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backwardseden
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Wonderwoosh
Con (against)

Toss out the nonsensical 10 commandments that were negative, And let's all create something positive

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Started: 3/23/2019 Category: Philosophy
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backwardseden

Pro

We all know that the original 10 commandments of the bible are fraudulent and fake brought on by a fraudulent and fake god in which 4 of them demanded death if not obeyed. Hey they were revised at least 4 times by moses, A terrorist and murderer anyway who cannot be proved has ever existed. So its time to change the commandments and bring in some working proper commandments that are not overseen by an idiot god that nobody can even prove exists for god's sake. Btw, There doesn't have to be 10. There can be 13 or who knows how many? It really depends on what works best.

Numbers 1 & 2 are easy ones. . .
1. Thou shalt always honor and protect children and never knowingly cause harm unto them.
2. Thou shalt get rid of ALL religion.
3. Thou shalt never slap, Hit, Or abuse women for any reason.
4. Thou shalt get rid of slavery everywhere.
5. Thou shalt get rid of all bigotry and racism.
6. Thou shalt not care if someone is a party to being gay.
7. Thou shall always treat everybody, No exceptions, None, As equals.
8. Thou shalt never bully anyone.
9. Thou shalt not seek power.
10. Thou shalt not terrorize anyone through fear.
11. Thou shalt not torture anyone.
12. Thou shalt not seek to oppress.
13. Thou shalt get rid of all guns and weapons of superior firepower.
14. Thou shat get rid of all street drugs and never have anything to do with them.
15. Thou shalt always believe in oneself, That you know you are somebody, That you know you can contribute to society and that you know you are worthwhile.
16. Thou shalt hug your neighbor as a mark of a peaceful gesture because you know you believe in peace and you know you will always work towards peace to create peace wherever you go.
17. Thou shalt help your neighbor when he needs help and is in trouble if you are not in trouble.
18. Thou shalt not ever rape the earth. . . Meaning thou shalt not pollute the skies, Thou shalt not pollute the oceans, Thou shalt not deforest the lands.
19. Thou shalt not lever let money or wealth guide and corrupt you.
20. Thou shalt not ever kill a man.
21. Thou shalt not ever go to war.
22. Thou shalt not ever hate.
23. Thou shalt not even think about, Dream about or use violence towards anybody or anything.
24. Thou shalt always protect rare species and never knowingly cause harm unto them.
25. Thou shalt not ever abuse or torture animals.
26. Thou shalt not ever kill animals for sport.
27. Thou shalt not ever dabble in materialistic things.
28. Thou shat always dream big in an effort to achieve those dreams.
29. Thou shalt always help those who are less fortunate than you.
30. Thou shalt always take time to grieve if you need to.
31. Thou shalt always be prepared to be judged.
32. Thou shalt always be a good listener and take in what people around you have to say.
33. Thou shalt always be ready to learn something new.
34. Thou shalt always look forward to both the moonrise and the sunrise.
35. Thou shalt always wonder and look forward to knowing if there is life elsewhere in the universe.
36. Thou shalt always take vacations and travel the world if possible.
37. Thou shalt never cause anyone to deliberately suffer.
38. Thou shalt always take time in one's day to put your feet up and relax.

OK, So its your turn. Think of a couple of commandments that would benefit humankind and or this planet to make it a better place to live in. Countermanding any of the commandments already listed will not be accepted. Naturally, I will be thinking of a few more as this debate rolls on and thus I will list them"

Anybody can participate except for dsjpk5 and those who are racist bigots and think negatively. All you have to do, If you are not the one who has accepted this debate, Is list your set of commandments in the comments section. Good luck! And let"s all dream big!
Wonderwoosh

Con

First I'd like to question some of your logic. Let's say we throw out the Bible. Where do these commandments apply, And what is disobeying them punishable by? When there's a Bible we know we get punished for disobeying the commandments. Also, Throwing out all religion is a bit overkill, Considering it was founded by a religion. Not to mention the fact that the American constitution grants the right to freedom of religion, And protects those of other religions from discrimination.

There is a chance these commandments you've posted are just peaceful ways to live, In which case, There's no point in throwing out the old ones, Because breaking peaceful Morales gets you no where, And teaches you no discipline whatsoever.

Also by the way, I'm trying not to favor this argument in favor of atheists or other religions, Because I don't want to make this too bias.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

Oh its not my logic. This was thought of with the first printing of the erroneous completely immoral unproven superior ego god complex in which the bible is entirely about and nothing else and its first printing. You do realize that the original 10 commandments are completely immoral and that this country only follows one of them - correct, And not really?
4 of them if disobeyed are death. So toss them out. All of them are prohibiting and negative and none are positive when all of them should be. None of them offer hope of any kind. So they should be tossed out on those grounds alone and are required by common sense, Reasoning, Rationalizing, Logic to be rewritten or tossed out altogether. Not one of them is geared towards children, So by that measure, They should all be tossed out. If adults cannot take care of children and watch out for them, F--k each and every parent there is.
"And what is disobeying them punishable by? " Now what do you mean by that? See that's the problem with you supposed christians is there's no possible way you can ---ever--- believe in anything hopeful or peaceful. Don't even bring in that christ crap. You just proved yourself wrong. Here's something else you don't get. . . Under your unproven god's helm, There's not been more than 40 years of peace at any time during any time for any length of time. Pathetic. "When there's a Bible we know we get punished for disobeying the commandments. " Damn right. And that's a "good" thing -right? "Also, Throwing out all religion is a bit overkill, " Better yet, Why don't we throw out ALL religion? One thing for sure is that religion, All of it has claimed more destruction, More war, More hate, By far, Than nonreligion. The only way there can be worldwide peace is for the world to get rid of ALL religion. A pipedream? Perhaps. But unless its done, There's gonna be more hate, More war, More bloodshed and more characters pretending to be christ/ godlike like Donald Trump the worst president of all time who in reality is no different than the god of the bible who is "grateful for me" and has a lot in common with him etc etc etc. If course a few other things needs to happen as well.

Well thankfully this country was in no possible way founded on christian morals, And or god.

"There is a chance these commandments you've posted are just peaceful ways to live, In which case, There's no point in throwing out the old ones, " absolutely there is for all the reasons just listed.

Here's a small video to help you which far outdoes anything I could come up with. . .
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=x9weXGtCk7c
Wonderwoosh

Con

The commandments weren't designed to bring peace or happiness, They were rules made by God, And verified by Moses. They were rules to be kept by Christians so they could live eternally in Heaven.

When the World was created, It was intended for peace and prosperity. The reason nothing ended up like that, Was pointed to in Genesis, When Eve ate fruit from the tree of knowledge. After disobeying God, She and Adams future generations, A. K. A. The rest of the world, Were forced into hard labor, And nothing would be the same again. This became Satan's world as soon as Adam and Eve disobeyed God.

So there could be no true peace associated with the commandments. Besides, Rules are almost never positive anyway. If your commandments were passed, There would always be someone to break them. After all, What terrorist wouldn't take this opportunity to kill as many people as possible.

My main point and question still remains; How are you to enforce these laws without eternal damnation? If a person disobeys god their entire life, Without ever asking for forgiveness, They are sent to a life in Hell where they burn forever.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

"The commandments weren't designed to bring peace or happiness, They were rules made by God, And verified by Moses. They were rules to be kept by Christians so they could live eternally in Heaven. " Wow. And you know this" how and why? I love it when supposed christians, Because there"s no such a thing as a christian, Yep I have an extreme distaste for those who do not have an education or intelligence on the subject(s) that they profess to having knowledge upon and they really don't, And yet they pretend that they do. And because they don't they invent excuses for that specific subject and or flat out lie. When this happens, Which happens quite often, They will soon have no genuine friends or loved ones if it keeps up (hey they may not now) and their teachers will ALWAYS mark that paper with an F. And it is my right to degrade, Dehumanize and belittle them with my brand of sarcastic, Dumb, Idiotic, Original, Gone from this universe, Blah blah black sheep have you any fool insults, Or walk away in which I sometimes do. This is something that is taught in college. Makes sense? So I give you a fair warning.

What we"re going to do is play by the 3 strike rule. 3 strikes and this debate will end and yer out! I have no patience for morons like you who invents excuses in order for themselves to keep their cabbage batbrains above boiling supernovas but can"t because they know nothing about their subject matter and yet they pretend that they do - and since they don"t they play pretend time in their little boxed upped corners with truly pathetic excuses that don"t match up - especially to [present that excuse(s) to someone who does tinkle a bit here and there to know better. And believe me, I DO know better. I"m sure even the smallest if pasture grazing so-called christian does so here on this one"

So let"s look at your invented excuse again and I really should end this debate because of it" "The commandments weren't designed to bring peace or happiness, They were rules made by God, And verified by Moses. They were rules to be kept by Christians so they could live eternally in Heaven. " I get it, I really do, So according to you if anyone follows these commandments because they "WEREN'T DESIGNED TO BRING PEACE OR HAPPINESS and let"s be perfectly clear "They were rules to be kept by Christians so they could live eternally in Heaven. " Well we both know that there"s no such a thing as being a christian so you can toss that one aside, And in making it into "heaven"? Hmmm strange? Isn"t heaven supposed to be a place of eternal peace and happiness? Why yes it is. DUH. That"s a very BIG HUGE strike 1. You just stepped in your own puddle of caca by not knowing at all what the f--k you are talking about AND you got caught.
Oh and btw, 4 of YOUR 10 commandments which were verified by Moses if not followed demand death. Here is a test for YOUR morality to see where YOU stand with YOUR unproven god with how he believes from what is stated directly from the bible and or torah. It is a simple "yes" or "no" response. Believe me, The NT is much worse. These 4 questions are questions to see how you stand in accordance to your unproven god. If you answer "yes" to all questions, It means you are as completely immoral as your god. If you answer "no" to these 4 questions in which is the only proper answer there is, Then you are not in accordance with your god and you do not believe in him. Btw, This test was dreamed of when your completely immoral bible was first published. These questions are NOT mine. Btw, There"s plenty more. I"m only sticking to the subject of the ridiculous 10 commandments. Ready?
* Do you think you should be put to death just because you blaspheme? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 24:16 "And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, He shall surely be put to death, And all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, As he that is born in the land, When he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, Shall be put to death. "
* Do you think you should die if you work on the sabbath? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Exodus 31:14 "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, That soul shall be cut off from among his people. ", Numbers 15: 32-36 " And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. 33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, And unto all the congregation. 34 And they put him in ward, Because it was not declared what should be done to him. 35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. 36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, And stoned him with stones, And he died; as the Lord commanded Moses. " Notice jesus worked on the sabbath, He was not put to death. Strange? That supposed "law" that christians use is in ill effect and does not work.
* Do you think you should die for merely cursing at your parents? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Exodus 21:17 "And he that curseth his father, Or his mother, Shall surely be put to death. , Leviticus 20:9 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. ", Mark 7:10 "For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, Let him die the death:, Matthew 15:4 "For God commanded, Saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, Let him die the death. "
* Do you think you should die if you commit adultery? Y____? N____? Your god thinks so. Leviticus 20:10 "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, Even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, The adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. "

Let"s move onto your other argument which has nothing to do with the 10 commandments. I"m going to slaughter you here because you are truly ignorant in your pastures of groin pulls and twiddle your lips between silly little plastic armageddons that you hold in your you know where areas.
"When the World was created, It was intended for peace and prosperity. " Woah. So this is 1. According to you. 2. How do you know? 3. And what created this world? 4. Certainly according to you it just didn"t happen. 5. Prove it. 6. You can"t because you cannot even prove your god exists. Continuing "The reason nothing ended up like that, Was pointed to in Genesis, When Eve ate fruit from the tree of knowledge. After disobeying God, " 1. Eve was only given one, Just one chance. 2. They were children. 3. No child, Absolutely no child learns after one chance. Even if they were adults, What were they taught? Continuing "She and Adams future generations, A. K. A. The rest of the world, " 1. Future generations. I get it, So according to YOUR god, Since someone f--ked up, In which they really didn"t, I and everybody else should pay the prove for their miss-steaks? 2. From how long back? 3. You don"t know. 4. What truly horrifically monumental childish ideal. 5. WRONG. I nor anybody is going to pay the price for somebody else"s wrongdoings. Not ever. Not for any reason unless its superbad parental s--t like being tortured or being abused in which YOUR unproven god knowingly creates the child to deliberately suffer, As he does, According to you, Millions per year, And the parents to rape and beat them as---an---example in which YOUR god according to you gives them the power to do as such. Continuing "Were forced into hard labor, " An invented excuse. 1. Cain wasn"t. He murdered his brother and then sprouted a new frolicking city. 2. Oh and btw, A fatal flaw in your idiot bible among thousands is genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, And bare Enoch: and he builded a city, And called the name of the city, After the name of his son, Enoch. " So how did Cain get a wife? Where"d she come from? How could Cain build a city? WITH WHAT if Cain and his wife were the only 2 stool pigeons on the planet? Yeah LOTS of incest would have had to have occurred. Lovely. But its still not anywhere near enough to build a city. 3. Oh and btw, How did it "pop" into Cain"s mind to kill his brother? So godly is your god. "And nothing would be the same again. " The same as what since there were only 2 people on the fricken planet? God I"m arguing with a 10 year old. Continuing "This became Satan's world as soon as Adam and Eve disobeyed God. " Really? According to what imbecile? You? How would you know? What grade of chopped off heads from animal crackers have you thus invented yet another excuse to come up with that one? 1. Satan was most certainly not mentioned AT ALL, In genesis. STRIKE 2. 2. Here"s a real clincher" Satan, Lucifer according to YOUR beliefs, Who in which you cannot prove exists, Just like your god" your god created this lucifer/ satan. So in other words, In order for your god to have knowingly created this Lucifer/ satan, This god of yours, If perfect and is all knowing and all powerful, He must have known that this Lucifer/ satan would turn out to be evil, And was pure hate. Since this is true, This makes YOUR unproven god pure hate and evil in order for your god to have created Lucifer/ Satan. DUH. If not, Then your god is in no possible way a god as he does not know the future and what will come of it, Is not all knowing nor all powerful, Does not know everything, Is most certainly not perfect, Is most certainly not omnipotent. Got it?
The rest of your schmaltzy argument has nothing to do with anything.

If this debate is to continue please at the very least come up with something hopeful, Not something of complete and TOTAL TERROR AND DREAD, And KNOW what you"re talking about for god"s sake without inventing excuses. Jeez.
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Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@SickInTheHeadz - Our friend melcharaz stated the dumbest thing religiously of all time so there's no point in arguing with him anymore. This guy is one of those who clearly, Without question, Has no friends or loved ones, And he wants it that way. This excuse is a real hoot.

"The American Cherokee Indians worship the Supreme Being, Ye ho waah or Yo ho wah, Which is very similar to the Hebrew name of God (Yahweh or Yahoveh).
The Cherokee Indians believe in one Supreme Being--the Creator-- and have surprising connections to Christianity.
Ancient Cherokee Indians believed before 1750 that God was going to appear on Earth as a man and they called this person by five different Old Testament (Hebrew) names for Jesus.
The Cherokees have three actual cities of refuge, They have the stories of the great flood, And many other Old Testament stories.
They also adhere to the prohibitions found within the Ten Commandments.
Cherokees keep one day without work for prayer. "

Comparing jesus as having ANYTHING to do do with jesus, The 10 commandments while getting rope burns while sliding down the bat pole? Well doesn't that one bite my pecker red with chilis. Talk about a true desperate cry, And or plea for acceptance because NOBODY else will. Please tc and have fun.
Posted by SickInTheHeadz 3 years ago
SickInTheHeadz
@melcharaz
>Implying that we cannot stop "sin" without believing in God or following Christian morals
So all those non-Christian countries should collapse by now. But no, Japan is just as good as any Christian country.
You can put us down as much as you want. But in the end, It won't matter. You are not going to convince me to accept God, Unless I see him or unless I feel him(with my senses of course), Or if I have some indirect implication of his existence, Which is hard in the case of God, As we don't have God in observed environment to see which implications does he cause.
Posted by melcharaz 3 years ago
melcharaz
and on top of not knowing love you don't understand the nature of sin either. Its like a plague, You gotta snuff it out or it kills everything. What's a few deaths to prevent outbreak of sin compared to nations being destroyed because of it? No, Again, You have no understanding of God's love. And unless you repent, You never will.
Posted by Spoilerina 3 years ago
Spoilerina
only 1: Thou shalt not say that being transgender is a bad thing.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@Club - Yeah
I would if there was someone who was intelligent, Educated on music, Film or guns. And I occasionally debate on the fluffy bunny slippers Donald Trump who has a good 200 things in common with the god of the bible.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
* Leviticus 24:16 "And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, He shall surely be put to death, And all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, As he that is born in the land, When he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, Shall be put to death. "

People like you that don't know one god damned fricken thing about their god who has to flat out invent excuses because they don't know any better and has to pull out excuses from their a$$ to make up for their silliness so their bile doesn't cover them in manure spread for toasty love songs, Well you just got fed to a bunny suit. Do yourself a favor. Get a clue before you argue with others that do in fact know better when you don't. K?
Posted by Club 3 years ago
Club
Does backwardseden ever debate about something other than religion?
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@melcharaz - Oh goodie! The commandments! You mean the "love" your god gives when 4 of them demands death? No you f--king pathetic maggot. Its YOU that has no f--king clue as to what "love" is because you've never experienced it. 100 to 1 you were severely abused by your parents. It shows. Now let's make a piece of s--t like you look totally ridiculous and you deserve it.
Exodus 31:14 "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, That soul shall be cut off from among his people. ", Numbers 15: 32-36 " And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. 33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, And unto all the congregation. 34 And they put him in ward, Because it was not declared what should be done to him. 35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. 36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, And stoned him with stones, And he died; as the Lord commanded Moses. "
* Leviticus 20:9 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. ", Mark 7:10 "For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, Let him die the death:, Matthew 15:4 "For God commanded, Saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, Let him die the death. "
* Leviticus 20:10 "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, Even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, The adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. "
Posted by SickInTheHeadz 3 years ago
SickInTheHeadz
Judging by what your God considers to be "love" in the Bible, I doubt I will ever understand it. But then again, I am just a faulty human, And I cannot understand why God wants to kill and rape children and women, And cause unimaginable suffering to the humans, In this life and the other. Maybe that is love and I just don't understand it.
Posted by melcharaz 3 years ago
melcharaz
neither one of you understand what love is. Therefore you cannot understand the commandments.
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