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Video Gamers are all pathetic cheatrs today

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Started: 10/9/2018 Category: Games
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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FanboyMctroll

Pro

What ever happened to trying to solve a part of a game you are stuck with, Did I miss the memo on the fact that if you get stuck in a game for over 15 minutes you have to Google the answer? What ever happened to spending a few days to try to figure out the solution on your own? Are gamers today such losers that they have to look up an answer right away at any first point of getting stuck? And please don"t give me the excuse that time is precious so you need to speed run through a game so you have no time to get stuck. Than don"t bother playing adventure games or puzzle games, Just stick to your Tetris and Candy Crush games. I do not understand this looking answers up for games now. THAT"S CHEATING! I love a good challenge and I have eventually figured out every game I have been stuck in without looking up clues or answers. I kind of enjoy getting stuck sometimes because it extends the life of the game for me and the feeling of accomplishment is phenomenal after you figure out the part of the game you were stuck on, Especially if you were stuck for a long time on it. There is no better feeling that figuring out that puzzle you have been stuck on for a while. I don"t need clue books, Or on-line solutions, I"m not an ADHD baby who can"t use his brain to solve a puzzle.

So what happened to these brain dead gamers today? I remember 30 years ago when you got stuck in a game, There was no Internet, You couldn"t just go and get the solution in 3 minutes. You either figured it out on your own, Or you had the option to buy a clue book from the developer of the game for $30, Which was a lot when the game cost you $40. 00. So chances were you didn"t buy the clue book and you would figure it out eventually on your won. But with the Internet today gamers have become cheating losers, The instant they are stuck, They are looking up the answer on-line. ABSOLUTE CHEATING LOSERS! What"s the matter can"t handle a challenge?

The reason I"m writing this is because last weekend I had a chance to talk to two gamers in my family and both of them left me with my head shaking at their gaming attitudes. The first person, I was talking about the game I"m currently playing "The Witness", Yes I hate the game but I refuse to cheat and look up answers or quit, And I was saying how this is the longest I have played any game ever because I"m stuck on many puzzles and it"s been 6 months of playing this game and it might be another 6 months for me until I figure out the rest of the game. Well the response I got was "I would have looked up the answers long time ago! ? WHAT, So you are such a gaming cheater that you will just look up an answer when you get stuck for over 20 minutes? I already knew the answer to that question. The same person one time, I gave him a nail puzzle to try to unlock two nails twisted together, Just a fun little hand exercise game, Well after fumbling with it for 5 minutes he was Googling the answer and than came to me all proud with the nails taken apart. Well you didn"t do it! You cheated and looked up the answer. Well that is exactly what he does in video games. Pretty sad.

The other person last weekend was the son of a friend of mine. He has the Nintendo Switch and he is playing the new Zelda game, Breath of the Wild, Well I watched him play for a bit, He came up on some thorns in one area with something inside the thorns, He tried for 5 minutes to get past the thorns and couldn"t, I suggested that, You probably can"t go there yet or maybe have to burn down the thorns, Mind you he didn"t have the flame arrows yet in the game. Well he puts the game down and heads upstairs to look up the answer. (Sure enough, You need flame arrows) But from the way he did it, I could tell he does this regularly when he is stuck for over 1 minute anywhere in the game. And I thought to myself, What is the point in even playing this game? If you are just going to look up answers for everything, Why not just save yourself the hassle and just not buy the game at all and just read a walkthrough? Why bother playing if you need to have your hand held through the whole game and than cheat the whole way?

I just don"t get it? Gamers today are just all cheaters. For The Witness, They have entire forums of cheaters exchanging clues and tips on how to beat the game, Every puzzle is revealed, Pretty sad, Why even bother playing it?

I have been stuck in The Witness for over 6 months now, But I will not cheat, I will not look up a clue, I will figure it all out on my own. I want the challenge. I have been stuck in many games and I have always figured them out, And I"m proud to say I have NEVER looked up a solution. I am a true gamer who can master any game over time. Well todays generation of gamers I have to say are complete useless CHEATING LOSERS.

So go ahead look up your solutions, But to me you are no gamers, Just a bunch of useless ADHD cheaters!
zhaod1

Con

Just because some video gamers are cheaters doesn't mean that all are. Yes, You are correct that some video gamers look up the answers on the internet, But not all gamers do that.
In addition, Some games aren't knowledge based, Such as first person shooter games (I play Pixel Gun 3D as an example), So gamers playing it aren't even able to cheat by looking up information on the internet. Although gamers may be able to find information such as gun damage and popularity, The main purpose of first person shooter games is to virtually kill others, Not to answer questions or have to find information or etc.
It's just factually incorrect that all video gamers are "pathetic" cheaters today.
Debate Round No. 1
FanboyMctroll

Pro

Let me correct my statement, 99% of video gamers are cheaters, Whether it's to find all the loot, To find all the secrets or to get the best weapons in first person shooters or any type of game. People in nature are just liars and cheaters, Sure they will never admit it, But they are. Well it's no different in video games. Most will cheat to get an edge on their competition, To go further to do better, They just cheat.

Cheating in video games has existed for almost their entire history. The first cheat codes were put in place for play testing purposes. Playtesters had to rigorously test the mechanics of a game and introduced cheat codes to make this process easier

Of the online gamers, Only 12% have never had their multiplayer gaming experience negatively impacted by other players cheating. In other words, About 9 in 10 players have had a negative experience because of cheaters.
zhaod1

Con

Although many video gamers have cheated, Where do you draw the line between cheaters and non-cheaters? Are video gamers that cheated very rarely still considered to be cheaters?

Of a survey of video game respondents, Around 57% said that they had never cheated in video games before, 12% said rarely, 13% said sometimes, 9% said often, And 3% said always. Although it may be that more respondents actually cheated and that they just lied, It shows that not 99% of all video gamers or cheaters, Or even that more than 50% of all video gamers are cheaters.

Source is in the comments.
Debate Round No. 2
FanboyMctroll

Pro

Although you say that 57% of gamers said that they don't cheat, That is a lie! Like in anything in life people lie. They don't want to admit but they lie. It's the same in video games, You get stuck in a game, You just look up a suggestion on-line, That's cheating, You can't figure it out so what do you do, You quickly look up, Maybe not the complete solution but hints on how to do it, That's cheating.

Try finishing a game from the start without looking up anything, How many people will admit they have not looked up something in a game at one time or another. How many people can admit to being stuck in a game for 8 months and not looking up an answer. Because I can, I can proudly say I have NEVER EVER looked up anything for any video game. But I'm one of the 1% few that are hardcore gamers that play on the nightmare difficulty for every game and I never cheat. I want the challenge, I can beat any game on the hardest difficulty, It's just a matter of practice, But most gamers have ADHD and would not spend 8 months trying to crack a code or beat a very difficult boss, They will resort to cheating instead of using patience to figure it out on their own.

Like speeding on the road, It's illegal, Yet everyone does it, But if you ask them about it they all say, No I don't speed, But I just saw a guy speed past me. Nice deflection, It's the same with gamers, Deflect the fact you are a cheater.

Have you ever cheated in a game? Any game at all? I think it"s safe to say that most of us have used cheats in at least one game. Game cheats are a part of gaming culture. The Konami Code is famous in its own right. Who of us that played the original Doom hasn"t typed in "IDDQD" to activate "god mode"? Anyone beside me?

We know that small forms of cheating are very common and large forms of cheating are pretty rare. The way it is, Is that everyone cheats some of the time, But very few people cheat all of the time. The issue is that, In absolute terms, The damage done cumulatively by all the small cheaters adds up to much more than that of the small number of big cheaters.

People all have a small bit of cheating leeway that they can do and not feel bad about themselves. Sometimes however, This leads down a slippery slope. Someone tries a small form of cheating, Gets away with it and slowly but surely their dishonesty ratchets up to the point where it becomes a real problem with serious consequences. Although the total length of the journey to being a big cheater may be long, The hops in between are very small. That makes it easy to rationalize each one. Once you have reached a certain level of dishonesty, Your baseline also shifts. Once you are comfortable with where you are, You can just fudge along again.

Majority of gamers are cheaters, Case closed

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zhaod1

Con

You have only speculated that the majority of the gamers that said they never cheated before actually lied. Of course, There is a big possibility that at least a small margin of them cheated, But you can't assume that less than 2% of the gamers that voted they never cheated actually lied to fulfill your claim that 99% of all video gamers cheat.
You can't compare video game cheating with speeding, Because it is actually a law for people to keep up with the flow of the traffic, Even if people are speeding.
Yes, I have cheated on the Impossible Quiz, But have never cheated on multiplayer games before.
I rarely see gamers that play multiplayer games cheat.
Even if the majority of the video gamers are cheaters, That doesn't mean that 99$ of them are cheaters.
Debate Round No. 3
13 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by FanboyMctroll 3 years ago
FanboyMctroll
I know I tried to post my sources too in comments and it won't let me. DDO drives me nuts!
Posted by zhaod1 3 years ago
zhaod1
Wow, DDO doesn't even let me post the source in comments
Posted by FanboyMctroll 3 years ago
FanboyMctroll
Thanks, I just noticed that, So how are you supposed to provide sources in your debate

DDO is starting to really piss me off now
Posted by Masterful 3 years ago
Masterful
You can't post sources or it deletes your argument.
Posted by FanboyMctroll 3 years ago
FanboyMctroll
I just posted my second round debate with sources and now it's gone WTF!

DDO is really pissing me off!
Posted by PointProven 3 years ago
PointProven
I've never played dungeons and dragons
Posted by PointProven 3 years ago
PointProven
No it's digital.
Posted by FanboyMctroll 3 years ago
FanboyMctroll
Is it like Dungeons & Dragons?
Posted by PointProven 3 years ago
PointProven
Hearthstone is a pretty sexy game. Just look it up.
Posted by FanboyMctroll 3 years ago
FanboyMctroll
I enjoy finishing games too, But I don't cheat to get to the end.

I don't know what Heathstone is?
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