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Undertale is better than fortnite

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Started: 3/23/2019 Category: Entertainment
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anc2006

Pro

Reason #1: Currency

Fortnite uses an imaginary currency in the game, Called V-bucks. V-bucks are used to buy stuff that will enhance your gaming experience. V-bucks possibly come in 3 ways: 1 of them is that you eliminate all human beings on the bandwagon-ish island and you get s "Victory Royale", Thus V-bucks are used here as a reward for winning the entire game. Another way is to buy a battle pass. Every battle pass earns you a steady amount of V-bucks as long as you get it. However normal gamers are jealous of the high-tier artifacts, Thus exchange real money with V-bucks to buy them. V-bucks were abused and revealing the flaw of the items: exposing gives out a disadvantage. Thus that's why fortnite money sucks.

On the other hand, Undertale money, Gold (that's what it's called), Were a reliable source to trade in-game. There're a handful of shopkeepers that can flirt with you (and may be change the price of it), Instead of a complete digital shop in which everything was taken for granted. Gold can be earned if you defeat an enemy without killing it. Gold can be earned if you sold one item to one of the NPCs spread across the kingdom. And most importantly, It does not get wired to the real currency. You can simply spare monsters and farm cash with it, Instead of killing up to 99 people and take the money for granted.

You all see that mom's credit card was stolen because the boy wants to play fortnite with a sense of pride. But is doesn't happen in Undertale: items like Old tutu and Dog residue were scattered everywhere, Aiding the protagonist Frisk, And causing them to develop the emotional changes through the route of battle against heroes. Currency isn't being utilized as a soulless stepping stone, Instead it is a "Philosopher's stone" which can possess ideas and moralities indirectly as when you used it for good. Toriel may call you when you trade with Sans or carry Undyne's letter along the journey. It is fun instead of soulless. Even in Genocide money could be used to buy weapons and fulfill your killing journey.

Con

"used to buy stuff that will enhance your gaming experience"
No, Its optional and fortnite is free, While undertale is 15 bucks. What are you talking about? You can only get v-bucks from buying or rare special events. V-Bucks font give anyone any advantage.

Undertale is 15 bucks and gold is used for kinda useless in game RPG items.

Stealing moms credit card isnt on the game Fortnite itself.

This is stupid. Stop comparing RPGS to battle royale games.
Debate Round No. 1
anc2006

Pro

Rebuttal to Dr. Franklin:

"Undertale is 15 bucks and gold is used for kinda useless in game RPG items. "
Well those 15 bucks are totally worth it. I know Fortnite is free, But the aesthetic minds of almost all 12-year-olds want to enhance to by skins or more. It isn't how it should be. It is how people handle it. That 15 bucks are spend, But the enrichment of the gameplay is non-money-wise.

"This is stupid. Stop comparing RPGS to battle royale games. "
What i actually mean is Rpgs are better than Battle royale games. Undertale is one of the leaders of this area, While Fortnite is very controversial on its ideas. The idea is evident. Also this debate is 5 rounds, So this is not enough. Can you show that you actually like Fortnite instead of Undertale?

Reason#2: Wifi coverage/On-offline logics

This paragraph is about That why offline games are better than online games. Undertale is an offline game, Which means that the game is intended to be played only by the player him/herself. Fortnite is an online game, Which means more than one player can be connected and be played at the same game.

Today has low wifi status. Fortnite is very laggy and the game is not playable enough. But when you put another disc into it, Such as Undertale, It would return normal. This is because Undertale is an offline game and thus barely being affected by the lack of internet connection. And that is why Undertale is better: It is constant as long as the console is plug in.

To say that all Battle royale games are online, Try some combat games played against bots. It would be less consuming to the web. "The Culling - Single player mode with bots. " this is one such example. You could argue that games like The Culling isn't as famous as Fortnite, Pubg and other online battle royales, Yet famous isn't always good. Fortnite is more like an epidemic.

Also games like Fortnite develop an addiction. It is so repetitive in a way that you don't want it to end. For example, Anybody has the experience of losing in fortnite want to get a victory royale immediately. This emotion cause it to let them play on and play on, Eventually develop an addiction on games which could be harmful for them. Something else, It is possible to be addicted to buying skins and other cosmetics that would be some sort of waste of money, Causing them to spend like a "boss" in real life and be a threat to the economy. (i'm not saying 100%, But it is definitely possible) all these start at a stage of online gaming.

On the other hand Undertale is offline. You can save and enjoy whenever you want to put it down or pick it up. It ain't some sort of attraction like, If you don't get victory you don't go. All those fights are either too hard or too easy to be attracted, Making themselves either skim through the fight or put the game down. Undertale isn't repetitive at all, Yet the fun isn't at all addictive either.

Con

Again 12 year olds buying currency is on the person not the game. You don't need to spend money.

I like battle royale better because you can play the game longer and on more platforms Undertale:PC and console
Fortnite:PC, Console, Mobile

Fortnite can be played on the go on mobile and nintendo switch. Undertale is also addicting. Fortnite awards skill and good players.
Debate Round No. 2
anc2006

Pro

Rebuttal to Dr. Franklin:

"I like battle royale better because you can play the game longer and on more platforms Undertale:PC and console
Fortnite:PC, Console, Mobile"

first up there is a missing comma or colon between platforms and undertale: Pc. Grammar problem here.
Also since the audience faced for fortnite were mostly teens, As well as they're studying for the school, Wouldn't fortnite on phones develop more of an addiction? I understand that fortnite can be played on more devices, That is also why it is Overrated. Undertale is "under"rated (pun intended for sans). Amount of devices does not matter. Mario games appear mostly on nintendo platforms only, Yet that doesn't affect any of them to be the best. Undertale is one of the best rpgs. Fortnite is not as good as other online games, Such as Pubg, Cs:go, And League of legends. They are all the same thing and on top of all fortnite is only the most popular game but not the overall best.

You like Battle royale? Explain why. I will explain why battle royale is not as good. Again i said quantities of platforms doesn't matter at all. The only thing matters is the actually quality on any platform.

"Fortnite can be played on the go on mobile and nintendo switch. Undertale is also addicting. Fortnite awards skill and good players. "

so can undertale be on nintendo switch. Haven't you heard of Mad Mew mew? New update.
Even if undertale is addicting, It is still not as addicting as fortnite. Fortnite may distract you until you get a reasonable score. But undertale? No. It is just one storyline and what addicts you? Is is not addiction anymore. It is called "passion".
fortnite awards skill and good players. True. As i explained in the first round. But if they only gives some fake money if you win the whole entire battle, Then new players would be driven away possibly because they are "bad". On the other hand, Undertale has save points. So it isn't biased towards the veterans. You can save in almost any location. You can spawn right out the spiritual point even if you were killed by the boss monster. It doesn't spawn you back to the shrine in the very beginning, In which you have to do everything once again. Fortnite is too unpredictable to play as a sheer entertainment.

Reason #3: Skillset required

Fortnite is a battle royale game. It is a game happen on the exact same island over and over again and requires the exact same controls every time. Tfue and Ninja got used to this control years ago, Yet this control sequence is too boring and monotonous to let most people like it. It could be fun, Yet it is also too monotonous for your brain even if you enjoy it every time you play it. It is very different for you to have an instant motion then that your brain actually think twice and thrice before the signal is actually filtered. Fortnite is always the instant motion when you get good. Always.

on the other hand, Even if most battle requires the red heart "determination" there are still many other battle modes appearing for your brain to take challenge. Even if you played it not once but twice, There is still a reminding message to your inner brain "prepare for this attack! " when you fight sans furiously. Different attacks (or even Rng) appears at different modes. For sans it is blue, And for Undyne it is green, And for mettaton it's yellow. All of them either gives you some weird physics or some weirder equipment that the main characters prepare for you. But on top of these undertale still gives you more variation on attacks. You could argue that different projectiles make a difference in fortnite, Yet almost all are the same according to the patterns. For the undertale Rng boss fights, You will never see that coming. Reflexes are more fatal battle-wise, And less overworld-wise. Fortnite has the most constant reflexes, Which your brain would forgot that it is in motion all of sudden.

I am not arguing that Tas-like speedruns count as one part of these theories. These speedruns are the outliers of the gameplays. Yet most of the gameplays obey my theories in my paragraphs.

see you next round.

Con

Jeez, You are the definition of NITPICKER. How is fortnite on phones bad? Again it is on the person not the platform. This only gives players more options to play and that's not bad nor is it useless. This point was to combat the point that undertale can be played offline, But fortnite can be played anywhere. Fortnite is good because it is always updated, Has a strong community, Fun gameplay and a strive to win. People keep playing fortnite because winning a game or getting a 20 bomb is so rewarding. A shot of happiness that is continuous, While undertale stops once you beat the game, There is so much more to explore in Fortnite, From the PVS, Creative or tournaments. How is fortnite addicting, Battle royale can be repetitive. Rewarding skilled players is god and why should people need to purchase in fortnite, Look at TFUE, Fake defaluts are now a thing. And you don't need to buy either. They are twitch prime, Xbox and playstation skins, Free battle pass and the game frequently pus free items in the shop and you can earn v-bucks.

no, Fortnite has way more complexity than undertale. Can you build efficiently, Can you do fast 90's, Can you wall ramp, Double wall ramp, Can you effectively get materials, Can you rotate efficiently, Can you drop efficiently, Can you aim, Can you use a variety of weapons in the game, Can you outplay your opponent, Can you edit efficiently, Can you build battle efficiently, Can you loot quick, Can you use ziplines, Hamster balls, Quadcrahsers and drift boards, Can you peek correctly, Can you push effectively, Can you use callouts effectively and so so much more.
Debate Round No. 3
anc2006

Pro

Key Quotes:
"Fortnite is good because it is always updated, Has a strong community, Fun gameplay and a strive to win. "
"While undertale stops once you beat the game"

Very Key Quotes:
"Can you build efficiently, Can you do fast 90's, Can you wall ramp, Double wall ramp, Can you effectively get materials, Can you rotate efficiently, Can you drop efficiently, Can you aim, Can you use a variety of weapons in the game, Can you outplay your opponent, Can you edit efficiently, Can you build battle efficiently, Can you loot quick, Can you use ziplines, Hamster balls, Quadcrahsers and drift boards, Can you peek correctly, Can you push effectively, Can you use callouts effectively and so so much more. "

Rebuttal to Dr. Franklin

For the first quote, You just said fortnite is good just because they have updates. Kind of true, Because then people will play on. But when all consistence of update is kept up and changeless, Then the player will be unsatisfied again, Because they need more gifts than last one. But what happens is that the season 8 pass gives the same amount or less compared to the previous seasons which is a bad idea to have many gifts from the beginning season. The player won't be satisfied. On the other hand that in undertale it does not update too much, Yet when it happens(mad mew mew), All the players were delighted. Because of a constance of a lack up update they got used to not updating, And thus getting happier for the new update. The quantity is not the key, But the rate or quality.

for the second quote you did say that undertale "stops". Physically it does not stop at all. It just return to the very beginning in which the fallen human is given a new name. This happens at the end of true pasifist and neutral route. It just set back to the beginning. You are much likely to be playing genocide because you like fortnite which is a battling game. But even if you play genocide you let out of the disk and put it back to make it back to the beginning. Even if the game crashed after Chara.

I understand that you may talk about the game is no more fun since you played the game already. However that is not the case. You can explore the world even more and doing secrets. Undertale contains So sorry and clyde, As well as the entry 17 room. However the most secretive thing fortnite can do it the piano at the retail row. You could argue that every fortnite round is different, But that is gaming experience, Next round, So stay tuned.

for the third quote you just listed everything only fortnite can do. You act like if any other game can do it, But it is not the case. Can you make AUs. Can you fight with real strong monsters. Can you eat stuff and heal. Can you act instead of kill. Can you be granted ability to split, Or to move up and down in a pattern, Or to move very slowly. No. Not even mods. These are only achievable by undertale (and deltarune).

That also lead for my fourth argument. Community.
Reason #4: Community

As i see this, This is nothing against the Undertale Fandom. Undertale fandom is something commercial even. Fortnite fans are just some salty children and teens that can do nothing more to enrich their life. Undertale fans can have artists, Advertisers and programmers, While fortnite can do none of these because they cannot change the game features at all. They can only use what's here now.

You could argue that more gamemodes are introduces in fortnite, But on the other hand, Fanon games, Or even canon, Are proceeding or changing the universe. They produce animes, Fanbattles, Aus and even 3d game. Fortnite waste too much time on making model, While Undertale can take more time to actually model up a new game. Just look the accesibility range. There are many remakes of undertale (underfell, Storyshift, Etc) on any gaming platform created by the fanon and cannon commmunity. And just look. No one had made any remixes of fortnite. It is complex and unnecessarily sophisticated. Smash bros is much better.

To answer, Can you even make a new map out of this? No for fortnite. But even the leader of the canon creativity, Toby fox, Had made a canon Au called Deltarune. Brand new character were introduced while old ones stay, Such creativity. You could argue at the point of view from another battle royale game, But other games are either real bloodbattles or decorations, Not a meaningless hybrid of both. I am sure none other game would be dumb enough to do this.

See you next round.

Con

Fortnite has been staying on a consistent update schedule
weekly for smaller patches
seasonal for huge updates

Therefore creating a healthy system players don't feel cheated

Actually, I have undertale and I almost beat it with the pacifist route. They are only a certain limit of hours of enjoyment while fortnite is endless. The Entry Number 17 is cool but Fortnite has many secrets in Save The World as as well as its own RPG.

All the things I listed are skills. Eating stuff and healing isn't skillful.

The Undertale Fandom is the definition of cancer. Https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=vjjCpgAj3PE. Just take a look at this and many more. Its no secret Undertale community is bad. Fortnite fans are not just salty kids. Its a large collection of sub-communities. Competitive, Streamer, Youtuber, Creative, Casual. All communities are a lot better than undertale and larger. Fortnite has creative which artist and developers can show off and Epic Promotes them. Toby Fox does NOT promote Undertale developers. They are many other battle royale games like fortnite
Debate Round No. 4
anc2006

Pro

Rebuttal to Dr. Franklin:

"weekly for smaller patches"
In fortnite glitches are glitches, In undertale glitches are not glitches. They are secrets. People can access secrets through glitches. Not say that if i am pro or con glitches, But fortnite doesn't care about secrets, At all.

"All the things I listed are skills. Eating stuff and healing isn't skillful. "
True. But if anybody who likes video games or skillful they are not as good in school. This is because only skill is not enough. I explained how instant reflexes is different from actual brain process. Only full of instant reflexes isn't going to help developing new skillsets. It simply let you stick with the old stuff to prevent you from accessing the new. Undertale on the other hand, Has real brain processes. It really excites your brains and making more activities. That is also good for your brain training.

So on top of all Undertale has better real experiences. The secrets are almost endless. For fortnite it is monotonous for all. That is also why tfue and ninja got "good". They just got used to one skillset and stick to none other. In Undertale many forms of challenges are activated through the game. Such as overworld dodging, White attack(damage), Blue and orange attacks as well.

"The Undertale Fandom is the definition of cancer. Https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=vjjCpgAj3PE. "
Good job listing the source. It is not the definition of cancer.

The undertale fandom is good on its own. Again you said yourself it depend on the person, Not the community itself. The undertale community can be good, Which a lot of creators did, And a lot of non-nerd kids playing. Some kids ruined the community by just being annoying, Just like tweens using mom's credit card for the sake of buying skins in Fortnite. That can both be real, But although there are annoying kids in Undertale fandom, There are still less of a percentage consider Undertale is a better game.

"They are many other battle royale games like fortnite"
That is the point. We would rather play Pubg and Csgo and the culling and anything else, That is better. The fact that other games have dying animations that are more realistic, Or any other animations proposed. You could argue that blood violence is bad for children, So is the game itself. All the games were rating Pg-13 or T, Which means teens can handle a bit of blood violence. Teaching children people disappear after death was a sacrilegious act between the present world and the spiritual world.

"Its a large collection of sub-communities. Competitive, Streamer, Youtuber, Creative, Casual. "
Just explained in the previous round. To say is that fortnite fans can do nothing to change any gamestyle. Most thay can do is spawning llamas in the creative mode. Minecraft did 100% better than that. You could argue that there are more quantity, Yet not all quantity portray quality. There are very high quality undertale youtubers that actually plays well, Yet more percentages of fortnite streamers are just play bad and rage.

"Fortnite has creative which artist and developers can show off and Epic Promotes them. Toby Fox does NOT promote Undertale developers. "
Fortnite uses a monarchy system. All of the work are all accepted in one place in which eventually one style of things will not be created anymore. There could be infinite types of skins, But eventually players will get bored and so what is the use of updating at this point. Undertale uses a Democratic system. It is possible to download different Au fangames when one ideas are out of stock. You see that only the best aus got finished, Yet none of them are really bad ideas.
also Fortnite teams need the promotion of their boss, Which is a dependency of freedom. Undertale creators doesn't need the promotions from the creator.

That leads to my 5th and final original argument.
Reason #5: Meaningfulness

Undertale is meaningful. It can teach you how to be a good person and anything like that. Undertale is beautifully crafted, Due to all these secrets, And all the motives of the characters, The storyline was very beautiful. One example is that of Toriel: She is the owner of the ruins, Where do you learn the tutorial from her. She tried to save you from the ruins but in order to progression toriel must be defeated. After all these battles through the entire underground kingdom, Toriel saves you from the insane Asriel, And still go with you after when you got back above ground. What a wonderful story! This is much better than Save the world, Consider you can spare and act and having the fun of avoiding the attacks, While learning some life lessons while playing.

Fortnite online cannot compare with this at all. Let's just compare it with Save the world. I've never actually beat Save the world but it is more like offline GtaV than normal Rpgs. You actually kill the world and save the world by doing that. What a ridiculous title! And also It does not teach you any life lessons and it gives much less fun that Undertale.

I am a little bit out of ideas so i'll keep this idea sweet and short.

See you at votes.

Con

Fortnite has secrets
Skill is reflexes
You don't understand, Fortnite has a way better skillste than Undertale
Nerd kids LOVE undertale, They want to anel Sans.
No the point is that there ARE parodies.
Fortnite streamers are not bad or rage
Monarchy? No, You can get any creative maps.
"Meanigful" BS. I doint play games to Be Meangiful
Debate Round No. 5
5 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 5 records.
Posted by Anonymous 3 years ago
Jukebox101
Same
Posted by Anonymous 3 years ago
notscum
I agree Undertale is better although neither game is of any interest to me.
Posted by Anonymous 3 years ago
K_Michael_Tolman
RPGs are generally better. Even Minecraft's freeplay is better than just "kill, Kill, Kill"
Posted by Anonymous 3 years ago
anc2006
@omar2345 didn't you argue with me about we do not need to use default skins. I thought you're gonna vote con.
Posted by Anonymous 3 years ago
omar2345
Your damn right Pro.
Don't like your reasoning but in general Undertale is better than Fornite.
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