
Posted by Akhenaten 3 years ago
Akhenaten
So your not retarded? I am shocked! lol
Posted by Percivil 3 years ago
Percivil
Its called typos. Bruv Im tying on a small iphone 8 in the train at 5.30 in the morning or any ungodly hour of the day
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