Trump Is Not a Liar
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| Voting Style: | Open | Point System: | 7 Point | ||
| Started: | 12/2/2018 | Category: | Politics | ||
| Updated: | 3 years ago | Status: | Post Voting Period | ||
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 Pro In this debate, I would like to discuss one or both of these two positions: Position #1 (general): President Trump doesn't lie (in all its shades and varieties) in a manner worthy of special tracking. His lack of complete honesty is in line with the mainstream of US politicians and media outlets nowadays. Position #2 (specific): President Trump's "worst" lies pale in comparison with President Obama's worst. Please let me know which argument you would like to start with.  Con It has been estimated and documented quite accurately that he lies an average of twelve times a day, That isnt even in dispute, They tract his lies with radar every day he gets fact checked and he lies and lies and lies, He is the enegizer bunny of fibbing, He is a pathogical liar in fact. He is the worst, In a world of liars, Politicians, He is the master. King of the Hill. |
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Pro WashPo highlights the most repeated lie in their database. Representing a full 2% of all of Trump's so-called lies, Feast your eyes on this *horrendous assault against truth*: "There was no collusion. There was never any collusion" (2). WashPo calls THIS a lie? Their Fact Checker's explanation: Mueller hasn't made his report yet (3). Apparently, Anything Trump says about it will be a lie. Publicly defending oneself cannot be the same thing as lying! This removes ALL credibility from WashPo's list according to Debate. Org: "Using fake facts destroys your credibility" (4). In a silly way, Fact Checkers only accept claims as true if they can find another source for the info. Too often this standard is insufficient. (1, 2, & 3) https://www. Washingtonpost. Com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/? Utm_term=. 0728f131ae69 (4) https://www. Debate. Org/help/articles/tips-for-a-better-debate/ Con He gets caught lieing dozens times a day by fact checkers and then he is so brazen about his lies he doubles down on them, I think mueller who is a republican too is just an honest cop doing his job the best he can by the book, Trump is a croos between a mob boss and your generic white colloar criminal, And he lies |
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Pro ======== "If we're talking sheer numbers of lies, Trump dwarfs any President I think we've ever had. " ======== Says who? Does WashPo have a tracker for Obama's lies, Bush's lies, Clinton's lies? -Nope. We can't know how his lying compares without having comparable lists. ======== "Everyone lies. " ======== This is my exact point: Trump is just another one of the everyone that lie. Why should his lies be tracked when no one else's have been? I assert that Trump doesn't lie in a manner worthy of special tracking. His lack of complete honesty is in line with the mainstream of US politicians and media outlets nowadays. ========/======== There is an assumption of innocence without WashPo's credibility. Burden to you! Con billsands forfeited this round. |
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Pro For others, If you prefer to leave the burden of proof on me, Post a comment that you are open to a new challenge. Con https://www. Politifact. Com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ All False statements involving Donald Trump 
Unclear where number comes from  DONALD TRUMP
Says the United States loses "250 Billion Dollars a year on illegal immigration, Not including the terrible drug flow. Top Border Security, Including a Wall, Is $25 Billion. Pays for itself in two months. " — PolitiFact National |
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Even the President of the USA.
The only problem would be if people who do lie are not held accountable.
Not if he lies only if the consequence is just and appropriate.
WHY DOES PRESIDENT TRUMP GET AWAY WITH LYING? | OPINION
Most politicians lie. Or do they?
Even if we could find some isolated example of a politician who was scrupulously honest "former President Jimmy Carter, Perhaps" the question is how to think about the rest of them.
And if most politicians lie, Then why are some Americans so hard on President Donald Trump?
According to The Washington Post, Trump has told 6, 420 lies so far in his presidency. In the seven weeks leading up to the midterms, His rate increased to 30 per day.
This is me talking now. . . In other words Trump is the worst president of all time and a complete jacka$$ and full of s--t.
You attack Obama? Let's look at that. A discreet test was given between the two and no names were given between the two on one test. Then on another names were given of Trump and Obama. Here's what happened. . . On the no name test Obama won by an astounding 88%. When the name test was given Trump won by 73%. Now you think about that one. In other words people hate Obama for absolutely no reason at all without really knowing his policies. They wre so desperate for a change with Trump that they were willing to do ANYTHING to get Obama out. Oh and btw, Clinton won by 4. 2 million votes. Not that she would have done any better, But she wouldn't have said in an interview that only took place last week "What are you grateful for" Trump responds "I'm grateful for me. " What a truly conceited arrogant prick. Here's something else about the piece of s--t.
Fox news "When your"re sitting at the desk, How do you make decisions? I mean do you agonize over them? Do you second guess yourself? "
Trump "I don"t think about it. I don"t think about how I make them. "
Now does that sound like someone you or anybody wants in the big white barn? An idiot that doesn't think about one god damned thing? Oh and yeah that fakery that he believes in god. Nope. And he has -everything- in common with that
If we're talking sheer numbers of lies, Trump dwarfs any President I think we've ever had.
Clinton was impeached mainly because he lied about having a blowjob in the office. Is it to him you would compare several of Trump's lies?
I'd need an idea of what you think Obama's worst 'lies' were. I'm unfamiliar with them. Campaign promises broken perhaps, But that is not super convincing as a 'lie. '