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Why is it that christians do not present anything new that atheists haven't debunked countless times

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Started: 6/15/2021 Category: Religion
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backwardseden

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Indeed, A very good question. "Why is it that christians do not present anything new that atheists haven't debunked countless times? "

* Pascal's Wager = Zzzzz. Def "the argument put forth by Blaise Pascal that it is in one's best interest to believe in the existence of God, As it is a rational assumption and does no harm, And the possibility of eternal punishment in hell outweighs any advantage of believing otherwise. "
Well it does plenty of harm. Especially to believe in an absolute terrorist god according to the very bible itself where the unproven storybook character fabled fantasy undefined whatever supposed "god" OF PRINT ONLY from a BOOK, Namely your bible, That nobody in the entire existence of the human race has ever been able to prove even exists murders babies, Children, Pregnant women, Hates children, Loves slavery, Loves rape, Lies (which means that it cannot prove itself to anyone), Loves war, Loves anger, Rage, Fury, Jealousy of all things, Vengeance, Wrath etc.
That you should wager for god. Really? Poker chips. A good bluff. Yeah, People bet with their lives if this whatever untamed she=rew of a god exists or not. And if it doesn't, Then you will have lost nothing and the concept remains invalid. If this god exists (in which case there's no possible way it can ever prove that it exists), How could have Pascal thought it up? AND what a tepid morbid god to breed his flock this way. So either way, It's a no-go to bite into this dreamboat. BELIEVE IN YOURSELF! There! Not so hard!

* The Ontological argument = boring.
Def: "an a priori argument for the existence of God, Asserting that as existence is a perfection, And as God is conceived of as the most perfect being, It follows that God must exist; originated by Anselm, Later used by Duns Scotus, Descartes, And Leibniz. "
Perfect? And yet this supposed perfect meandering whatever infinitesimal "god" created something as dismal as man with all of its imperfections - right? That's a good one. Not once, But twice.

* The Argument from "personal" Experience which is the same as nothingness because this revolts back to why doesn't this meaningless meandering unproven god lookout for suffering children rather than a runt like you who has had a "personal experience" whoop tee doo.
Oh and yeah, Those "personal experiences" that you supposedly have had? Really? Um nope. As everybody's so-called "personal experiences" ARE DIFFERENT. Why is there no consensus? Why is there nobody that can tell anybody and get a consensus that is truthful about what heaven looks like as an example? Or what god looks like as another example?
"Personal experiences"? Which fraudulent one(s) that nobody can prove a god exists? There's more truthful experiences where Jane Doe's have met up with aliens.
Btw, Which god? And why only one god? Why not thousands, Millions, Billions, Quadrillions of gods? Or the very best bet is why not any god(s) since nobody in the history of the human race has ever been able to back up any claim with evidence that any god exists?

* Faith = Only in the greatest flop of the bible would faith be such an iconic presence and used as a superior weapon.
"It's called faith because it's not knowledge. " Christopher Hitchens
"Why would a god rely on faith instead of evidence? " Matt Dillahunty
"Faith is the reason people give when they don't have evidence. " Matt Dillahunty

* The Kalam Cosmological Argument
Never works as it's drawn up from insanity that never passes "go" from any scientific community of merit and never has from around the world.
The Kalam also never fits into anything that is biblical.
"Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
The universe began to exist.
Therefore, The universe has a cause. "
Now does any bubbling idiot moron see the word "god" ---ANYWHERE--- within that bubbling manicure? TA DA! Nope! So you nor ---ANYONE--- gets to lick kitty lick a deity attach a deity to that barn owl boot stinker.
As proposed correctly by TMM "If god exists, Why does he exists, Instead of not existing? If he can just exist by necessity without needing a cause, Why can't the universe exist by necessity without a cause? "
Regardless, The axe hammer smooshed root deal doesn't hold up at all within any scientific model, And here's some vidies to prove it. . .
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=TZxf6NwFIKo - If you don't know the answer, That proves god! Kalam 4:00 Kyle Butt
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=1u9ZIQ33a8c - Atheist Destroys The "Kalam Cosmological Argument"
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=nKSn32QmurQ - The Kalam Cosmological Argument isn't about God
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=cpC8WtufJbo&t=106s - The Arguments for God's Existence Tier List (there's a lot more that goes on here. Regardless, This starts at roughly the 5 minute mark)
* https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=xiCUoyYp6BM - Necessary Thing Explains Reality | Paul-(UK) | Talk Heathen 05. 21 Kalam

Supposed christians (there is no such thing as a christian) would also have to prove their unproven storybook character fabled fantasy undefined whatever supposed "god" OF PRINT ONLY from a BOOK, Namely their bible that no idiot true genuine god would ever use text/ the written word as a form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence to get its messages from itself to man, That nobody in the entire existence of the human race has ever been able to prove even exists in the first place in which case their whatever god cannot prove itself to anyone ever anyway.

Oh yeah, There's plenty more arguments that so-called christians come across that are so very easily debunked and will continue into further RD's, That atheists like myself and millions of others simply get tired of explaining time after time after time again and again and again and again especially to those who think they know it all and are not willing to listen. We as atheists who do things like this, Do you really as a reader and you are a supposed christian, Do you not know that we are 5 steps ahead of you and we "probably" though it's not a guarantee already know what you are going to say long before you are going to say it? However, You do not know what we as atheists think, Or believe. Why? You probably don't even know what an atheist is.
We function as individuals. We are not tightly wound up on a bundle of big black siphoned books that you base your lives on. We as atheists think, Reason, Rationalize, Use common sense, Use logic completely differently. The only thing as a whole that we have in common is that we believe that there is no god(s). That's it. And yet you as supposed christians have trouble with the first page of your book and getting a consensus on that. It's something to think about.

Now remember, The question is "Why is it that christians do not present anything new that atheists haven't debunked countless times"? The subjects mentioned in this debate are not "new" by any means and are rotted-out corpses, Easily debunked, Old, And worn out. Hopefully you in accepting this debate can think of something new to be debunked?
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Posted by Finalfan 1 month ago
Finalfan
Confirmation bias, Cognitive dissonance, And protecting a brand that brings wealth and power.
Posted by Atheos1968 1 month ago
Atheos1968
I have noticed nobody has asked the question "which god" are we talking about? And the Kalam argument can also be told as the Argument from Incredulity. Or Argument from ignorance.
Posted by RoyDe 1 month ago
RoyDe
There are two reasons. First, We firmly believe the basics haven't changed in 2, 000 years (Before you explode, Read #2). Second, We all know that you can't "Logic" a person into Faith or Trust. We've also know, Since the pamphlet "I Imagine an Island Than Which No Greater Can be Conceived" that proving God is impossible. If you could prove Him, You would be able to define Him, And in order to define Him, You have to bring Him down to a level we can understand, Which would be to attempt to diminish Him, Which is blasphemy (i. R. A bad idea). You're just going to get the same answer, Over and over using different words. Tc and be strong
Posted by backwardseden 1 month ago
backwardseden
@Drlebronski - "Im an athiest but chill out you can at least respect their religion. "
What's there to respect when it gives people 100% false hope from a terrorist unproven superior ego god complex in which case the bible is entirely about and nothing else and this character "god" in no possible way can ever prove itself to possibly exist to anyone, Not ever? Let's see if you know why? Oh and ntw, Have you even read the bible to see how many babies and children this character ego "god" has murdered for mere reasons of jealousy from this print? That's just for starters. Y____? N____? "Respect"? Seriously? Now I respect people for people especially when they show intelligence and do not invent excuses. I do not respect religion, A belief. Not something that cannot be tested or demonstrated or asserted or declared.
Posted by Drlebronski 1 month ago
Drlebronski
Im an athiest but chill out you can at least respect their religion. It may seem weird to you but theres nothing wrong with being christian.
Posted by brodiescott76 1 month ago
brodiescott76
Does anyone need to point out the absurdness of you asking a question to a group of people you do not believe exist?
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