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What leds to the war during 1900s

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Started: 1/12/2019 Category: Philosophy
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LOL98700z

Con

This is not a debate. I would simply like to discuss this with anyone. 3 rules:
1. No voting on this debate please. I will get the next discussion up asap.
2. I would like people to participate in comment. Use as much words as you like.
3. No offending language. (Also, Please use some good citations and also books would be preferred. )
So here is my opening thoughts.
Introduction: In my introduction, I would love to use a paragraph from H. G. Wells's The War Of The Worlds(1898):

The houses caved in as they dissolved at its touch, And darted out flames; the tress changed to fire with a roar. . . So you understand the roaring wave of fear that swept through the greatest city in the world just as Monday was dawning - the stream of flight rising swiftly to a torrent, Lashing in a foaming tumult round the railway stations. . . Did they dream they might exterminate us?

As many would agree with me that this was indeed a beautiful piece of literary work, It also portrays a world, A Lethal Century.

Published on the eve of the twentieth century, H. G Well's The War Of The Worlds is much more than just a seminal work of science fiction. It is also a kind of Darwinian Morality tale, And at the same time, A work of singular prescience. In the century after the publication of his book, Scenes like the ones Wells imagined became a reality in cities all over the world. Not just in London, Where Wells set his tale, But in Brest-Litovsk, Belgrade and Berlin; In Smyrna, Shanghai and Seoul.

- Gene Pool:
Not without reason, Hermann Goring explicitly called the second World war 'the great racial war'. That was indeed how many contemporaries experienced it. The importance then attached to notions of racial difference now seems rather strange. The science of modern genetics has revealed that human beings are remarkably alike. In terms of origins can be traced back to Africa between 100, 000 and 200, 000 years ago, And who began to spread into new continents only as recently as 60, 000 years ago - in evolutionary terms, The proverbial blink of an eye. However, I must hereby quote the American anthropologist Melville J. Herskovits: "Two people never meet, But the mingle their blood. " Mingling, However is only one of a range of options when two diverse human population meet. The minority group may remain distinct for breeding purposes but become integrated into the majority group in all or some other respects. The problem is, Why, If minorities face so many risks by not assimilating, Do ethnic identities persist, Even in cases where no biological distinction exists?

As is well known, The first ostensibly scientific attempt to subdivide the human species into biologically distinct races was by swedish botanist Carolus Linnaeus(Carl Von Linne). In his Systema Naturae(1758), He identified four races: Homo Sapiens Americanus, Homo Sapien Asiaticus, Homo Sapien Afer, And finally Homo Sapien europaeus. This was a profound transformation in the way people thought. Previously, Men have tended to believe that it was power, Privilege and property that were inheritable, As well, No doubt, As the social obligations that went with them. The royal dynasties who still so much of the world in 1900s were the embodiments of this principle. Even the republic that occasionally arose in the modern period, Still tended to retain the hereditary principle with respect to wealth, If not to office and status. Racial theorists claimed not only colour and physiognomy but also intelligence, Aptitude, Character and even morals and criminality were passed on in blood from generation to generation. This was another central paradox of the modern era. Even as the hereditary principle ceased to govern the allocation of office and ownership, So it gained ground as a presumed determinant of capability and conduct. Men cases to be able to inherit their father's jobs; in some countries, During the twentieth century they even ceased to be able to inherit their estates. But they could inherit their traits, As legacies of their parents' racial origins.

To be sure, The world on Sept 11 1901, Was not a bad place for a healthy white man with a decent education and some money in the bank. Writing 18 years later, The economist John Maynard Keynes could look back, With a mixture of Nostalgia and irony to the day when the class to which he belonged had enjoyed ' at a low cost and with the least trouble, Conveniences, Comforts and amenities beyond the compass of the richest and most powerful monarchs of other ages. Not only could Keynes's inhabitant of London buy the world's ware and invest his capital in a wide range of global securities; he could also travel the earth's surface with unprecedented freedom and ease. But the crucial point, As Keynes saw it, Was that the man of 1901 regarded this state of affair as normal, Certain and permanent, Except in the direction of further improvement and any deviation from it as aberrant, Scandalous and avoidable. It is worth turning back to The Times of that golden ages to verify Keyne's justly famous recollection. Exactly a century before two hijacked planes slammed into the twin towers of the World trade center, The Globalization was indeed a reality, Despite that word was as yet unknown. This, Is a simple example, As to prove, The world of 1901 was a world of empires, But the problem was their weakness, Not their strength.
W0LV3NBANE

Pro

Here is some opening thoughts.

Political turmoil

The years before the 20th century were those of strife. The ottoman empire had fallen, Austria hungary was crumbling, And russia and spain looked on this in fear. Would they be the next to collapse? Not to mention the sudden emergence of Germany. Prussia had merged with parts of austria to become the greatest power of the time. Despite their overwhelming power, They were denied the colonies traditional european monarchs had. Even the netherlands had more colonies then Germany. Germany had all of this power and they felt like europe was denying them of what they deserved.

Then there is the world leaders of the time. Germany had been unified by a skilled leader and diplomat, Otto von bismark, The iron chancellor who did what was thought impossible, Unifying germany with a prussian head instead of a austrian one. Otto however had resigned, Refusing to work with germany's new incompetent kaiser wilhelm II, Who decided to replace Otto's foreign policy with quote "in favour of a war of aggression". Czar nicholas was a leader with a inferiority complex, Always feeling like everyone though of him as weak. A war, No matter the scale, Could make him seem a strong leader.

All of this brought great tension to europe, Which erupted into the first world war.
Debate Round No. 1
LOL98700z

Con

LOL98700z forfeited this round.
W0LV3NBANE

Pro

You know it takes two people to have a discussion.
Debate Round No. 2
LOL98700z

Con

I gotta forfeit this discussion. I am doing my final exams right now. Sry.
W0LV3NBANE

Pro

Okay. Never thought I would win a discussion, But alright.
Debate Round No. 3
LOL98700z

Con

https://docs. Google. Com/document/d/1ZAtmo4Xrboc1XBfYYr4i_VRfYezobMO6SCQC-0SOObA/edit? Usp=sharing
W0LV3NBANE

Pro

The link doesn't work.
Debate Round No. 4
LOL98700z

Con

uhhhh. . . . . .
https://docs. Google. Com/document/d/1ZAtmo4Xrboc1XBfYYr4i_VRfYezobMO6SCQC-0SOObA/edit? Usp=sharing
W0LV3NBANE

Pro

Still doesn't work.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by K_Michael_Tolman 3 years ago
K_Michael_Tolman
It doesn't really relate to WWI or II, I just like it.
The message, At least as I see it, Is this.
Basically, Aliens come to conquer Earth, And the efforts of Britain to fight them are not enough. The aliens continue making more machinery to attack us with, Heat rays, Giant robot suits, Etc. They also begin to collect humans, Not just kill them.
All of Britain is in a panic, With London emptied. One man makes the observation that some of them could remain safe, In the sewers of London, While the Martians raise the rest like cattle in dominion of the Earth.
Soon, However, The aliens die, Presumably from an earth disease, To which they have no immunity.

So what I got from all of this is that humans are basically powerless. You could make more claim about the power of nature, Or the inherent weakness of the mighty, But I felt that it taught us just how dangerous the unknown and new are.
Posted by W0LV3NBANE 3 years ago
W0LV3NBANE
K_Michael_Tolman
I'm not sure I understand the message of war of the worlds.
Posted by K_Michael_Tolman 3 years ago
K_Michael_Tolman
I loved The War of the Worlds!
it was a very inspiring message, How nothing we could do was able to stop them, If not for terrestrial diseases, These Martians could have taken months to stop, And in the meantime, They're terrorizing the whole of Britain, And maybe even moving further.

You can see a similar development in Michael Crichton's Andromeda Strain, Where the killing alien bacteria mutated into something harmless. It shows how powerless we often are, And how not everything is in our control. This is actually a common theme across Crichton's works.
I'm not going to go into the World Wars, I just wanted to say that.
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