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Why does the bible get to sidestep the process and does not require proof and science does?

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Started: 7/8/2021 Category: Religion
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backwardseden

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The bible is filled with so much hooey and miracles that obviously could have never happened such as plants began to grow without sunlight, People living 900 years or longer, A serpent speaking human language and living on eating dust, All of the Noah's flood story, It's god being able to prove it's existence to anyone etc etc etc and this does not in any way require proof. Why is this?
Whereas science ---always--- requires proof time and time again as it should such as 2 + 2 = 4. Evolution + the interconnection of Mother Earth/ Mother Nature/ Gaia Mother Earth, The speed of light, Without death nearly all species would not be able to live, Etc etc etc.
So why does the bible not require proof of any kind for believability and science does in order to believe in it?
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Posted by LionStripe42 1 month ago
LionStripe42
Please please please please PLEASE, Your insults aren't helping your argument; rather, They are making that 60 year old man look bad. Do some research to be sure you can have some degree of accuracy in your claims.
Posted by backwardseden 1 month ago
backwardseden
I truly have no pity, And once again, No offense, For those that fall flat-footed over their own ignorance. But yeah, Yeah gotta get over that menagerie of arrogance.

So I leave you with the dumbest of dumb from what you said and to reiterate "And God cannot make errors, "
Really? Deliberate genocide for the mere reason of jealousy which is not a reason, Hating of women, Loving rape, Loving slavery, Murdering babies, Children, And pregnant mothers, Issuing death warrants on those who blaspheme, Work on the sabbath, Curse at their parents, Which are 4 of your supposed 10 commandments ARE NOT ERRORS all in which are verses and more than a couple in your BOOK? It---made---man according to your blithering idiot book with all of his errors. His willingness to rape the planet and look where it's got us, You don't believe that YOUR unproven god in creating smallpox, Rabies, Hitler, Mao, All serial killers, Rapists, Pedophiles, Daddies to rape their own 4 year old girls and punch them in the face for 17 years until they run away from home and that's only the start of their horrors, Not getting rid OF ALL SUFFERING especially among children is NOT this god committing bombastic errors according to you?
Perhaps when you grow up and STOP INVENTING EXCUSES to save your unproven god for its shocking embarrassments in which case once again, And for the at least third time, You cannot prove that this god even exists, And this god cannot prove its existence as more than well proved to even the feeblest of minds, Then you "might" actually have something genuine that is truthful and honest to say. But not until then.
Posted by backwardseden 1 month ago
backwardseden
5. This unproven storybook character fabled fantasy undefined whatever supposed "god" OF PRINT ONLY from a BOOK, Namely your bible, That nobody in the entire existence of the human race has ever been able to prove even exists cannot prove its existence to anyone. Not ever. After all, It lied and deceived in the print. And yeah, Even to its own supposed prophets, That you read with several different verses which means that nobody can ever know when your supposed whatever unproven "god" is telling the truth, Fact from fiction, Which would include when it is telling anyone the truth which could be a lie about its storied existence. There is no possible way that YOUR unproven storybook character god can possibly ---ever--- prove its existence to anyone. Not ever.
* Ezekiel 20:25-26 "Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, And judgments whereby they should not live; 26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, In that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, That I might make them desolate, To the end that they might know that I am the LORD. "
* Ezekiel 14:9 "And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, And I will stretch out my hand upon him, And will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. "
* 1 Kings 1: 22:23 "Now therefore, Behold, The LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, And the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee. "
* 2 Chronicles 18:22 "Now therefore, Behold, The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, And the Lord hath spoken evil against thee. "
* 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, That they should believe a lie:"

So you really think a BOOK proves a god? Really?

"And God cannot make errors"
You cannot even prove this whatever "god" even exists and this "god" cannot prove its existence to anyone, Not ever. Too bad that you got terribly tripped up.
Posted by backwardseden 1 month ago
backwardseden
they at one point or another must have gotten the messages wrong/ incorrect because they after all are humans and are NOT perfect.
If there's one message that is incorrect, There's another and another and another and it can't be helped from what is supposed to be a perfect book. EVERYBODY should be able to understand this book. There would be no nouns, No verbs, Etc, Nothing added or subtracted from it throughout time. In other words, No true genuine god in which case nobody can define and nobody from any religion has ever proven a god to have ever existed in the entire existence of the human race, It would never use text/ the written word. It is a supermassive contradictory hypocritical fatal flaw into any god's existence from any religion.
So you are reading a fatally flawed BOOK. So a true genuine god, That you bow yield, Kneel, Pray to (which the mere act of "worship" is completely bankrupt and immoral) once again, Would ever use text/ the written word because---you---are ---better---than---it!
4. There is no definition for a god because no human has ever been in the company of a god and been able to prove it. You cannot test, Show the characteristics, Show the properties, Nor can you demonstrate a god. It is impossible because you cannot define a god because none has been defined by anyone in the history of the human race because no god has ever been seen, Defined, Told to anyone through talking about/ oratory, Written about from a god's point of view as far as to how it can be tested, Demonstrated and thus defined and the characteristics of a god proven. So you as a believer have no evidence to back up any claim to thus prove that any god from any religion exists.
"If you cannot give a definition for what you believe, Then you really don"t believe in anything. " Tracie Harris
She's right.
Posted by backwardseden 1 month ago
backwardseden
@LionStripe42 - You're not too terribly bright are you? No offense. So let's shut you down right now.
"The Bible is the inspired Word of God"
Really? How many supermassive fatal flaws are within that one statement?
1. Which god? Why only one god? Why not thousands, Millions, Quadrillions, Of gods? Or the very best bet is why not any gods since you nor anyone in the entire existence of the human race has ever been able to prove that any god(s) exist from any religion to back up any claim with evidence?
3. Why do atheists get this nearly 100% of the time and theists almost never do? No idiot god if true and genuine in any possible way would ever use text/ namely the bible, Not for any reason, Not ever, As a form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence, Which is the worst possible way to get its messages across from itself to man. There are at least 50 reasons for this. Hopefully, You can think of at least 3. If you can"t then you do not know your religion as well as you think. In fact, It"s not at all. To prove it, Think about ---anything--- as far as what is the criteria that must be godly that a human could have not thought of in the bible? In fact, There's nothing. Thus is the critical nature of falsifiability.
Btw, Which translation upon translation upon translation of the bible is true? Which copy upon copy upon copy of the bible is true? Which dead language upon dead language upon dead language which eventually dies off is true? Which update upon update upon update is true? In which case every single one of them as language changes, So do the messages, So none of them can possibly be true. And since there is no original version/ translation of your bible you have no foundation to base any religion on. Thankfully, You don't! So regardless, Any religion by that merit is false. Even worse, By the translations, By the copies, By the dead languages, By the updates, Since the interpreters are humans,
Posted by LionStripe42 1 month ago
LionStripe42
(I missed the challenge part)

You seem to be assuming that all the things you mentioned are false. Can you prove that they didn't happen?

Yes, It's a fallacy to use that argument, But think about it. The only way to know for sure what happened in the past is to be there or have a reliable witness tell you. The Bible is the inspired Word of God, Meaning it was written by men with the influence of the Holy Spirit. God was there, And God cannot make errors, So all those things have been proven to be true.
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