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Was the New Covenant taken from us?

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Started: 2/8/2019 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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jfietsam

Pro

After growing up Christian, I lost my faith as it seemed to make zero sense to me as I got older. When I found the Book of Proverbs, I was fascinated by God and His Laws and Regulations. It seemed I could finally find some understanding of Him. It set me out to do more research, But I won't share all that here to spare the boredom. However, I will suggest that everyone reads Matthew 5:17-20:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, Or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, But to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, One jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, Till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, And shall teach men so, He shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, The same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, Ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
billsands

Con

Why did Sanata leave me coal? See you make the asumption that gods exists without proving so
Debate Round No. 1
jfietsam

Pro

Oh whoops, I almost forgot, God is just the Santa Clause for adults. When will our parents finally tell us He's not real? Glad you're here to spread the word my friend!
billsands

Con

No one knows for sure but and this is a great big butt, Is deism what ever you beleive it should be based on logic and scietific inquiry not blind devotion to a book of fairy tales
Debate Round No. 2
jfietsam

Pro

Why does anyone else's opinion matter to you? Has God proven His existence to you personally at ANY point in your life? Because I guarantee that IF He is real, Then He probably knows the answer to that question better than I would. I don't know, God has revealed Himself to me in various ways from small things such as finding my keys and wallet, Making sure I'm not late to work and all the way to the way worship once felt in church. That's something everyone should figure out for themselves. I don't think He could possibly reveal Himself in one form or another to everyone though, Because if He did, Then there would be a lot of foolish people in this world. I appreciate you taking the argument, But I wish someone who actually believed would have taken the argument, So it could be a little more productive for those seeking truth.
billsands

Con

the only thing real to me right now is this hangover, God has never proven his existence to ANYONE if he did we could see and hear him take him out for a drink on a staurday night, Have you ever had a beer with god? Then he isnt real
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by billsands 3 years ago
billsands
most historians accept he existed as a person the dispute is over his status as a deity and there is zero evidence he was anything more than a man
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
More proof. . .
Here are some videos to prove jesus either didn't exist, Or was a liar, And if he did exist the bible most certainly has it wrong in that this figure never had the biblical powers that the bible claimed he had.

https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=6lqC8fvIspY - jesus wasn"t jesus (Aron Ra) #1
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=KXAGpCTiGlQ - The True Core of the jesus Myth (Christopher Hitchens) #2
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=apS_679ru50 - Did jesus Exist? #3
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=9AzwJ9d4i1g - Why christianity is Unreasonable (Richard Carrier) #4
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=x-slAgzJmdU - Why Does Every Intelligent christian disobey jesus? #5
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=AJMd5UiTeys - Biggest Lie - The fourth gospel #6 ("The first striking revision in the 4th gospel is that the ministry of jesus has ballooned out from from one year to three. The writers not only make a reference not only from one but to three distinct passover festivals. Now was this just a tradition that some early christians held to a three year ministry and others to a one year ministry? Can anyone honestly maintain that whole dialogues could be remembered word for word for many decades and yet believers have no common agreement whether these words were said during one year or during three years? ") Um duh. Do you REALLY THINK jesus existed?
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=lDpEeHD54Mo&t=1397s - The Gospel According to Carrier #7 (Richard Carrier states jesus may have possibly existed, But scrap all the mythology)
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=O5AordEPtok - Proving the Historicity of Jesus? Tracie and David #8
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=hmKTUOzXRkI&t=188s - Stephanie Thomason vs Matt Dillahunty, Or how not to debate an Atheist! #9 (skip to the 7:00 mark! ) Oh this one is good and Pro is the caller with his furry tongue.
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=NAqEmYJcXX8 - What did jesus do for you? #110

Regardless, Please tc and have fun!
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
Many problems with those verses. 1. 17 So according to jesus, His father, Namely god works on the sabbath. 2. There"s a 0% chance that god is going to work on the sabbath, NOT ever. So either 3. Jesus flat out lied thus proving that he is false, The entire NT is false and christianity is false or 4. These verses are misprints in which is the most likely of probabilities in which is supposed to be a perfect book. 5. The entire OT is false which there"s a 0% chance of that if you believe in god as once again there"s no chance god would ---ever--- work on the sabbath. 6. 18 Notice how jesus himself appoints himself to be equal with god? 7. Where did jesus get the permission from god to do this? 8. Wow. What an egotist. 9. No need to worry. The entire bible screams of god"s superior ego god complex. That"s what the bible is entirely about and nothing else. 10. There"s no proof whatsoever that god and jesus has ---ever--- existed.

More proof. . .
god never appointed this travesty named jesus as the messiah and thus gave him powers to change his laws. God never stated anywhere in his bible something to the effect of "I the lord thy god grants jesus the power to change my laws, Rules and regulations. " The fact of the matter is, Is that it doesn't exist anywhere. But in truth I hope that you find it, Because then that would mean that god has appointed a well known liar. And if god is god, This supposed god would know that this jesus would lie. AND he would also know that this jesus would point blank do it several times. Thus once again christianity would be proven to be false, The NT would be false, Christ would be false.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
So do you believe in god or not? Well your statement of "I lost my faith as it seemed to make zero sense to me as I got older. " This does stand to be true and here's why in multiple ways.
http://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=x-slAgzJmdU - Why Does Every Intelligent christian disobey jesus? Please pay attention closely because since christ is proven to be the false messiah, Clearly without any supposition, Indeed the NT is entirely false, All of christianity is false, Christ is false and the jews have it correct.
*Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. "
*Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, The flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. "
*2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, And is profitable for doctrine, For reproof, For correction, For instruction in righteousness:"
*Psalm 19:7 "The law of the Lord is perfect, Converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, Making wise the simple. "
*Psalm 119:160 "Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. "
* James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, And cometh down from the Father of lights, With whom is no variableness, Neither shadow of turning. "
In other words god"s word is PERFECT. It cannot be changed by anyone or anything. Christ, Being the lowly underhill of god that he supposedly was in which like god who in which nobody can even prove has ever existed could not change god"s laws because god"s word is PERFECT and cannot be changed. Does this make sense?

More proof. . .
"John 5: 16-18 "16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, And sought to slay him, Because he had done these things on the sabbath day. 17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, And I work. 18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, Because he not only had broken the sabbath, But said also that God was his Father, Making himself equal with God. "
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