The Instigator
RLangers21
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FandomInspired
Con (against)

Trump has improved the US

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Started: 3/29/2018 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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RLangers21

Pro

The U.S. economy had picked up in 2017, growing at an average annualised pace of almost 3 percent for the final three quarters, thanks in part to a burst of business spending. The Republican tax legislation may provide an additional jolt that results in some nice numbers into 2018.
But reaching Trump"s goal of a sustained pace of 3 percent will remain elusive unless consumer spending definitively shifts into a higher gear or companies manage to vastly improve productivity gains that have been disappointingly weak.
FandomInspired

Con

My opponent has stated economic examples of President Trump's influence on the United States. While I will address the flaws in Pro's argument on the economic influence later in this argument, I will first point out that economic prosperity of a country is not the sole factor of quality. Another factor is foreign affairs, in which America has taken a decline in through several administrations.

Under President Trump, however, the United State's foreign policy has made its way closer and closer to violent instigation. Even before the presidency, during his campaign, President Trump angered other world leaders with his rhetoric. Mexican President Enrique Pe"a Nieto showed dissent over President Trump's statement on Mexico paying for the proposed border wall (1). This is just one example, others being the reaction of foreign powers to the tariffs placed by President Trump.

Secondly, President Trump has repealed certain Obama-era policies that were very beneficial to the United State's well-being. Things such as clean energy policies are on this list. Clean energy policies help to further the longevity of American infrastructure through allowing our power grid to be sustainable for much longer than on coal power. Trump has also forbidden transgender citizens from serving in the United States military. This was defended by attempting to lower military spending, however, a study found the closest to a flat-rate number, which is difficult due to differences in transition procedures, to be $8.4 million. This may seem like a large number, but after you do the math with the $50 billion budget the Department of Defense has, you find that the ban only saves the military 0.017% (2). President Trump has forbidden an estimated 1,320 to 6,630 trans citizens in the active component.

Finally, we get to the economic prosperity. The 3% number was released prematurely. In fact, the actual number of 2.3% economic growth for 2017 is only a bit more than Obama's last term of 1.5% (3). However, the American economy has been on an increasing rate of growth since the Recession. It's hardly a valid point to say the .8% increase can be accredited to President Trump. The Trump administration has also not enacted any policies that have directly increased business spending. That is simply a false statement.

1: https://www.washingtonpost.com...

2: https://www.forbes.com...

3: http://www.latimes.com...
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Posted by Renie 3 years ago
Renie
1) Washington Post is a biased source, you made need to find other sources to back this point up,

2) The Trump administration has lowered the unemployement level significantly, which despite claims was NOT caused by Obama"s systems. (In fact, unemployment dropped in Obama"s era and only picked up towards the end of his term, which makes people think the rise in trump" s term when there are actually other indicators that explore the decrease in unemployment made my trump).

3) Yes, Trump"s foreign affairs are not the best. However, he has strengthened relations with Japan and Russia which will be beneficial to the US economy. He is currently making arrangements with North Korea in order to denuclearise the country, which is a great effort.

There are a few more things I could say, such as Trump"s issues with Amazon because they are ruthless competition for small businesses, but it"s currently 1 in the morning in my country and I"d prefer to sleep. Same thing goes for sources, but I"m not the one debating so I can"t really be bothered to find them again - but they are out there.
Posted by DeletedUser 3 years ago
DeletedUser
I personally wouldn't cite Washington post it is pretty biased.
Posted by ILikePie5 3 years ago
ILikePie5
@Amphia

I would disagree. The stock market has reached historic levels right after Trump was elected. His degulating has also helped small businesses and has decreased the unemployment with job raises being higher than predicted
Posted by Amphia 3 years ago
Amphia
Pretty sure that all the growth we've been seeing is a continuation of Obama era systems. But even if you don't believe that, the " burst of business spending" you're talking about isn't connected to Trump. He hasn't passed anything that has caused more business spending lol. Maybe he plans on it but talk is cheap.
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