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backwardseden
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Mingodalia
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Why can't christians take their god at his word? Well only whenit suits them as is the christian way

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backwardseden

Pro

First off the christian god has freely admitted that he is "evil" on numerous occasions. Isaiah 45:7 " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." among many other verses perfectly proves that god IS EVIL. So the christian god is evil. Yes, that's according---to---him. Its this christian god that matters, not you. So why cannot christians accept the fact that their god is in fact "evil"? I mean what is so hard and difficult to understand about that? Nothing to anyone who is intelligent.

Secondly, then there's a whole bunch of other negative baggage emotions that the christian god has freely admitted to having such as anger, wrath, vengeance. rage, fury, (if you do not know these then you do not know your bible) jealousy... Jealousy? What? From a supreme deity? Jealousy is nothing more than anger as disguised fear. And get this folks Exodus 34:14 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:" Yes that's right! The christian name of god is JEALOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now how hideous and vile is that? So of course you are NOT IN ANY WAY going to take him at HIS WORD now are you? Why no. That is of course unless you think jealousy is a "good" thing to have coming from a supreme deity. Well not from any sane, sober, wise person.

Third, since this god has these negative emotions it proves ultimately that he is imperfect. Who would want to worship this piece of white trash lard who is imperfect with all those baggage emotions?

Forth, oh it gets better because this god in which nobody can even prove exists, its the wowzersville of belief that counts, neatly passed down those emotions to man so in turn man could learn to hate. Great going god. Great going man for worshiping this god.

So do you as a person NOT take your friends and loved ones at their word? If you do, well good luck in not having any friends or loved ones.

Should you or anyone be worshiping this so-called god who in his bible has demonstrated he has a superior bloated ego complex in which NOBODY can even prove exists? Especially when this god hates gays, hates anyone that does not believe in him, endorses slavery, gets jealous, he wants you to die if you work on the sabbath, commit adultery, he's admitted several times that he IS evil, has admitted more that several times that he hates children and babies, hates women, loves rape, commits abortions, loves cannibalism, loves his deliberate genocides etc etc etc? Why? Why not?

* god hates gays in his bible and wants them stoned to death LV 20:13 proving god hates,is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god hates anyone that does not believe in him in his bible 2 CHR 15: 12-13, ESPECIALLY if someone worships another god/ idols other than himself, thus wants to kill them DT 13: 9-10 and 17: 2-5 proving god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god endorses slavery in his bible EX 21 the entire chapter especially 20-21 which is truly sick and disgusting, LV 25:39, LV 25:42, LV 25: 44-46, DT 15: 12-15, DT 23: 14-16, MT 18:25, proving god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god gets jealous in his bible EX 20: 3-5, EX 34:14, DT 4: 23-24, DT 32: 16-17, DT 5:9, DT 6:15, JH 24:19, PS 79:5, PS 78:58, 2 COR 1:2, proving that he is evil, hates and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god wants you to die in his bible if you break the sabbath EX 31:14, NU 15: 32-36 proving god hates and is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god wants to put you to death in his bible if you commit adultery LV 20:10 proving god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god has freely admitted in his bible numerous times that he IS evil IS 45:7, 2 SAM 12: 11-14 sick and disgusting, EX 32:14, 1 KS 1 22: 22-23, 2 CR 18:22, JM 19:3, JM 19:15, JM 23:12, AM 3:6, DT 30:15, 2 KS 22:16, JU 9:23 thus proving that he IS evil which is irrefutable and also proves he hates and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god in his bible knowingly and truly hates children through numerous passages such as LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, 2 SAM 12:11-14 which is truly sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16, 2 KS 15:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, (EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21), JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, 2 KS 6: 28-29, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, 2 HS 2: 23-24, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, 2 KS 8: 9-15,LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23 only to name a few proves god hates and is 100% pure evil and 100% proves he cannot be involved with love.
* god hates women in his bible LM 4 9-11 sick and disgusting, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, JD 21:10, 2 SAM 12 11-14 sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31 17:18, LV 26 21:22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, DT 2 32-34, 2 KS 8: 9-15, 2 KS 15:16 sick and disgusting, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, 2 KS 6: 28-29 sick and disgusting, JD 19: 24-29, LM 2 20-22 sick and disgusting, 1 COR 14:34,1 TY 2:12 proves god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god loves rape in his bible NU 31: 17-18, 2 SAM 12: 11-18 sick and disgusting, JD 19:24-29, JD 21: 10-24, DT 20: 10-14, DT 22: 28-29, DT 21: 10-14, JD 5:30, EX 21 7-11, ZE 14: 1-2 proving that he is evil, pure evil and nothing but, is filled with hate and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god commits abortions who knows how many times within several verses in his bible, so that means that christians do not follow their god which is extremely hypocritical and contradictory from his bible HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, 2 KS 8: 9-15 sick and disgusting, 2 HS 15:16 sick and disgusting, HS 9: 11-16, and perhaps the biggest acts of abortions were committed in the great flood according to this so-called god of the bible in the great flood (which never happened btw) so who knows how many pregnant mothers died there in his bible thus proving this god to be nothing but pure evil, hate and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god loves yummy cannibalism in his bible LM 2: 20-22, JM 11: 22-23, LV 26:29, 2 KS 6:28-29, LM 4: 9-11, proving this god to be truly sick and completely whacked out thus is evil, hates,and thus cannot be involved with love..
* Indeed god is far far far worse than Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hong Xiuquan, all serial killers, all rapists, all tortures, all pedophiles, all sadomasochists etc etc etc combined. After all god knowingly created them which means that he is ultimately responsible for them. Its either that or god is not a god and lets them off the hook with nothing but a tap on the shoulder for their horrific, disgusting, repugnant crimes and simply god---does---not---care. Now here's some examples of god"s sickened, diseased, abominable atrocities for absolutely no reason at all... the great flood according to the bible (which never happened btw) so who knows what the body count was there? 3,000 EX 32:27-28, 14,700 NU 16:49, 24,002 NU 25: 1-11, 12,000 JOS 8: 1-25, 10,000 JG 1:4, 120,000 JG 8:7-10, 42,000 JG 12:3-6, 1,000 JD 15:14-15, 3,000 JD 16:27-30, 25,101 JD 16:27-30, 1 SAM 4 34,002, 1 SAM 6:19 50,070, 2 SAM 8 65,850, 1 KI 20: 28-29 100,000, 1 KI 20: 30 27,000, KI 19 35 -37 185,000, 2 CHR 13 17-18 500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 2 CHR 28:6 120,000, Esther 9:5-18 75,813 etc etc etc Yeah god is really so moral huh? Nope.

2 Tiimothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."

Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."

RULES:
So your job for this debate as Con is to ultimately prove that god's word is true and just at---all---times. Not just the here and the there - especially the being evil and jealousy bit. And most importantly "why"? Not just a tinkering of when its suits you and when you feel like it as ALL christians do, no exceptions to that rule, none.

For extra credit please show me ANY love from YOUR god within YOUR bible AND thus showing YOUR god actually being "happy" AND this god of YOURS leaving out his superior ego complex. And I hope you find it. Because if you do then that means that the verses posted would be HUGE SUPER MASSIVE HYPOCRITICAL CONTRADICTIONS thus proving that YOUR bible is truly unreadable.

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Mingodalia

Con


Pro's profile says "Atheist". Let's work from there.

Pro has made the several common atheist logical fallacies.

1)Trying to use an objective morality that atheism says does not exist to try and prove that a god is objectively immoral.

Is homosexuality wrong? I don't know Pro. You tell me. Pro now needs to answer some questions.

Is it evil to have sex with your daughter? Why or why not?

Is it evil to have sex with your son? Why or why not?

And if it is evil to have sex with your son or daughter, why isn't it evil for a man to have sex with a man?

Now Pro, who decides which of the three, if any, are "evil"? And if none of the three are "evil", you've just supported father vs. daughter sex and father vs. son sex.

Perhaps a theoretical god thinks all three are evil. A theoretical god is welcome to its theoretical opinion. Opinions aren't objectively evil.

2)Pro is committing another logical fallacy by trying to prove something that he says does not exist is immoral.

Are unicorns evil?

Are goblins evil?

Are dragons evil?

Are monsters under beds evil?

Are magic rainbows evil?

How about wizards?

Are gods you don't believe in evil?

Do tell...

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POINTS

1)Pro quotes Isaiah 45:7 as

" I form the light, and create darkness..."

This is possibly light,as from the sun vs. no light from the sun. No evil there.

"I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

It looks to me that this isn't Bible god admitting to "being evil" but to bringing evil upon the wicked.

An example would be "A man raped my daughter, so I grabbed my baseball bat, went to his house, and 'brought evil upon him.'"

This is not me saying I am evil, but that I whipped a rapist, who deserved it in my opinion, with a bat.

And this type of "evil" is one definition given in the dictionary.


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PRO SAYS:
"there's a whole bunch of other negative baggage emotions that the christian god has freely admitted to having such as anger, wrath, vengeance. rage, fury, jealousy..."

None of these are objectively "evil".

If someone rapes your toddler anger is the appropriate emotion. The same with rage and fury.

PRO SAYS:
"Jealousy? What? From a supreme deity? Jealousy is nothing more than anger as disguised fear."

According to the dictionary, jealousy can be defined as-

"Vigilance in maintaining or guarding something"


No evil there, sorry. Protecting something that belongs to you isn't evil.

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PRO SAYS:

"since this god has these negative emotions it proves ultimately that he is imperfect."

Whether a theoretical god is or is not "imperfect" has nothing to do with a theoretical god being good or evil.

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PRO SAYS:

"proving god hates,is evil and thus cannot be involved with love."

Hate is not objectively evil. I hate liver, spinach, child molesters...

No evil there, sorry.

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PRO SAYS:
"god loves rape in his bible NU 31: 17-18"

So I looked up Numbers 31:17-18.



And? Neither verse has anything to do with rape...

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PRO SAYS:

"god loves yummy cannibalism in his bible LM 2: 20-22"

God doesn't endorse cannibalism in this section. In verse 20, the author simply asks "Should mothers eat their own offspring?" God gives no dialogue in either of the 3 verses. Verse 21 & 22 have nothing to do with anything cannibalistic.


And even if Pro could make a "Bible god supports cannibalism" case (which he did not), cannibalism is not objectively evil. Many cultures have done it throughout history, and some still do.


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PRO SAYS:
"After all god knowingly created them which means that he is ultimately responsible for them."

Not actually. Parents create children. Mass murderers have parents. The parents aren't responsible for the mass murders. The murderer is.

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PRO SAYS:
"Now here's some examples of god"s sickened, diseased, abominable atrocities for absolutely no reason at all... the great flood according to the bible (which never happened btw)"

In this dialogue, Pro uses a logical fallacy of circular reasoning.

1)Pro accuses Bible god of murder and then claims the murder never happened, which means Bible god can't be a murderer.

2)Even if Bible god murdered, it is not objectively evil to murder. Examples?

a)Man plots to kill me so I kill him first.

b)Man was going to nuke America so I assassinated him.

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PRO SAYS:

"For extra credit please show me ANY love from god within bible"

(John 3:16)
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life



-AND thus showing god actually being "happy"-

"For the LORD your God is living among you. He is a mighty savior. He will take delight in you with gladness. With his love, he will calm all your fears. He will rejoice over you with joyful songs."


"AND this god leaving out his superior ego complex. "

"Jesus wept." (John 11:35)


"At this, the man's ears were opened, his tongue was loosened and he began to speak plainly. Jesus told the crowd not to tell anyone, but the more he told them not to, the more they spread the news.



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PRO SAYS:
"Which NOBODY can even prove exists?"


Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

You've made some idiot christian value statements which never works. So we can go from there.

When you start making excuses for atrocities you have removed yourself from ANY valid discussion on morals. When you say "yes the bible says you can own slaves but" well now you"re contradicting yourself because before I was asking if you thought the bible was accurately representing the mind of god, the will of god. You"ve got this conflicted mess of contradictions and you"ve found a way to rationalize them. You"ve gone and looked at them and said "boy that one really sounds bad, BUT that"s what Israel was doing that"s not what god was doing. So let me ask you this" do you believe that there"s an all knowing all powerful fun loving god who has an important message for humanity and he is so completely inept that his best attempts at communicating to people managed to convey the exact opposite message of what you think he meant? Now like are you the one who got it right? And all the people who authored the holy book and got you started that they managed to get it wrong? Is your god such a bumbling buffoon that he cannot state "thou shalt not own somebody as another human being?" or "please don"t rape the people and pillage the villages around you"" and he managed to communicate so poorly that it got written down as "Thou shalt be able to own other people as property and oh by the way go over there and kill everybody kill everything except for the young virgins." Its asinine. You cannot reconcile this." Matt Dillahunty

Here's an irrefutable vidie for you
http://www.youtube.com... - top 10 reasons why the bible is repulsive

Psalm 19:7 "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple."

Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."

Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."

"Is homosexuality wrong? I don't know Pro." Then you should not be participating in this debate if you don"t know.
"Is it evil to have sex... yadda yadda yadda..." Not valid questions because its not what the bible says. "why isn't it evil for a man to have sex with a man?" Good question. Who knows? According to the bible, its worthy of death for absolutely no reason. So that proves god is evil and is based on hate.

All questions you asked have nothing to do with the conversation so we"ll leave them out except for "Are gods you don't believe in evil?" According to god of the bible they are and whoever believes in them is worthy of death.

Isaiah 45:7 as " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." AND CREATE EVIL. pretty simple isn"t it. So YOUR god IS evil if he states it. But you like every christian cannot take YOUR god at his word.

Did yah have a look-see at the other verses where YOUR god freely admits he"s evil? No of course not.

anger, wrath, vengeance. rage, fury, jealousy...
"None of these are objectively "evil"." Oh-yes-they-are especially to a supreme deity who in no possible way would EVER have any possible want, need, desire, necessity for them especially jealousy. Those emotions flatly proves that this god of YOURS, not mine is not only inept, but IS evil, and hell bent on true hate, not love as he passed down those emotions to man so in turn man could learn to hate. Oh but wait, you cannot even prove that this god of YOURS even exists. Hey god, dump those emotions and how"s about thinking about peace, kindness, love, caring for each other, harmony etc? Nah. So don"t talk to me or anyone that YOUR god is "good" when he is most certainly not anything like it. Not only that since this god of YOURS has these emotions it clearly means that he is imperfect. Now who in their right stale ridiculous mind who can think, reason, rationalize, use common sense, use logic because there"s 0% within the belief that is god as no one can prove he even exists, would ---ever--- want to bow down to an inferior supreme deity bile god such as the one you picked from your closet because what else could it be?
Strange isn"t it that in comparison that the Inca, many of the native American Indian tribes until your white man greasy sweaty racist pig christian wiped them out, the aborigines, Hindu"s, Gaia Mother Earth, Buddhists etc etc etc they do not practice nor preach nor go to war over their religions, not anywhere close to the evils nor hate that the christians do. Now why is that? And yet according to your god worshiping other gods is considered to be the most evil thing there is, and you should be stoned to death for it. So you follow your lord"s orders and you come on down here and stone me to death. Whatsamatter? You are not going to follow your god"s orders? Why? Why not?

"If someone rapes your toddler anger..." That"s because according to YOU in which your god seemingly exists, but you can't prove it, this god passed down those emotions to do as such as well as the practice of rape which is enthralled throughout the bible in which YOUR god loves. Its disgusting.

I really don"t care what the dictionary"s definition of "jealousy" is. Take one lucky guess where I got it from? Dr. Phil. that he used in an episode. He"s absolutely 100% correct. Jealousy is anger as disguised fear. Regardless no supreme deity would EVER have use of jealousy regardless of the dictionary"s definition or Dr. Phil"s definition. Jealousy goes wayyyyy beyond evil when it comes to YOUR god or any supreme deity.
"Protecting something that belongs to you isn't evil." Yeah and how many times out of 100 does that turn to violence? So don"t talk to me about evil. K?
Oh and oh yeah I once knew a coworker who"s girlfriend wanted to break up with him. Guess what happened next? He went into her work and shot her to death and he only did 4 years in prison. Then he taps me on the shoulder at the downtown bus station and says "remember me"? And he told me that he was a manager at a local restaurant. Talk about creepy. So I get it, people out of JEALOUSY since you and others believe that jealousy is such a great thing, we should all go out and shoot our girlfriends/ boyfriends in knowing that when we get out of prison we will all have a high paying career waiting for us. Yeah you are that pathetic to justify jealousy in any way.

"Whether a theoretical god is or is not "imperfect" has nothing to do with a theoretical god being good or evil." Oh absolutely it does. God according to the bible is absolutely supposed to be perfect. Emotions, especially negative emotions, which are evil, instead of peaceful, as thus proved above, shows YOUR god"s evil.

"proving god hates,is evil and thus cannot be involved with love." There you go again g with your complete ineptitude. Hate with a COMMA afterwards and or I state hate AND evil almost every---single---time unless its a mistake, in which I doubt I made because it was a copy and paste for me to do" hate, is evil are two, separate subjects. Got it? AND every single verse mentioned PROVES god"s BOTH ab-so-lu-te hate AND evil.

"god loves rape in his bible NU 31: 17-18" Oh absolutely god and moses does n which you like every christian out there simply cannot read as YOUR god AND moses approves of the rape of virgins. That is so obvious as ALL atheists of merit have proven and agreed upon. Um no you didn"t look the verses up AND understand them. Try harder. Regardless pretty sick and demented "kill everyone"" proving this coughed up sickened diseased god of YOURS to be 100% evil and hate and nothing but AND showing him to hate children in the process which is ALSO 100% hate and evil. GET---A---CLUE.
"17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." KJV What part of that don't you understand?

Btw, I don"t pay attention to biblehub. I only pay attention to legitimate websites that are worthwhile.

"God doesn't endorse cannibalism in this section." Then YOUR god has nothing to do with the bible and it should have been edited out - correct? Regardless cannibalism is certainly one of the sickest thing there is. And yet its in YOUR bible. But nah, there"s no such a thing as "editing" now is there. And of course the bible should be taught to children because the bible is such a fun, kind, caring loving book - right?

"After all god knowingly created them which means that he is ultimately responsible for them." "Not actually." Well yeah um actually. If not then that means that YOUR god is NOT a god, does not know everything, is in no possible way in charge of everything, is not all knowing nor is he all powerful, clearly does not know everything, is in no way omnipotent, and is not perfect. You choose.
"Parents create children. Mass murderers have parents. The parents aren't responsible for the mass murders. The murderer is." Oh but wait, YOUR god sent a death sentence to man with the downfall of Adam and Eve which is 100% pure hate and evil. Do you even know what is the flying pregnant fetus screw you are squawking about?
"1)Pro accuses Bible god of murder and then claims the murder never happened, which means Bible god can't be a murderer." Wow. Pathetic, feeble, woeful, weak, silly, like a tire iron lung well hung at the bottom of a black hole. It doesn"t matter a damn what I believe. It matters what YOUR god believes and what is stated in YOUR bible. And if its stated in YOUR bible than YOU MUST believe it otherwise YOU are NOT a christian. PERIOD.
Well see, YOUR god murdered for no reason AT ALL when he could have created peace, love, harmony, care, kindness, love for ALL TIME. Nah. He chose hate and evil, anger, wrath, vengeance, rage, fury, jealousy. Which shows how puny he is.

I'm out of space.
Mingodalia

Con

Pro didn't request a Christian or a theist to debate, so I happily jumped in to challenge and grow my deductive logic skills.

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PRO SAYS:
"You've made some idiot christian value statements which never works. So we can go from there."

I'm an Agnostic. Thus, ad hominem attacks won't work.

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PRO SAYS:
"When you start making excuses for atrocities you have removed yourself from ANY valid discussion on morals."

I don't need excuses in a philosophical debate where an Atheist starts calling things evil while believing and claiming objective evil does not exist. It pretty much takes care of itself.

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PRO SAYS:
"When you say "yes the bible says you can own slaves but."

1)I didn't mention slaves.

2)For grins, I read through Exodus 21, and technically the Bible god doesn't command slavery or give any opinion on it being right or wrong. He simply tells the person how to treat a slave if they have one.

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PRO SAYS:
"So let me ask you this" do you believe that there"s an all knowing all powerful fun loving god..."

No.

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PRO SAYS:
"Or "please don"t rape..."

I found a verse that says that a rapist is to be killed as punishment.


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PRO SAYS:
"Here's an irrefutable vidie for you
- top 10 reasons why the bible is repulsive."

Psalm 19:7 "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple."

Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."

Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."

None of those things seemed repulsive to me. A theoretical god's words standing forever probably isn't evil to 99 out of 100 people.

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PRO SAYS:
"why isn't it evil for a man to have sex with a man?" Good question. Who knows? According to the bible, its worthy of death for absolutely no reason. So that proves god is evil and is based on hate."

Hate is definately not objectively evil. Maybe I hate Nazis. Maybe I hate Hitler. Maybe the gays in the stories are child molesters, murderers, cannibals, etc. Who knows? Pro claims the Bible is a fairytale, so these particular fairytale gays could be anything I want to imagine them to be. I say the gays in the "fairytale story" are goblins and orcs trying to kill Frodo Baggins before he can reach Mount Doom.

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PRO SAYS:
"Isaiah 45:7 as " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." AND CREATE EVIL. pretty simple isn"t it. So god IS evil if he states it. "

1)Using Pro's interpretation, creating evil and being evil are not the same thing. Being Hitler's mom does not make Hitler's mom evil simply because she birthed him. She doesn't magically inherit his evilness.

2)Using my interpretation, I say it means creating evil as in bringing something negative upon someone like wrath, vengeance, judgement, etc. None of which are objectively evil. Maybe they deserve the evil being brought upon them.

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PRO SAYS:
"Oh but wait, you cannot even prove that this god even exists."

That would just prove that the Christian/Jewish god cannot be evil. Non-existing beings cannot be evil by default.

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PRO SAYS:
"Not only that since this god has these emotions it clearly means that he is imperfect."

Having emotions and/or being imperfect doesn't make someone evil.

Pro's first argument of the debate is that god is evil.

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PRO SAYS:
"Strange isn"t it that in comparison that the Inca, many of the native American Indian tribes until your white man greasy sweaty racist pig christian wiped them out."

1)They were violent, warring, militant tribes who fought each other and took territory by force regularly. They also sacrificed babies, children, virgins, the elderly, the disabled, etc to their gods.

2)Most Christians in the world aren't white.

3)I'm not white. Nice ad hominem from out of nowhere though.

4)If "white men" were the only ones conquering tribes, why are Mexicans, who are descendants of conquistadors, brown?

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PRO SAYS:
"and you should be stoned to death for it. So you follow your lord"s orders and you come on down here and stone me to death. Whatsamatter? You are not going to follow your god"s orders? Why? Why not?"

It appears that Pro has become emotionally unhinged over something he believes doesn't exist.

Nevertheless, I'll play the game.

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." (John 8:7)



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PRO SAYS:
"As well as the practice of rape which is enthralled throughout the bible in which YOUR god loves. Its disgusting."

I reiterate.

"But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, the man who has done this shall die."

(Deuteronomy 22:25)


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PRO SAYS:
"I really don"t care what the dictionary"s definition of "jealousy" is."

Pro has decided to argue against the dictionary.

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PRO SAYS:
"Jealousy goes wayyyyy beyond evil when it comes to YOUR god or any supreme deity."

Oh? Tell me more.

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PRO SAYS:
"Oh and oh yeah I once knew a coworker who"s girlfriend wanted to break up with him. Guess what happened next? He went into her work and shot her to death and he only did 4 years in prison."

It looks to me like if the Bible god had decided punishment for the boyfriend, Bible god would have saved the girl from being killed with an extreme prevention method. Maybe Bible god isn't evil after all. Maybe love can be extreme. Who knows...

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PRO SAYS:
"Especially negative emotions, which are evil"

Not actually. Sadness, being depressed, anger, etc are negative emotions, & none are evil.

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PRO SAYS:
"AND every single verse mentioned PROVES god"s BOTH ab-so-lu-te hate AND evil."

Nope. Hate isn't objectively evil. Perhaps it is subjectively good to hate things that subjectively "should" be hated.

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PRO SAYS:
"Btw, I don"t pay attention to biblehub. I only pay attention to legitimate websites that are worthwhile."

All Biblehub is, is each verse from the Bible verbatim. In other words, it's an online Bible that gives 20-40 interpretations of each verse. I quote the Bible because Pro has actually made multiple claims so far that are demonstrably false. In one argument he quotes verses on a topic, but the verses aren't even about the topic. In some arguments he claims the Bible god has a trait that isn't given to the Bible god in the Bible, so he's actually made up traits.

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PRO SAYS:
"god sent a death sentence to man with the downfall of Adam and Eve which is 100% pure hate and evil."

1)Some people view death as mercy. Some people don't want to live forever.

2)Some people don't subjectively deserve to live. It's semantics.

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PRO SAYS:
"god is NOT a god, does not know everything, is in no possible way in charge of everything, is not all knowing nor is he all powerful, clearly does not know everything, is in no way omnipotent, and is not perfect. You choose."

This has nothing to do with Pro's original claim, that "god is evil". Having less abilities or powers doesn't make someone evil.

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PRO SAYS:
"It matters what god believes and what is stated in bible."

If he isn't real, which is Pro's claim, he can't possibly be evil or worth getting tyrannical about. It is man that is evil. Every religion and even atheists have mass murdered other groups. Maybe "god" isn't the problem. Maybe he's just an excuse used in different ways. God doesn't seem to prevent or cause human cruelty. Theists and Atheists have both quickly killed anyone in their way. God doesn't appear to be the variable cause of evil in the world.

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PRO SAYS:
"when he could have created peace, love, harmony, care, kindness, love for ALL TIME. Nah. He chose hate and evil, anger, wrath, vengeance, rage, fury, jealousy."

Actually, to make people love each other and you, could be defined as evil, per totalitarianism. The negative options are actually an example of what being free to choose who and what you love looks like.

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Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

Pro didn't request a Christian or a theist to debate, so I happily jumped in to challenge "and grow my deductive logic skills." In which you didn"t present any,. That"s because YOUR religion, god and bible requires none. It also requires no thinking, reasoning, rationalizing nor common sense.

Oh and cut the crap that you are an agnostic because the way you present yourself, sorry, you think, act, and are a christian. So I shall treat you as one.

RULE CHANGE: If you expect me to read, and or respond to what you have to say, then its not going to be a nosebleed trichinosis eyesquint where I have to work to see what you compose. If you cannot compose your argument in a reasonable font with a reasonable font size, so you don"t shrink it for jeez sakes, then don"t bother because its NOT MY JOB to waddle through your poor execution of malnutrition in choices of font families and sizes. Also do away with the separation of paragraphs in between every---single---idea you have. Wow if you cannot control your brain farts, who can? And again, its NOT MY JOB to scroll on down every single time you have a thought to see what you did and didn"t say to see if you actually brought in evidence to back up what you said. Its was truly nauseating to go through what I went through in your last argument and I won"t do it again. If you don"t like it, tough, deal with it.

"I don't need excuses in a philosophical debate where an Atheist starts calling things evil while believing and claiming objective evil does not exist. It pretty much takes care of itself." OK then you don"t believe that god is evil (claiming that you are agnostic tee hee so that's a hypocritical contradiction). Nor can you take YOUR god at his word which has been previously proved and with that excuse, it backs it up. You don't even know what you say. Nor can you read either, nor comprehend because Matt and I have both most certainly claimed and 100% shown that god IS evil even though nobody can prove that this god even exists. Now you wrap your head around that and figure it out that it is the belief in this s--t of a so-called god that creates all this pain, suffering hate and evil. So this debate is now over. Bye.
Mingodalia

Con

1)PRO SAYS:

"Oh and cut the crap that you are an agnostic because the way you present yourself, sorry, you think, act, and are a christian. So I shall treat you as one."

I have done debates on this site on "Reality is a computer simulation", and a debate where I defend Affirmative Action despite being anti Affirmative Action. Not everyone is an unhinged ideologue or what you demand they be. Sorry, Pro is wrong.

2)PRO SAYS:

"If you expect me to read, and or respond to what you have to say..."

I don't care if Pro responds or not, nor is there any expectation.

"then its not going to be a nosebleed trichinosis eyesquint where I have to work to see what you compose. If you cannot compose your argument in a reasonable font with a reasonable font size, so you don"t shrink it for jeez sakes, then don"t bother because its NOT MY JOB to waddle through your poor execution of malnutrition in choices of font families and sizes."

a)I have no trouble reading it.

b)Zoom in and it becomes any size you want....

3)PRO SAYS:

"It was truly nauseating to go through what I went through"

Then you need psychological help.

"In your last argument and I won"t do it again. If you don"t like it, tough, deal with it."

I couldn't care less what you do. I'm waiting for tears and gobbling of Prozak by Pro in the following minutes post debate.

4)PRO SAYS:

"I don't need excuses in a philosophical debate where an Atheist starts calling things evil while believing and claiming objective evil does not exist. It pretty much takes care of itself." OK then you don"t believe that god is evil (claiming that you are agnostic tee hee so that's a hypocritical contradiction). Nor can you take YOUR god at his word which has been previously proved and with that excuse, it backs it up. You don't even know what you say. Nor can you read either, nor comprehend because Matt and I have both most certainly claimed and 100% shown that god IS evil even though nobody can prove that this god even exists. Now you wrap your head around that and figure it out that it is the belief in this s--t of a so-called god that creates all this pain, suffering hate and evil. So this debate is now over. Bye."

So no rebuttal.
Debate Round No. 3
backwardseden

Pro

Well I told you what you needed to do. You didn't do it, naturally. Trust me on this, if this was an English class in high school and beyond with the fonts and spacing that you use to make your arguments truly unreadable, ALL TEACHERS, no exceptions, none, would give you an instant F.
Mingodalia

Con


PRO SAYS:
"Well I told you what you needed to do. You didn't do it, naturally. Trust me on this, if this was an English class in high school and beyond with the fonts and spacing that you use to make your arguments truly unreadable, ALL TEACHERS, no exceptions, none, would give you an instant F."

Pro has no idea what a teacher would do. He's a "teacher would give an F theist". He believes without evidence.

Other debaters aren't whining about fonts or spacing. Pro has mashed so many verses together that no one could make heads or tails of it. So that's how that works...

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PRO: NO EVIDENCE

The Bible makes a 3 level claim concerning the end times.

The first claim is that the gospel will spread to every nation. This is a daring claim seeing that at that time Christianity was under severe assault and had few adherants.

But what makes it even stranger is that its claims have actually come true and manifested in a short period of time.

CLAIM #1
The gospel is preached to every nation.

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.


CLAIM #2
There will be a giant movement into Secularism and away from Christianity.

"No one should deceive you in any way, because it is not until the apostasy shall have come first."


CLAIM #3
"The Beast"

"Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea."


"The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it."


ISLAM MAP-


MUSLIM CONQUEST BATTLES MAP-


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CHRISTIAN BIBLE (Speaking of Jesus Christ)-

They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."


ISLAMIC HADITH-

Allah's Apostle said, "The most awful name in Allah's sight on the Day of Resurrection, will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik Al-Amlak (the king of kings)."


Sahih-Al-Bukhari Bk 73; Num 224

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"THE BEAST FROM THE EARTH"

CHRISTIAN BIBLE-

The second beast comes "out of the earth" and directs all peoples of the earth to worship the first beast. The second beast is described in Revelation 13:11-18 and is also referred to as the false prophet.


BEAST FROM THE EARTH IN ISLAM-

"And when the Word is fulfilled against them, the unjust, we shall produce from the earth a beast to face them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs.

— Qur'an, sura 27 (An-Naml),ayat 82


BEAST FROM THE EARTH IN CHRISTIANITY-

The beast from the earth (The false prophet) also causes people to receive the mark of the beast "in their right hand or in their forehead."

BEAST FROM THE EARTH IN ISLAM-

The beast from the Earth marks the believers on their foreheads and a seal to mark the unbelievers.


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The beast from the earth (The false prophet) was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause those who refused to worship the image to be killed."


ISLAMIC KAABA STONE-

(Picture/illustration of Muhammed putting the Kaaba stone in place)-


Muslims bow to the stone and believe it did speak and will speak. Allah granted it the power of speech. Muslims circle around it in Mecca, bow to it, and try to get close enough to touch it and/or kiss it.

"Thus Allah wrote this confirmation. And this stone has a pair of eyes, ears and a tongue and it opened its mouth upon the order of Allah, who put that confirmation in it and ordered to witness it to all those worshippers who come for Hajj."


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"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image."


Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.”

-HEADLINES-

"ISIS Orders Its Franchises to Kill Christians"


"ISIS Declares War on The Cross & Christianity. Christians Beheaded in Barbaric New Video from the Islamic State"


"ISIS beheads 30 Ethiopian Christians in Libya"


CHRISTIAN BIBLE-

Revelation 13:10 -
"If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword they will be killed." This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God's people."

-HEADLINE-

"Beheadings, imprisonment made 2015 worst year for Christian persecution, report finds"


"Iran: 10-year prison sentences for Christian converts in Rasht"


"War, Terrorism, and the Christian Exodus from the Middle East"

Quote from the Pope-

"We exhort our faithful and call them to patience in these tribulations, especially in this tsunami of stifling, destructive, bloody and tragic crises of our Arab world, particularly in Syria, but also to different degrees in Egypt, Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon,” he wrote. “Jesus tells us, ‘Fear not!’ ”


"The Great Tribulation"

"In Christian eschatology, the great tribulation is a period mentioned by Jesus in the Olivet discourse as a sign that would occur in the time of the end. At Revelation 7:14, "the great tribulation" is used to indicate the period spoken of by Jesus. Matthew 24: 21 and 29 uses tribulation in a context denoting afflictions of those hard-pressed by siege and the calamities of war in the end times."


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CHRISTIAN BIBLE ON END TIMES-

"This message came to me concerning Damascus: "Look, the city of Damascus will disappear! It will become a heap of ruins."


PICTURES OF DAMASCUS TODAY-

PIC 1


PIC 2


PIC 3


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CHRISTIAN BIBLE

"The great city was divided into three parts."(Speaking of Jerusalem)


Today, Jerusalem is slpit between the Jews, Christians, & the Muslims.

"The city of Jerusalem is significant in a number of religious traditions, including the Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, which consider it a holy city. Some of the most sacred places for each of these religions are found in Jerusalem and the one shared between all three is the Temple Mount."


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Quote from Islamic scholar Jan Morgan:

"Islam, is more than a religion. It’s a theocracry. Islam is the union of political, legal, and religious ideologies. In other words, law, religion and state are forged together to form what Muslims refer to as “The Nation of Islam"

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Now it's time for Pro to give up the evidence that reality can spawn from a magical nothing.
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Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
to go across this country, and into every church, jewish temple and mormon I don't know what they call their religious sanctuaries and I don't care, you would not find anywhere close to a consensus that you just lumberjacked at me. To give you an idea, if we, that is together you and I were to pick a jury at random and put your god on trial and you were to deliver them your speech of utter nonsense, who do you think the jury would vote for? If you think its you, sorry, you've got a lot of dogwater to lap up from what you've spilled in your bath over the years with no soap to wash your brains out of your you know where areas.
Now let's get one thing sparkling clear... I don't worry about death at all. In fact I welcome it. I could tell you some true stories that would blacken your soul and then I could tell you about me. You have no idea, none as to what true suffering is. And your precious christ in which you cannot even prove has ever existed, in your bible only suffered for 17 hours tops. There's children out there who have suffered sometimes for decades at the hands of their parents in which YOUR god created IF your believe in him in which again YOU cannot prove even exists. Absolutely pathetic. Its a catch 22. You lose. oh believe me, I absolutely fight for natural man and so do all atheists. You idiots who claim to be christians want to disrupt that with your god and christ who cause, by the mere belief in them, pain and suffering as that is what YOUR bible is all about. But then again YOUR god would never choose text, what an idiot, text, the worst form of communication possible.
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
Hey you are using mas wisdom in an attempt to believe that you think you know your god, but you really don't, you guess. After all you like all who pretend to be christians, because after all there is no such a thing as being a christian, as proved, as you cannot even prove your christ sneeze rag and god even exists just like everybody who has ---ever--- lived, you know 0% of nothing about your god. And when you tell me to believe in your s--t in which you have no proof for, and yet I have 100% proof and knowledge for in which I can back up with rock solid evidence but you don't see me shoveling it down your throat because there's no need to unlike your god, and you do it because it is truly an addiction to you like heroin and meth and you cannot stop, which thus proves once again that you have 0 friends and loved ones just as your jesus orders. So don't tell me in any way that I am without wisdom if your god because I most certainly know a lot more about your god, bible and religion than your tinsel pastry mind taken to the cleaners ---ever--- will.
"You use the Physical Snake and Physical Poison to attempt to prove that of God who is spirit." No braindead kewpie doll who uses fiberglass con-dumbs when making love with himself because no one else will, that's jesus, not god. They are two separate entities. Can you count that high? Did you know that 1 + 1 = 2? Oh and you can't even prove that those things in YOUR bile blank black hole bible ever happened. But they are there, so according to you IF you believe in this jesus character, then they must have. And they were physical things according to your bible. You can't change thing just because YOU want to. ASnd no one, not one person can prove the "spiritual" aspects of whatever you are referring to, oh that thing you just invented to appease your littered skull in which you have 0 proof of. You are right I have no idea of what "they" are because YOU invented them. And isn't it strange that if you were
Posted by Lacrutos 2 years ago
Lacrutos
Here you are using mans wisdom to attempt to understand that which is from God.

1 Corinthians 2:13
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

You use the Physical Snake and Physical Poison to attempt to prove that of God who is spirit. You try to compare physical possessions with what the Spiritual Possessions are. You have no idea what these are, you are blind. You think the things of this world profit anything weather you have a lot or a little? You worry about death when it is death that gives live. Fight for the natural man, he understands life without God is vanity yet still tries to give himself purpose.
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
@Lacrutos - If its one thing that I hate its god as he truly hates children. If its another thing that I truly hate is smug completely irresponsible not only to yourself but to everybody you, talk to, with your meandering crap of cup of christ in which you cannot prove, because you cannot even prove that your christ has ever existed. You only have your printed text in which proves that your christ has told you to give up your families, in which you obviously have done, you also have no genuine friends in which is painfully obvious. Now what do I mean by genuine? Those that will go way way wayyyyyyyyy out of their way to help you out in time of dire need and ---never--- ask you a single question. For that I cannot even pity you, but you did it to yourself, you flat out deserve it. You will die alone. Wow does it show with your arrogant war machine glittered honey speech. Oh and oh yeah you are not a christian because you still have your possessions. Did you give them up? Why no by gum pencil neck geek who cannot follow his sneezing blizzard christ who lies (he promised his return within a generation but never came back) Matthew 24: 27-34, says people can survive if they drink from a poisonous snake, says he's equal with god AND worked on the sabbath john 5:18 tee hee,, but you still have your computer, so you still have at least one possession.
And the rat chew"letter" who knows what typhoid invention that one is. Only you I guess. Oh I get it now... You must mean, follow YOU, because it truly is impossible to follow your christ. Nobody except for possibly 1,000 people on this planet genuinely does. Sorry, you ain't it. And when you tell me to follow him, that's right there snookums with his beef frank ball bearing around his neck like a noose, is declaring war on me, just like YOUR god of genocides wants. simply because he enjoy's conflict and not peace by any means because peace has never been achieved under your god'd helm. Please try harder.
Posted by Lacrutos 2 years ago
Lacrutos
Your understanding of the difference of the Spirit and the Flesh which is the Two Laws and many other things shows. You use the Letter to attempt to prove that which is the Spirit and rely on the worlds wisdom of men. Repent and come to Christ so Lord Willing the Spirit of Truth will be given to you and he will lead you to All the Truth which you do not have for it is not in you at this time.

Romans 7:23-25
23 and I behold another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of the sin that [is] in my members.
24 A wretched man I [am]! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?
25 I thank God -- through Jesus Christ our Lord; so then, I myself indeed with the mind do serve the law of God, and with the flesh, the law of sin.

It is not given to you to understand the mysteries of the Kingdom:

Luke 8:10
10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

Since you do not have Christ in you, you are not a Disciple in which he reveals these:

Mark 4:34
34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

His words are Spirit not Flesh, Carnal Minded words

John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

You can not understand them for they are spiritually discerned:

1 Corinthians 2:13-14
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You still are not ashamed of your nakedness and you produce the fruits of the Flesh.
Posted by backwardseden 2 years ago
backwardseden
@Lacrutos - Did you make a point? Or was all of that gibberish you presented, well for an unproved god and jesus, what did it prove? Actually it goes a lot further than that because there really is no such a thing as a christian. You most certainly are not one. Now watch this lil video to prove it. But nah you like the typical christian cannot handle AT ALL factual evidence when slammed in the face with it. Especially considering the fact that YOUR JESUS orders you to give up your families in which no sane person would unless there's severe abuse in which YOUR god knowingly creates, and YOUR jesus also orders you to give up all of your possessions in which you haven't done only to follow him. Really? Where are you going to follow him? To air. Yep.
http://www.youtube.com... - Why Does Every Intelligent christian disobey jesus?
Also to prove that christ is the failed messiah, he changed YOUR god's laws such as working on the sabbath. Well um nope.
Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."
Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."
Psalm 19:7 "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple."
Sorry, jesus IS NOT god so he couldn't change ANY of god;s laws. So the laws of the OT are still in effect. But then again, you cannot even prove that your god and christ exists. So christ is false, the NT is false, christianity is false. And every verse you presented is worthless. Well of course that is only true if you believe that the NT and the OT are 2 separate books. So that would mean that the god of the NT and the OT are completely different. It would also mean that you do not believe in creation, the great flood (which never happened btw), exodus, the 10 commandments, moses, the parting of the red sea, the 10 plagues, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. you don't believe in any of it.
Posted by Lacrutos 2 years ago
Lacrutos
I had a debate with backwardseden concerning the same topic. I came to the conclusion that he in fact raises himself up to be God in his own life just as everyone does at some point.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

He is sitting in the Temple of God calling shewing himself to be God, where is the Temple?

1 Corinthians 3:16
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

He has not been dragged to Christ at this time. The brightness of his coming hasn't destroyed the son of Perdition in him sitting in the Temple shewing himself to be God.

John 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

2 Thessalonians 2:8
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

He claims to have spiritual Knowledge without the Word Abiding in him.

John 5:38-40
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
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46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

However these are dead words to the one:

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Posted by Im_Intelligent 2 years ago
Im_Intelligent
if you read any bible from the christian religion "or from the other 40,000 cheery-picked subgroups of Christianity like Catholic for example" than its pretty obvious that the "god" they "claim" to worship is no stranger to picking favorites.

And even then self proclaimed Christians who think they are made in "Gods" image and follow the bible "Word for word" half of them at least haven't even read the full bible, and if they find something they dont like, they do what Christianity has been doing for over hundreds of years and cheery-picking what to keep change or remove "this is were the 40,000 subgroups came from".

And what i find really amusing is when people point out how the bible BLATANTLY states how god is fine with slavery and even gives instructions how to trick and screw over your slaves into becoming yours forever, than the "Christians" respond that your reading out of context or misinterpreting it in a un-moral way.
Please provide the "Change in context" required to make the following moral and justifying
- Killing everyone including the children > but keeping the virgins for yourself
- if your slave doesn't die after you beat him its fine
- overall owning another human being as property
The bible litterly states it so clearly that when Christians try to pull this context crap its just sad and cringe worthy.

Also is just me who noticed whenever its a part of the bible they has nothing to do with immoral acts the Christians are like yes your reading it fine.

but only when you get to something thats obviously immoral and wrong they go YOUR MISREPRESENTING IT. give me break you idiots -_-

And litterly every "Christian has different interpretations of the bible and a definition for what i means to be a true christian -_-

if you have a problem with this Christians pls do the following

Prove a god exists > prove that its the christian god > prove its your specific branch of Christianity.

personal experiences arnt evidence -_-
good
Posted by judaism 2 years ago
judaism
"So your job for this debate as Con is to ultimately prove that god's word is true. . . ."

Wow. . . ! Okay. . . so he does all the work, you watch your favorite show?

Talk about a double standard! No! I think it is the atheist who must prove HaShem doesn't exist!

Because the best proof is. . . you! How did "you" get here? What, some banana or something? Banana turns into human? Okay, that's cool. Everyone, I think Ridley Scott's got the next plot for his film! Aline. . . 9 or something. People came from bananas!

I know, I should be a comedian. . . okay, I never said my jokes had to be funny!
Posted by judaism 2 years ago
judaism
I really feel sorry for the guy who has to go through all this. You might as well have quoted the world.
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