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backwardseden
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Natedawg12
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Why does a god have to prove its existence?

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Started: 5/25/2021 Category: Religion
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backwardseden

Pro

If a god cannot prove its existence, Then its specific religion is based on erroneous lies and fraudulent missteps that can never be proven to be true, Righteous, And just to anyone.
Also, There's another problem. . . Wars will and always will (and have) broken out as to which supposed truth is correct and which is not.

"You've got 3 religions of peace all worshiping the same god of love and forgiveness, And yet they've been at war, Continuously, Ever since their inceptions. " Aron Ra
He's right.

You've got another problem no matter what as there is no definition for a god.

And the worst thing of all for those that supposedly believe in the christian god is it can never prove its existence according to the bible.
Natedawg12

Con

Hello there, Backwardseden. You have a question that many others have about people of the faith. Before I start, I will be clear that I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Also, If this debate goes from an honest search for answers to life to a barrage of meaningless insults, I'm afraid I will not waste both of our times and end it there.

"If a god cannot prove its existence, Then its specific religion is based on erroneous lies and fraudulent missteps that can never be proven to be true, Righteous, And just to anyone. "

This is a branch of a common question for those of the church. And it is not unfair. Any belief based on a lie is, Of course, Just that. A lie.
Unfortunately, Those who ask this question are often unaware or have forgotten the purpose of being on the earth in the first place. If God simply showed himself and told us what religion to follow, Then every person on earth would follow it. If believing in God were that easy, Everyone would do it. Of course, Not everyone is a person of good intent. If God showed himself to the earth, The entire plan of salvation would be frustrated, Because no one will have been tested of their faith.

The plan of having everyone come to the earth, With a full knowledge of the gospel, With no contentions allowed, Is the plan Satan, The devil, Wanted. That way, Believing would be beyond easy, And everyone, Even bad people like himself, Would be able to enter heaven.

See, God cannot be scientifically unproven or proven. The only way to know if the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is real is if you try it for yourself. If you follow the instructions of the prophets of the book of mormon, And read the book of mormon with a sincere willingness and humbleness to know if it is true, Then the holy ghost will let you know in your heart that it is true. That is the only sure way to know if the God of the book of mormon, Of the Bible, And of Moses is true.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

The Latter-day saints? Uh oh. A red flag. No offense.

"If a god cannot prove its existence, Then its specific religion is based on erroneous lies and fraudulent missteps that can never be proven to be true, Righteous, And just to anyone. "

"This is a branch of a common question for those of the church. And it is not unfair. Any belief based on a lie is, Of course, Just that. A lie. "
Why would it be "unfair" when in fact your unproven undefined supposed whatever "god" did in fact lie in your bible (I don"t know about the book of mormon if it did or not) in which case no idiot god if true and genuine in any possible way would never use text/ the written word, Namely your bible/ the book of mormon, Not for any reason, Not ever, As a form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence, Which is the worst possible way to get its messages across from itself to man. There are at least 50 reasons for this. Hopefully, You can think of at least 3. If you can"t then you do not know your religion as well as you believe. In fact, It"s not at all. To prove it, Think about ---anything---, Anything at all as far as what is the criteria that comes from a god and could NOT in any way possible have come from the mind of a human as far as a human is concerned in your bible/ book of mormon? The fact is there's nothing godly about your bible/ book of mormon that a man could not have come up with. In other words, It's a critical nature of falsifiability.

* Ezekiel 20:25-26 "Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, And judgments whereby they should not live; 26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, In that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, That I might make them desolate, To the end that they might know that I am the LORD. "
* Ezekiel 14:9 "And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, And I will stretch out my hand upon him, And will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. "
* 1 Kings 22:23 "Now therefore, Behold, The LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, And the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee. "
* 2 Chronicles 18:22 "Now therefore, Behold, The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, And the Lord hath spoken evil against thee. "
* 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, That they should believe a lie:"

"Unfortunately, Those who ask this question are often unaware or have forgotten the purpose of being on the earth in the first place. "
Whoa. Gotta stop you right there. Who said there"s a "purpose" for anyone? That"s kinda condescending and ridiculous especially for those who are bipolar and or extremely down on themselves and don"t believe in themselves.
Continuing "If God""
Strange, You automatically assume this whatever unproven undefined supposed "god" exists without any evidence to back up any claim that it does exist. Why?
Also, You assume that there"s only "one" unproven undefined "god"? Strange, There could be thousands, Millions, Quadrillions of gods. Or the very best bet is why not any god(s) since you nor anyone can back up with evidence that any god(s) exist?
Continuing "simply showed himself"
Strange, You assume that this unproven "god" is a "him"? Why? Could very well be a "her", A transexual, A hermaphrodite, Or some other species that man has absolutely no clue as to how to define.
In other words, Please don"t assume.
And of course, Absolutely 100% this unproven supposed undefined "god" would absolutely show itself. That way there would be no doubt of what it was, To settle that doubt rather than having all this looming failure of the bible.
Continuing "Then every person on earth would follow it. "
Nope. Not even close. Those who are intelligent, Educated, Have morals, Have integrity, Have dignity would ---never--- follow it. That is IF and only IF they"ve read the bible AND are not properly and or improperly (which happens nearly 100% of the time) indoctrinated into this specific mortified religion.

"If believing in God were that easy, Everyone would do it. "
Nope for the above reasons + a lot more. Would you like me to mention one helluva lot?

"The entire plan of salvation would be frustrated, "
Who said salvation is a "good" thing?
Especially to be in a mythical heaven with an unproven undefined supposed whatever "god" that in no possible way can ever prove itself to exist and according to this hideous book has murdered 2, 821, 364 all in one little splotch of land way back in ancient times when there was one helluva lot less of a population which includes babies, Children, And pregnant mothers which according to you believes is not pro-life by any means.
"Because no one will have been tested of their faith. "
I see. So you believe that an unproven storybook character undefined supposed whatever "god" that supposedly knows everything according to you, Thus knows the answers to this 'test", Long before you were even conceived is going to "test" you? Why?
Since this unproven "god" knows the outcome of this "test", At least it better or it's not a god, It"s either playing games with you in which case every true god would do - right? Or this test is absolutely bogus and this whatever supposed unproven "god" would NOT EVER give anybody any kind of a test especially to suffering children as they are being beaten, Tortured, Raped, And abused by their parents as an example. Btw, Millions per year who have no way out.

"The plan""
What plan?
"of having everyone come to the earth, With a full knowledge of the gospel, "
Well see, Um no. That"s why there"s over 33, 830 denominations of christianity. There"s no consensus. And since you are of the latter day saint - hopefully you can follow this and get this before you read ahead" which denomination of christianity did the latter day saints branch off of? Since there"s no possible way that the denomination(s) whatever that branch(es) may be, Your entire religion is false. Like it or not.
You nor anyone in existence has "full knowledge of the gospel". No one ever has. No one ever will. Why? Because the texts/ written word, In which case once again no true genuine god would ever use, MUST constantly be updated as language changes. Since this is true, There are a few fatal flaws within this which are once again why no true genuine god would ever dream about using text/ the written word as it would know well in quadrillions of years in advance not to. Since there are these updates and language changes, The messages change. With each update, Who are these interpreters? Since they are HUMAN, They make mistakes as everybody makes mistakes so the messages change. No exceptions, None. So you are reading an imperfect manuscript, Like it or not. It gets worse" Who keeps on changing what the characters, Especially what the lead characters (the unproven god and the unproven christ) say with each translation and update? I wonder what they would think about this? It gets MUCH worse" there"s no original to the bible. So you have nothing to base your religion on. No Sorry. You do not get to base mormonism on the book of mormon alone. These are just a few fatal flaw as to why text/ the written word no true genuine god would ever use it.

Satan? Let"s look at it. Like your unproven god, Satan is also unproven. But here"s the very big difference"
Satan = 10. God = 2, 821, 364 which includes babies, Children and pregnant mothers which according to you is pro-life. Also satan gets only something like 23 verses in the bible depending on the translation and or version. Now how many of those verses do you believe this "devil" gets to actually speak whereas your unproven god gets to speak in how many verses?

"And everyone, Even bad people like himself, Would be able to enter heaven. "
Wow did you stumble onto the absolute worst thing from any religion. If anyone does not believe in this mythical christ, It"s a straight trip to the mythical hell to burn forever in eternal flames even if we have done nothing wrong. Now if garbage on a noose that according to you your unproven god knowingly created such as Hitler, Mao, Hong Xiuquan, Serial killers, Pedophiles, Rapists, Etc and they repent, They will automatically have a spot in this mythical heaven for having done everything possible wrong when it is they that should burn in this mythical "hell" forever and ever. If that isn"t the most screwed up thing in all of religion, Or even in all of law, Nothing else is.

"See, God cannot be scientifically unproven or proven. "
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=F9GVbr3Mp9g - No Ape/Human Common Ancestor | Helen-NC | Atheist Experience 25. 18 (Wow. Watch this ENTIRE thing)
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=6ggzNmhjjcQ - Math Proves god
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=72nXbHDQypM&t=92s - Why Math isn"t Evidence for god
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=umvcpPQJnBE - Top 10 Logical Reasons That Prove God Does Not Exist! (not all are scientific)
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=AXarxMt4rqk&t=14s - 6 Proofs of god's existence debunked (again not all are scientific)
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=TZxf6NwFIKo - If you don't know the answer, That proves god! (same thing not all are scientific and is the same vidie)

"The only way to know if the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is real"
Why should I care if it"s real when you worship (the mere act of worship is completely bankrupt and immoral) and your unproven god according to the print murders babies, Children, And pregnant mothers for the mere act of jealousy which is not a reason? And it also approves of slavery, Hates women, Loves rape etc. It also issued death warrants for those who blasphemed, Work on the sabbath, Commit adultery, Curse at their parents which is 4 of your 10 commandments, And issued death for those who are gay and those who do not worship it.

Would you like the verses?
Btw, I was born jewish.
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Posted by backwardseden 1 month ago
backwardseden
@missmedic -Greetings! Long time no see. I hope you are doing well? Me, Of course not.

"A god exists on belief alone no proof is needed to believe. "
Agreed. However, That's from man's point of view, Not from a god's. If a god is to demonstrate its existence, Then it must obviously require some sort of belief. After all the number 1 thing preached in the idiot moronic bumbling bible to satisfy this unproven undefined god's embellished bellied up ego is faith. Obviously, That's belief.

"It would be far easier to believe in a god that interacts with our reality, "
Well you know lil ole me and I've been saying it for well over a decade now. . . If a god were genuine and true it would never use text/ the written word.

"So what does a god do, If anything? "
Please correct me if I am wrong here, How can it do anything if it cannot demonstrate its existence in which case it is impossible especially when it lied according to the bible with various different verses as there's no possible way anybody can distinguish from when it is telling the truth from fiction?

Please always tc and haveth thee fun!
Posted by missmedic 2 months ago
missmedic
A god exists on belief alone no proof is needed to believe. It would be far easier to believe in a god that interacts with our reality, You know the reality we all share. So what does a god do, If anything?
Posted by brodiescott76 2 months ago
brodiescott76
Why should God feel the need to prove his existance?
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