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AlexandreTheThriceGreat
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Im_Intelligent
Con (against)

There is not enough focus on space colonisation

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Started: 5/14/2018 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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AlexandreTheThriceGreat

Pro

I believe that today, there is not enough attention towards, funding of, or progress being made towards the Human colonisation of space and other worlds ... there are a billion stars out there for each one of us, yet we struggle and war relentlessly on Earth for resources.

Convince me otherwise?
Im_Intelligent

Con

On paper the answer seems pretty straight forward, humanity combines its efforts to get off of this rock so we dont extinct, in reality its not that simple.

We cant even co-operate on the same playing field which is just one world, and until we do that, space programs wont get as much funding as you would hope.

on top of that the last thing humanity needs right now is to have a colony somewhere that fucks up said worlds environment under a christian leader.

Humanity needs to learn that actions have consequences, once they figure that out, then we should colonize other worlds.
Debate Round No. 1
AlexandreTheThriceGreat

Pro

Firstly, to deal with you argument:
There will always exist some sort of tension between biological creations, even bubbles .. a most beautiful phenomena, have conflict and bounce of each other, or pop when they come into contact with one another, or stick together to form larger groups .. biology will always have a certain level of conflict when seen as separate distinct forms of life, though petty squabbles should not stop us from furthering our civilisation, they should be looked at as the grinding of gears which force us to move past our insular views and inspire us to create positive change .. without conflict there would be no conflict resolution or revolution; thus conflict is no reason to stop us from looking forward towards space colonisation.
Instead, the conflict you describe should be seen as a public forum that provides the catalytic seeds of political movements seeds that must be nutured, as they may then blossom into beautiful revolutions , bettering society as a whole ... you go to the gym to break your muscles, that you may return home to eat&rest thus growing your muscles back stronger ...
thus there is no reason as to why the existence of the gym, and exercises to break down your muscles, should be held as reasoning not to recuperate and regrow larger, stronger, muscles, or in this case why petty squabbles on earth should be reason not to look towards more glorious space civilisations. (Which in time will probably also fight, and learn and re-build)

There are always disagreements between biological life forms, though these only create the playing fields to then practice and refine our spirits before creating better systems of law, politics, agriculture and entertainment.

As you said 'getting of this rock' before we go extinct is a prime concern for the human race who have been on this planet for 6,000 years, within large civilisations for 4,000 years, in acknowledgement of our place in the heavens for 2,000 years and have had technology outside of that available to us ON the planet, satellites, for example, in space, since 1957, thus if we have had 'scouts'(Satellites) in space for 60 years, the next conceivable step is to expand our resource gathering, and finally colonisation, off-planet .. however there needs to be an urgency seen to this similar to that of if there were an encroaching army, we would be in a state of emergency working to bolster our defences etc. similarly with the resource struggles on Earth, seen within the mass movements of refugees, and wars for land/gold/oil .. it is indeed a state of emergency citizens of the Earth need to see the colonisation of space ..

Finally, your opening argument has only outlined the reasons why we haven't so far been focusing on space colonisation, not proposed any reasons why we should continue to ignore the encroaching dark matter shattering at the end of each universal expansion nor have you put forward any arguments as to the the limited current space projects that go on, and why we should maintain such a limited view .. conversely I put forward that we are in dire need of expanding these geological missions towards actual occupation of other world colonies, or space ship cities, and geological harvesting, not just testing ..
Clearly these reasons, found in your arguments, should be no sticking point to withhold our senses from exploring the vast glories space has to offer us, nor our dreams from imaginaging the great empires, ships and technological prowess that having access to space and all her bountiful pleasures, uncharted worlds, star systems and mineral richness would allow us to imagine and build.

Instead I restate my Pro side of the argument there is NOT enough focus on space colonisation and put forward the supportive reasoning that the urgency at which people view space colonisation is negligible and must be raised through public advertisements encouraging space travel, rather than ads telling us to keep drinking milk!

As we have the technology, and the minds to achieve something beautiful, it is only our own fear and greed that may hold us back ...

Space .. where there is a Billion stars for each of us :')
Im_Intelligent

Con

"human race who have been on this planet for 6,000 years, within large civilizations for 4,000 years, in acknowledgement of our place in the heavens for 2,000 years"

Yea no, humanity as a species has been here longer then 6000 damn years -_- of course if were talking about recorded human history, then 6000 fits that

if your a creationist im not continuing this debate -_-
Debate Round No. 2
AlexandreTheThriceGreat

Pro

I see you happened to leave out of the quote the part that was relevant to this debate

'and have had satellites for 60 years'

No, I'm not a creationist, I believe in the laws of thermodynamics and the mobius strip of space-time ...

What I mean by 6,000 years is that before that we have no reliable proof that humanity would be recognisable in comparison to today's standards, they pyramids are 4,000 years old and the Babylonian/Sumerian/Mayan civilisations are recorded in cuneiform at est. 6,000 years old.
You've really strayed of topic here ...
Im_Intelligent

Con

"What I mean by 6,000 years is that before that we have no reliable proof that humanity would be recognisable in comparison to today's standards, they pyramids are 4,000 years old and the Babylonian/Sumerian/Mayan civilisations are recorded in cuneiform at est. 6,000 years old."

if your talking about culture and so forth, then yes, if were talking about what humans looked like and did, we have evidence of that back 255,000 years in central Africa.

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but your right, i did go a bit off topic there, anyway the technology is not at the level you think it is, at least when we start talking about interstellar travel.

also its less of fear and greed thats holding us back, its more of public interest and economics, even if we wanted to do this, it would cause a huge shift in the economy.

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Also consider this, despite what Steven hawking might have said, unless we REALLY screw up the planet somehow, even if all of civilization collapsed and 99% of the population got wiped out because of it, humanity would still survive.

But i do agree with you on one thing, at the rate were going civilization "as we know it" is pretty much screwed, still like i said before, even if the walking dead happend tomorrow, as long as humanity could survive, that could recover and rebuild, even if it took a million years to do so, it would just be a minor roadblock to an eventual interstellar civilization.

but on a even larger time scale, consider this.

Humanity has only two possible futures, we either go extinct, or we live forever, and since living forever would require a species to live for an infinite amount of time, its impossible, so no matter what we do, whether or not we fund humanitys expansion into space, humanity is still screwed no matter what, so you can say whatever you want about the human spirit to explore and make a better future for our children, but thats emotional appeal, the moment you switch over to logic, its nothing more then delaying the inevitable <- sorry if that sounds a bit depressive.
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Posted by Im_Intelligent 3 years ago
Im_Intelligent
@ecksdee123
"Earth is the only planet in the solar system that can support life like humans."

its a bit more complex that that, humans can colonize other worlds, although your probably not going to be able to sprint across the surface without a pressure suit and oxygen mask anytime soon.
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hotmaillogin
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Posted by AlexandreTheThriceGreat 3 years ago
AlexandreTheThriceGreat
Ecksdee123 ...

there is room for life to grow, inhabit and build support structures all across the multi-verse, you just need to be prepared for the conditions of getting there, and then be willing to co-exist with the individual ecosystem that flourishes on 'X' planet ...
We have all seen how film, 'The Martian' depicts how humans can adapt and colonise Mars, not to mention here on Earth, how civilisations have had to adapt to their surroundings in order to survive .. the extreme cold of Russian snow deserts, the heart palpitating humidity of the amazonian wetlands, the unpredictability of the island nations of Ireland and England, or the barren blistering heat of the sahara and similar deserts ... Humans are as ingenious as is chaotic the weather patterns.

Earth is not the only planet that can support life like humans, Earth is simply the first stepping stone to be fully colonised by humans .. in time we will be living upon many other planets, in large space ships and space stations, and will eventually have the technological prowess to geoengineer atmospheres for entire planets(or GODs, as we once called them).

All planets can support life, it just depends upon how you dress up biology to look alive ;)
Posted by ecksdee123 3 years ago
ecksdee123
Not going to enter debate, but there's one problem with your argument Pro, Earth is the only planet in the solar system that can support life like humans.
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