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backwardseden
Pro (for)
The Contender
pranjay
Con (against)

When you get rid of god and its religion and faith what are you going to replace it with?

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Started: 6/4/2021 Category: Philosophy
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backwardseden

Pro

Peace, Kindness, Care, Harmony, Love in a very big way. No more wars because "my god is better than your god". No more "worship me or else". No more tepid hatred of the LGBQ community because a BOOK says so. No more ordering women around and telling them what to do with their bodies. No more idiot dysfunctional 10 commandments. No more mythical false beliefs that cannot possibly be proven, Etc.

When you get rid of cancer what are you going to replace it with? Life.
pranjay

Con

I think it would be better to introduce the concept of modern religion than throwing religion away even though i myself am an athiest. Religion should not be something that can not change with time, We can make it dynamic and we should be able to question its beliefs and change them. Dumb beliefs about LGBTQ community should be deleted from all religions.
These are my arguments-
1- No religious community will agree if u say you should get rid of your religion.
2-Even if u will succeed it will create new problems.
-Love for god make people do good things like donate for charity, Promote peace, Help others in need, And even sacrifice their own needs for greater cause.
-Fear of god make people fearful of doing anything wrong, Immoral(not only according to religion, But also the law)
3-Belief in god give people hope and reason to live in tough times.
People are more likely to follow religion than Law, So wouldn't it be more logical to make these two work together than throwing one away.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

Le boo. John Lennon's "Imagine". I consider this to be the greatest song of all time in which case I'm a music nut. John was certainly against all facets of religion and believed in peace.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, Only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today
I

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You

It isn't hard for this world to do without religion and it must if there is to be worldwide peace. Socialism will also eventually win out. Again if there is to be worldwide peace.
Also, Look at the happiest countries on earth and have been for decades. They are socialists in nature. They are European nations and they really don't have religious statues with the power of the church.
This is a very simple google.
Also, Religion especially christianity in which case there is no such thing because supposed christians do what they want, How they want, For whatever suits them best for their wants needs, And desires and they chuck the rest of the bible which takes place all over the world and is sharply declining and the church and its power is dwindling.
Some of the reasons are because of the LBGQ which doesn't fit with any religion especially christianity, The millennials, And noones who in growing up simply don't have time for religion, People want to start families so they grow out of religion, They don't agree with the laws, Rules, And regulations of religion in which case many of them are completely unjustified and absurd such as death if working on the sabbath and blaspheme and cursing at your parents, Etc.
Again, This is a very simple google.
Here's a very good article on it from Pew Research Center, The very best poll company in the world. Now DDO will not take its codes for the link but you can look it up by simply copy and paste the title into your google search engine and if you scroll down, There it is for you to click on. . .
"In U. S. , Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace"
Right off the bat "the religiously unaffiliated share of the population, Consisting of people who describe their religious identity as atheist, Agnostic or "nothing in particular, " now stands at 26%, Up from 17% in 2009. "
That says one helluva lot.

"Religion should not be something that can not change with time"
Actually, It cannot be changed with time as that's what religion is, The belief in a "supreme being(s)" perfection of course, Naturally without a single shred of proof of its existence.

"We can make it dynamic and we should be able to question its beliefs and change them. "
The keyword you use is "should". See, That's the thing is all religions, No exceptions, None are in absolute fear of that questioning. That's why they use faith instead of evidence.

"Dumb beliefs about LGBTQ community should be deleted from all religions. "
Of course they "should". After all the current pope has accepted the LGBQ. Also, Though on the downside, The word "homosexuality" was not put into the bible until 1947. Regardless, No religion accepts the LGBQ. And if you travel into Arab lands and you are gay or a lesbian and it is known that you are, Your head might be chopped off. That's what the religious teaching teaches for this to occur like it or not. Sad, Really sad because being gay is not a choice. It's something people are born with.
There's also no "why" in the bible as to why LV 20: 13 "If a man also lie with mankind, As he lieth with a woman, Both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. " someone, Anyone should "be put to death" for being gay, For blaspheme, Working on the sabbath, Committing adultery, Cursing at your parents, (those previous 4 are 4 of the 10 commandments) or for whatever reason. It's completely ridiculous that absolutely nobody should follow.
Yet there are many that do and the worst thing of all is they justify it in which case there is no justification for anything like this. This is when I completely and rightly dump this person. He's gone from whatever debate I'm in, Or even if this person is a supposed friend in my life. Yeah there's many that argue this here on DDO as being correct and justified. Sorry. It's they that are incorrect, Completely immoral and bankrupt.

1- No religious community will agree if u say you should get rid of your religion.
True. But that's as of today's culture. Who knows what tomorrow will bring? Hopefully something sensible.
But the thing is, Is there's nothing sensible about religion. After all, A god(s) can never prove its existence. What if it's lying as the christian supposed unproven whatever "god" did with several verses according to the print? This means how can ---anyone--- possibly know when this "god" is telling the truth for anything? Fact from the truth? Those who are religious don't get it and they don't want to get it.

2-Even if u will succeed it will create new problems.
True. But that's true with anything.
"-Love for god make people do good things like donate for charity, Promote peace, Help others in need, And even sacrifice their own needs for greater cause. "
"-Fear of god make people fearful of doing anything wrong, Immoral(not only according to religion, But also the law)"
Fear and love. However, If you think about it, That's a contradiction. You cannot fear something and love something. That's what battered wives do. They claim to love their husbands as they beat them. That doesn't work. Also what a truly tepid unproven god to put fear into anybody.
Here's how most religions are created though not all. First comes power. Then that power trickles down to fear. And then with that power and fear that trickles down to control.
Also that fearful of doing anything wrong, Of being sent to a "mythical" hell or something of that nature, Of sinning or whatever the terminology may be. Well think about this, In order for those things to occur, You or anyone must first prove that a god exists. Sadly those who are religious don't get this.
Power. Fear. Control.
I gotta state that giving to whatever charity can and most certainly is done without a god and religion.
Also think about this, According to their religious beliefs that their "god" knows everything that there is to know, And is in control of everything - right? Then SHEBANG it can stop all the suffering that there is, Especially among children, Promote peace, This this "greater cause" would not exist, There would be no requirement for any charities, Or to help others in need etc. Here's a way of looking at things. . .
1. This supposed god is unwilling to show up which is not the fault of anybody and that is the fault of this unproven god that nobody can prove exists and the entire blame and fault would go towards this god that it did not provide any proof of its existence in which is the case here should it exist or 2. This unproven god can"t show up which would mean that it is not omnipotent and or it is not perfect which would mean that it is not a god 3. This supposed unproven god absolutely 100% loves what is going on here on planet earth among man and loves the evil, Hate, Suffering, Especially among children that it knowingly created as it constantly gives power to the evildoers in the first place to commit their atrocities, So why would it want to change a thing? 4. It has no control over the evildoers as to what they have done in the past, What they are doing now, And what they will do in the future, Which once again means that this supposed unproven god is not in any possible way a true genuine god. 5. This supposed god cannot prove its existence as already mentioned. 6. This supposed unproven storybook character fabled fantasy god of print only from the bible that nobody in the history of the human race has ever been able to prove its existence, Does not exist. Which is it?

3-Belief in god give people hope and reason to live in tough times.
True. Yeah, There's that word "belief". And what "law"(s) are you referring to?
But what about suffering children who don't know of this god? Notice that it's never there while daddy is putting his you know what inside of his daughter age 4 sometimes twice per week pumping away for 14 years while punching her in the face until she runs away and that's only the start of her horrors? Yeah, This supposed "god" gives the "power" to daddy to commit his detestable acts while the daughter has no free will whatsoever to escape AND SCREAM at the top of her lungs. Notice that this "god" has never lifted someone who has been glued to a wheelchair for life, Or have limbs grow back if someone has lost a leg (this can be done with a fish or a frog or a tree or a plant, Why not a human? ), If someone is born retarded, Etc.
Wow if those who are religious could actually put some reasoning, Rationalizing, Thinking, Common sense, Logic they'd also realize that since this "god" is almighty and powerful it's this "god" that created these tough times. Even worse it knowingly knew of it quadrillions of years beforehand. That's only true if it's a true genuine god. Or say it's satan or the devil that created these horrific suffering times? Well first just like this unproven god, You'd have to prove that it exists. Say it does, Then what religious people are saying is that satan-has-more-power-over-their-god. Great news - right?

"You"ve got 3 religions of peace all worshiping the same god of love and forgiveness, And yet they"ve been at war, Continuously, Ever since their inceptions. " Aron Ra
"More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason. " George Carlin

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Posted by Ihsieman 1 month ago
Ihsieman
Actually, The highest killer in the world is old age, Then disease, War makes up a small portion of this, Religious wars even less. The highest cost religious war was the Mongol conquests in fact, Which killed some 40 million people, 10 million less than a war with no religious contest WW2, But some say the WW2 death rate was 80 million. The crusades, Are often cited, But, They had a relatively low death rate form battle, Most death in war back then come from infection. Crusades max out at three million dead, Compare that to the Russian revolution, Which killed a minimum of 9 million. Also we ate the fruit, All human suffering comes from that, It was an exchange, We gain free will, But eden is gone. I say it was worth it, Look at all we have done. Also I have no idea why you're complaining about the LGBTQQIP2SAA+ community when you forgot not only the T but also the extra Q, I, P, 2S, A, And other A, And more. You can start complaining when you acknowledge all these.
Posted by Ihsieman 1 month ago
Ihsieman
My review of the song

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do

Countries are in human, And any animal's nature, Forming groups is part of biological instinct.

Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too

Only animals have no religion, As they are not self aware, Human's, In a need for understanding find themselves contemplating their own existence, Which leads to the discovery of Gods.
Imagine all the people

Living life in peace
You

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can

Oh god, No possessions would be a nightmare, At that point why do anything, Humanity has evolved over the ages to want reward for work, With out reward how would we make the world run.

No need for greed or hunger

Greed is part of human nature, And Hunger a biological instinct.

A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You

Great song, Listen to it all the time infact, But it makes not sense
Posted by Ihsieman 1 month ago
Ihsieman
Backwardseden is transphobic bigot, He forgot the T in LGBTQQIP2SAA+, And so is a complete transpoabic bigot.
Posted by rockhudson 1 month ago
rockhudson
Yoga, Travel, Meditation, Triathlon, Dogs. . . You just need to replace with anything to be fulfilled
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Posted by Surgeon 1 month ago
Surgeon
Well we are living through this now. What happens when we get rid of religion? It is replaced by other secular religions: Marxism, Environmentalism, Post Modernism, Critical Theory, Socialism, Communism, Wokeism etc etc etc.

The most informative example of this being Environmentalism which mirrors Chrsitianity down to the last tee: There is orginal sin (you are a CO2 producing polluting human), You have to "believe" the science (which is far from convincing, Particulalry the laugahbale "hockey stick" curve which are 2 different data sets collected from different methodologies and then spliced together), It predicts a catastrophic end of humanity (which you can avoid only by prostrating yourself by sacrafice, Living in a moss house and eating beans), It has its own saviour figure (Greta Thunberg, A mentally ill girl ruthlessly exloited by adults), And anyone who denies it are "deniers". It is a total religious structure. The same is true of all quasi leftist worldviews going back as far as Marx himself.

I am an atheist myself an I see precious little Peace, Kindness, Care, Harmony, Love from other fellow atheists. Only vengeful resentment of others and belittling of others beliefs. Go figure?
Posted by brodiescott76 1 month ago
brodiescott76
Communists killed more people in the 20th century than Christianity in the last 2000 years. Religion is nit the fundamental cause of war.
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