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backwardseden
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GCorpora
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Why is the god of the bible so narcissistic, Egotistical that it demands to be worshiped?

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Started: 6/15/2021 Category: Religion
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backwardseden

Pro

Why is the god of the bible so narcissistic, Egotistical, Self-admiring, Self-absorbed, Self-centered, Self-important that it demands to be worshiped?
GCorpora

Con

God does not demand to be worshipped (I invite you to provide any instance in the Bible in which you believe that God demanded people to worship him). He has given everyone the free will to choose what or who they worship. That being said he does WANT us to accept him as Lord so that we may have eternal life with him in heaven. Again, I invite you to provide any instance in the Bible in which God is "Narcissistic, Egotistical, Self-admiring, Self-absorbed, Self-centered, Self-important".
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

Not too bright kid. Your unproven storybook character fabled fantasy undefined whatever supposed "god" OF PRINT ONLY from a BOOK, Namely your bible, That nobody in the entire existence of the human race has ever been able to prove even exists ALWAYS demands to be worshiped in your idiot babbling bumbling big black hole baby brained boring bible. Why do you believe it developed the name "jealous" and plummeted the entire kingdom that you idolize of warfare of complete and total genocide after genocide after genocide? That's demanding to be worshiping sonny boy which is completely bankrupt and immoral. It's a "believe/ worship in me or else die" spoiled bratitude throughout your stumbling block bible.
Here's those genocides.
God murdered 3, 000 EX 32:27-28, God murdered 14, 700 NU 16:49, God murdered 24, 002 NU 25: 1-11, God murdered 12, 000 JOS 8: 1-25, God murdered 10, 000 JG 1:4, God murdered 120, 000 JG 8:7-10, God murdered 42, 000 JG 12:3-6, God murdered 1, 000 JG 15:14-15, God murdered 3, 000 JG 16:27-30, God murdered 25, 101 JG 20: 35-37, God murdered 30, 002 1 SAM 2:25 and 1 SAM 4: 10-11, God murdered 50, 070 oh get this one just for looking into the ark of the lard 1 SAM 6:19, God murdered 22, 000 2 SAM 8: 5-6 "The Lord gave victory to David wherever he went. ", God murdered 65, 850 because he gave He-Man favoritism to David 2 SAM 8:8-10, God murdered 47, 000 yep more David 2 SAM 10:18, God murdered 20, 000 yep still more David 2 SAM 18:6-7, God murdered 70, 000 2 SAM 24:15, God murdered 100, 000 1 KI 20: 29, God murdered 27, 000 due to a wall falling 1 KI 20: 30. A wall in itself cannot kill 27, 000. Even today its impossible. So its either, A lie in the bible, A misprint, Or an act of its unproven storybook character god of print only, God murdered 185, 000 2 KI 19 35 -37, Oh this is the very best part" Your unproven character storybook god of print only which should be most certainly be taught to children murders five hundred thousand of his own chosen people for no reason 2 CHR 13 17-18 half a million! Thankfully peace is winning over your slumbering idiocy of stupid pathetic murder. God murdered one million 2 CHR 14: 9-14, God murdered 120, 000 2 CHR 28:6, God murdered 75, 813 Esther 9:5-18. Yeah your unproven god is really so moral huh? Nope.

DT 17: 2-5 "2 If there be found among you, Within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee, Man or woman, That hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God, In transgressing his covenant, 3 And hath gone and served other gods, And worshipped them, Either the sun, Or moon, Or any of the host of heaven, Which I have not commanded; 4 And it be told thee, And thou hast heard of it, And enquired diligently, And, Behold, It be true, And the thing certain, That such abomination is wrought in Israel: 5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, Which have committed that wicked thing, Unto thy gates, Even that man or that woman, And shalt stone them with stones, Till they die. "
Um yeah, If you or anyone worships wrongly and or incorrectly that is not in the sights of your lard, You die. It's far worse than a ticky-tack "demand". Its death. Simple. Such a loving, Kind, Caring, Harmonious, Peaceful that YOU worship. Right?

EX 20: 5 "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, Nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"
That's a demand noodle brain. "Thou shalt not" Whatdayah think that means?

DT 5:9 "Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, Nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, "
Whatdayah think "Thou shat not" means? Do yah really believe IT IS NOT a demand? Really?

PS 81:9 "There shall no strange god be in thee; neither shalt thou worship any strange god. "
Time for you to fold. This is far too easy.

I could rub it in far deeper into paths you cannot even contemplate. You do realize that - right?
GCorpora

Con

There's a great quote from Socrates that goes "when the debate is lost, Slander becomes the tool of the loser". I guess I've never had someone lose a debate that fast, And give in to using ad hominem attacks.

When one truly understands God, They understand that these verses are not just him commanding us. He is the one that gave us freewill, So there is no sense in him giving us commands because he knows that we as humans will break his commands. Instead, One who truly understands God, Realizes that in these verses, He is giving us knowledge about what is right and wrong, So that, In using our free will, We can make the wise decision to obey him, Lest we spend eternity apart from him and his love.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

"There's a great quote from Socrates that goes "when the debate is lost, Slander becomes the tool of the loser".
That never works for a puffy-eyed dim bat wannabe who doesn't know anything about his subject(s), Namely his religion in this case, And because he doesn't, He pretends that he does, Is he invents excuses for it, And or flat out lies in which case never works. A word of caution: its a very good way to get rid of every single genuine friend and or loved one from your life, If you haven't already because they will walk AND every single teacher you've got WILL see through this tepid piece of lard that you attempt to pull this on and give you a super easy F very single time, No exceptions, None, TRY IT and see how far it gets yah, As well as does so many have tried it here on DDO. God are you boring to bring out that worthless remark up because first you've got to be somewhat truthful, Intelligent, And educated and present evidence for the subject(s) that you claim to have knowledge upon in order for that statement to work. Nah. Not you. Right fiddleledee? Pathetic.

"When one truly understands God, "
Well that's a major fallacy right there. First YOU are required to prove that it even exists in order for YOU to even understand it.
Then you have another supermassive problem. . .
There is no definition for a god because no human has ever been in the company of a god and been able to prove it. You cannot test, Show the characteristics, Nor can you demonstrate a god. It is impossible because you cannot define a god because none has been defined by anyone in the history of the human race because no god has ever been seen, Defined, Told to anyone through talking about/ oratory, Written about from a god's point of view as far as to how it can be tested, Demonstrated and thus defined and the characteristics of a god proven. So you as a believer have no evidence to back up any claim to thus prove that any god from any religion exists.
"If you cannot give a definition for what you believe, Then you really don"t believe in anything. " Tracie Harris
She's right.

Then you have another supermassive problem. . .
No idiot god if true and genuine in any possible way would never use text/ the written word, Namely your bible, Not for any reason, Not ever, As a form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence, Which is the worst possible way to get its messages across from itself to man. There are at least 50 reasons for this. Hopefully, You can think of at least 3. If you can"t then you do not know your religion as well as you think. In fact, It"s not at all. To prove it, Think about ---anything---, Anything at all as far as what is the criteria that comes from a god and could NOT in any way possible have come from the mind of a human as far as a human is concerned in your bible? The fact is there's nothing godly about your bible that a man could not have come up with. In other words, It's a critical nature of falsifiability. So if you think what you say is true, Then you take your ideals to 20 different churches within a 20 mile radius and you get a consensus. 1 billion to 1 you won"t even try because you know better that you will not get any kind of a consensus. Would you care to make a wager on that? That is IF and only IF you are honest? However, We both know that in no possible way are you honest at all especially in the debate as you are completely see-through and dishonest AND YOU KNOW IT!

Now you want to talk about your unproven storybook character fabled fantasy undefined whatever supposed "god" OF PRINT ONLY from a BOOK, Namely your bible, That nobody in the entire existence of the human race has ever been able to prove even exists giving you "free will"? Really?
"Thou shat not" is not free will.

"So there is no sense in him giving us commands because he knows that we as humans will break his commands. "
So according to you this "god" that supposedly created the universe in 6 days has no control over a lowly species known as "man".
Now, As stated, To prove yourself wrong, But you never will because you cannot face up to your errors like an actual living breathing person, You take that EXCUSE to 20 different churches within a 20 mile radius and you get a consensus on that. 1 billion to 1 you won't. 1 billion to 1 you won't even try. Care to make a wager on that? Yeah you WON'T BE HONEST BECAUSE IT'S AN EXCUSE and a truly awful one at that.
This debate is now over. I'm done. You won't hear from me anymore.
I only pay attention to those that are educated and intelligent. You have nothing of value to say.
GCorpora

Con

Try to shy away from ad hominem and focus on the subject matter. Your salvation is too important to mess around with.

"First YOU are required to prove that it even exists in order for YOU to even understand it. " We know that he exists from the simple fact that anything exists. In the same way that we know that there was a builder when we see a building, We know that there was a creator when we see creation.

I'm not sure about the definition about other "gods", In 1 John 4:8, John tells us that "God is love", And in Revelation 22:13,
God said, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, The First and the Last, The Beginning and the End. "

As far as God not being seen: God the Father has not been seen here on Earth, But God the Son, And God the Holy Spirit have been.

The last "supermassive problem" that you put forth, May be your subjective truth but it is not the objective truth.

"Thou shall not" actually does allow for free will. I will give you an example: "Thou shall not kill". People still kill people despite this commandment. The fact that it even has to be said, Implies free will because if people didn't have free will, There would be no need to give the commandment at all.

"So according to you this "god" that supposedly created the universe in 6 days has no control over a lowly species known as "man". God of course has the ability to control us, As he is all-powerful, However, He chooses not to.

I have to touch on something that you mentioned in the previous post (which I forgot to cover in my last post), And that is about the morality of God. The problem with the argument is that from a worldview that has no God, You have nothing to base morality off of. You have to borrow from God's moral standards in order to argue against him. Or rather, You are sitting in his lap in order to slap him in the face. In an atheistic world, There is no right and wrong in which to judge the Lord by.
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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by missmedic 1 month ago
missmedic
I googleed "amygdala size determines political affiliation".
Posted by RoyDe 1 month ago
RoyDe
I agree. There are always outliers. At first, I thought perhaps I only knew or was in some way drawing outliers to me. So I searched for the article you referenced. All I found were two small studies from about 10 years ago that "suggested" this trend. There would have to be a large subject pool to show accurate results and they would need to use a wider draw than simply available students. . I am hoping you have a more recent study.
Posted by missmedic 1 month ago
missmedic
Keep in mind the differences between individuals will always be greater then that of any group so it would be unfair to speak of an individual using the traits of the group. Personal experiences should always matter but they must be evaluated with a clear logical mind because the easiest person to fool is ourselves.
Posted by RoyDe 1 month ago
RoyDe
missmedic - Your Post about :Fear is greater in conservatives" was interesting. It is also in contrast to my personal experience. This makes me extremely curious regarding the actual article. What you have referenced suggests my experience is flawed and I need to consider reevaluation.
Posted by backwardseden 1 month ago
backwardseden
missmedic - yeah well his religion, Just as most are as based on first comes power, Then that power trickles down to fear, And then that power and fear trickles down to control. Wow is GCopora so so so both in fear and controlled by his religion.
Thank GOD atheists are individualists.
Please tc and have fun.
Gotta run for now.
Posted by backwardseden 1 month ago
backwardseden
Yeah. Our fine huggable pillow talk friend came back with the only come back that he possibly could have come back with. . . The typical REPUBLICAN (he doesn't even know what that is, He doesn't even know what an atheist is either, So much goes for his criticisms against us which are flattened against any real arguments) so-called christian response when cornered up against the crack of a creaking door gnawed shut by the rusted truth of common sense, Logic, Thinking, Rationalizing, And reasoning that he in no possible way has any counter for or concept of.
That's why he came up with the s--t excuse of "But your minds are clearly shut tight" with the anal threat of war not only against us, But against everybody that is against him "So I"ll be praying for you in hopes that you stop hating God, And so that you can turn to him and spend eternity in paradise with him. " which never works as it's been used by countless so-called manure junkie spread roach meat so-called christians when they've nowhere to go and knowingly lost any conversation and or argument they might be in. So much goes for their "light" which is now turned pitch black from a biblical so-called god of terrorism that is completely banrupt and immoral that murders babies, Children and pregnant mothers for absolutely no reason and knowingly creates children to horrifically suffer according to his religion.
See, What he doesn't get is we don't have egos to bruise, Whereas he oh most certainly does. He is plucked like a fly from our brains, Forgotten about in nanoseconds. Whereas we will be stuck in the rot of his brain for years to come.
Posted by missmedic 1 month ago
missmedic
GCopora you did not come here to have a conversation or debate a point of view you came here to preach. You are afraid to have a real conversation about your beliefs. You're afraid to listen to other people's viewpoints because conversation might change your mind so you preach. As you move through life you may wish to progress through learning so try learning new things like self-awareness and critical thinking. You may want to look up those words before you claim to have those attributes already. Thanks for reading have a nice day.
Posted by missmedic 1 month ago
missmedic
Backwards
I recently read an article about research conducted by three different groups of neuroscientist. The research consisted of examining over 3500 different brain scans. Their findings show that with 80% accuracy they can predict whether you will favour conservative or liberal viewpoints. The reason for this is the size of the amygdala which is responsible for the fear response. The larger amygdala found in conservative thinkers is hypersensitive to fear stimuli and triggers a tribal response. This helps explain why conservatives prefer authoritarians.
Posted by missmedic 1 month ago
missmedic
A good University has a tendency to turn intellectuals into liberal non-believers this is one of the main reasons why Republicans and Christians don't want to support higher education in accredited universities.
Posted by GCorpora 1 month ago
GCorpora
Thank you for your time, But your minds are clearly shut tight, So I"ll be praying for you in hopes that you stop hating God, And so that you can turn to him and spend eternity in paradise with him.
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