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backwardseden
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King_Odysseus
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Why would any intelligent and educated person want to believe in god?

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Started: 3/17/2018 Category: Religion
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backwardseden

Pro

* god is what gives people false hope

Should you or anyone be worshiping this so-called god who in his bible has demonstrated he has a superior bloated ego complex in which NOBODY can even prove exists? Especially when this god hates gays, hates anyone that does not believe in him, endorses slavery, gets jealous, he wants you to die if you work on the sabbath, commit adultery, he's admitted several times that he IS evil, has admitted more that several times that he hates children and babies, hates women, loves rape, commits abortions, loves cannibalism, loves his deliberate genocides etc etc etc? Why? Why not?

Rules: Counter some of the verses below (pick 10 or more) and prove that there is love within the verses and that god shows his love...
Do not invent excuses
Do not use opinions

My opponent for this debate will not be able to compose his argument for the final RD. In other words, I will have the final say.

* god hates gays in his bible and wants them stoned to death LV 20:13 proving god hates,is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god hates anyone that does not believe in him in his bible 2 CHR 15: 12-13, ESPECIALLY if someone worships another god/ idols other than himself, thus wants to kill them DT 13: 9-10 and 17: 2-5 proving god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god endorses slavery in his bible EX 21 the entire chapter especially 20-21 which is truly sick and disgusting, LV 25:39, LV 25:42, LV 25: 44-46, DT 15: 12-15, DT 23: 14-16, MT 18:25, proving god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god gets jealous in his bible EX 20: 3-5, EX 34:14, DT 4: 23-24, DT 32: 16-17, DT 5:9, DT 6:15, JH 24:19, PS 79:5, PS 78:58, 2 COR 1:2, proving that he is evil, hates and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god wants you to die in his bible if you break the sabbath EX 31:14, NU 15: 32-36 proving god hates and is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god wants to put you to death in his bible if you commit adultery LV 20:10 proving god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god has freely admitted in his bible numerous times that he IS evil IS 45:7, 2 SAM 12: 11-14 sick and disgusting, EX 32:14, 1 KS 1 22: 22-23, 2 CR 18:22, JM 19:3, JM 19:15, JM 23:12, AM 3:6, DT 30:15, 2 KS 22:16, JU 9:23 thus proving that he IS evil which is irrefutable and also proves he hates and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god in his bible knowingly and truly hates children through numerous passages such as LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, 2 SAM 12:11-14 which is truly sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16, 2 KS 15:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, (EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21), JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, 2 KS 6: 28-29, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, 2 HS 2: 23-24, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, 2 KS 8: 9-15,LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23 only to name a few proves god hates and is 100% pure evil and 100% proves he cannot be involved with love.
* god hates women in his bible LM 4 9-11 sick and disgusting, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, JD 21:10, 2 SAM 12 11-14 sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31 17:18, LV 26 21:22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, DT 2 32-34, 2 KS 8: 9-15, 2 KS 15:16 sick and disgusting, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, 2 KS 6: 28-29 sick and disgusting, JD 19: 24-29, LM 2 20-22 sick and disgusting, 1 COR 14:34,1 TY 2:12 proves god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god loves rape in his bible NU 31: 17-18, 2 SAM 12: 11-18 sick and disgusting, JD 19:24-29, JD 21: 10-24, DT 20: 10-14, DT 22: 28-29, DT 21: 10-14, JD 5:30, EX 21 7-11, ZE 14: 1-2 proving that he is evil, pure evil and nothing but, is filled with hate and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god commits abortions who knows how many times within several verses in his bible, so that means that christians do not follow their god which is extremely hypocritical and contradictory from his bible HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, 2 KS 8: 9-15 sick and disgusting, 2 HS 15:16 sick and disgusting, HS 9: 11-16, and perhaps the biggest acts of abortions were committed in the great flood according to this so-called god of the bible in the great flood (which never happened btw) so who knows how many pregnant mothers died there in his bible thus proving this god to be nothing but pure evil, hate and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god loves yummy cannibalism in his bible LM 2: 20-22, JM 11: 22-23, LV 26:29, 2 KS 6:28-29, LM 4: 9-11, proving this god to be truly sick and completely whacked out thus is evil, hates,and thus cannot be involved with love..
* Indeed god is far far far worse than Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hong Xiuquan, all serial killers, all rapists, all tortures, all pedophiles, all sadomasochists etc etc etc combined. After all god knowingly created them which means that he is ultimately responsible for them. Its either that or god is not a god and lets them off the hook with nothing but a tap on the shoulder for their horrific, disgusting, repugnant crimes and simply god---does---not---care. Now here's some examples of god"s sickened, diseased, abominable atrocities for absolutely no reason at all... the great flood according to the bible (which never happened btw) so who knows what the body count was there? 3,000 EX 32:27-28, 14,700 NU 16:49, 24,002 NU 25: 1-11, 12,000 JOS 8: 1-25, 10,000 JG 1:4, 120,000 JG 8:7-10, 42,000 JG 12:3-6, 1,000 JD 15:14-15, 3,000 JD 16:27-30, 25,101 JD 16:27-30, 1 SAM 4 34,002, 1 SAM 6:19 50,070, 2 SAM 8 65,850, 1 KI 20: 28-29 100,000, 1 KI 20: 30 27,000, KI 19 35 -37 185,000, 2 CHR 13 17-18 500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 2 CHR 28:6 120,000, Esther 9:5-18 75,813 etc etc etc Yeah god is really so moral huh? Nope.

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King_Odysseus

Con

I'm going to assume you are referring to Christianity since you clearly failed to specify. I am also going to assume you are either agnostic or atheist since you failed to specify that as well. I am a Christian.

First off you are going by the old testament, which any cultured person with the intelligence to comprehend and respect the beliefs of others, whether it is monotheism or polytheism, would know that the old testament is the history of mankind and its interactions with God (with a capital g, show some respect). Since you clearly do not know, the old testament is used to show different lessons that should be learned. I have to admit that it appears to be that God is not as perfect as people make him seem due to that according to the bible, he basically pushed the delete button on his creation.

Aside from this, people are supposed to go off of the new testament, which gives the current rules that should be followed and the order of what is to come (which is clearly accurate as shown in the book of revelation) within the religion ignoring most of the old testament. An exception would obviously be the 10 Commandments.

Some people believe in God because it is in fact the most logical thing to due. Others do so because of their morals. Some do so because of their parents. Calling people stupid because they choose to believe in God, a trinity force of unlimited power, creator of everything, giver of salvation (eternal life in Heaven), is pure ignorance.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

I truly hate teeny bopper groping imbeciles who have to belch up wurds from their fingertips that are instead their livers that ventilate smog from a world of yodeling Buddhist monks to lather up their soap opera digestive systems to somehow make sense of the world.

Awe well um gosh golly gee gosh darned it all if you were to have taken a lookie at the verses before you were to open your jockstrap maw, then you would know that I am referring to christianity. Nah its far far far too much to ask for ANY christian to actually do something as wide and as vast a something as "reading". Do you know what "reading" is? You know? Words. Sentences. Nah.

And wowzers cabbage batbrain, if you were to have actually looked at my profile, you"d know what I am - agnostic, atheist, or whatever by gum. Holy cheeseburger. Oh and btw, I always check the profiles of my opponents so I knew you were a christian BEFORE you mentioned it to me. But then again, there"s no such a thing as being a christian at any rate.

And now to degrade, humiliate and dehumanize you and wow do you deserve it because you had absolutely no idea what you were talking about, you flat out invented excuses, you pretended to know you are talking about for knowledge in which you know nothing about.

Um no idiots delight, not all of the verses listed are from the OT. Most are. So what? There"s no such a thing as the so-called "trinity". Its a made up gesture long after the death of christ. So it doesn"t count. AND to make matters much worse for you YOUR bible does NOT state ANYWHERE that jesus was god unless its a contradiction. Oh and btw, there"s 0 proof, just like god, that both even exists. And the BOP is always upon you to do as such. No exceptions. None. Why? Because there"s nobody who has. So until someone can demonstrate and or test that they do exist, you"ve got nothing.

"would know that the old testament is the history of mankind and its interactions with God" Oh really? According to what imbecile? You? How would you know? What grade of biodegradable nun"s pep rally garments that have been used for moldy diapers for teachers report cards did yah get that one from snookums? Now yah prove it in which NO ONE can thus do. Um no god with a small "g" is showing 0 respect because after all this god of yours completely disrespected the entire human race and all life.

Wow you are right: god is NOT perfect. Therefore god is NOT a god then is he? Nope. And then since god is not a god since he most certainly is not perfect is most certainly not worthy to be bowed down to nor worshiped nor idolized for any reason along with all of his other hateful faults. "he basically pushed the delete button on his creation." Yeah and you worship him because of it. Great going you. Keep up the good work. Oh and btw, the great flood NEVER HAPPENED.

"Aside from this, people are supposed to go off of the new testament," According to what moronic demonic possession that knows nothing about anything namely you? People---can---do---what---ever---they---want---when it comes to religion. Oh and oh yeah, if they go off into the NT as your tinsel mind suggests, namely christ, well christ is the most fought after figure in the history of the human species. Great going you for believing in this travesty. Great going man for believing in this travesty in which no intelligent person does. You think you REALLY do? So that means that you MUST give up your entire family and you MUST give up all of your wealth and possession and go off into the desert somewhere and basically follow complete air, because again, nobody can prove that this christ exists. That"s according to YOUR bible in which you just like most bantering christians who are NOT christians have NOT read their bible"s. But then again this god of the bible would not communicate in text form, the worst form of communication possible.

"An exception would obviously be the 10 Commandments." Well the 10 commandments are a true joke unto themselves in which nobody can follow truthfully. 4 of them are geared to a fake god's bloated's ego. They all except for one (and guess which one) demands death if broken, and none of them are geared towards children whereas clearly at least one of them should be. And you my friend are a child. And at least one of them should read something to the effect of "thou shalt always honor and protect children and never cause harm unto them". Nah this god is only worried about his sad miserable pathetic fake fraudulent self. I also get it that so you and only you pick and chooses what is acceptable to only you and no one else. So you would obviously dump creation and make it oh say 11 days. You would dump the great flood because it never happened and Noah and that big fat ark as well because it never could have sailed under biblical pretenses, you"d also dump all of exodus including moses who was pure evil, you"d dump Sodom and Gomorrah, you"d dump the 10 plagues, the parting of the red sea and all the blah blah blah"s blots that YOU don"t like. Naturally, ESPECIALLY the parts where it makes YOUR god look extremely bad. What about all the laws this god of YOURS put down with a hammer? Oh but wait by gum. They"ve NEVER BEEN changed!!!!!!!!!! So you follow YOUR BIBLE Deuteronomy 13: 9-10 which orders you to come on down here and kill me because I do not believe in YOUR god and the same is true with Deuteronomy 17: 2-5. Whatsamatter you total arrogant prick? You are not going to do it? So you disobey a direct order from your slutty pigish god.

"Some people believe in God because it is in fact the most logical thing to due." There is no logic believing in god. There"s nothing to test nor demonstrate his existence. There"s nothing tangible. That"s NOT logical. "Others do so because of their morals." Well the verses listed in RD1 prove 100% that YOUR god has NO MORALS. TRY HARDER and invent better excuses. "Some do so because of their parents." Well everybody, no exceptions, none, is born an atheist and many, yes, are forcibly subjugated by their parents to go---to---church and or temple or whatever, and or are beaten/ abused as the bible preaches to believe in YOUR god.

"Calling people stupid because they choose to believe in God," I don"t. When you come along and invent excuses for something in which you clearly know nothing about and yet you pretend that you do, then yeah I call you stupid with my brand of insults. And you deserve it as it is my right and its something you will learn in college should you get that far.

"a trinity force of unlimited power, creator of everything, giver of salvation (eternal life in Heaven), is pure ignorance." You are right, it is pure ignorance because you nor anyone has the evidence to say that this so to back it up with. So until you or anyone does, then as the saying goes "put up or shut up".
King_Odysseus

Con

Half of that yammering is even close to debating, it's pure juvenile delinquency. I would not expect you to understand. Also, why waste my time looking at someone who clearly has no purpose in this world. And for someone who claims to be agnostic, you sure do put a lot of thought and consideration in what to Christianity. Here's a quote for you, "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence." - Carl Sagan. Disprove that if you possibly can.

It is evident you have read the bible, but you clearly do not comprehend YOU HAVE COMPLETELY MISINTERPRETED THE BIBLE. First off, God does not hate children as shown in Psalm 127:3-5 Matthew 18:2-6 and Mark 10:13-16. Also, in spite of people like you, God does not hate those who do not believe in him as shown in Psalm 103:8 John 3:16 Romans 5:8 Titus 3:4-5. In addition, you misunderstand Exodus 21, it is not slavery, it is a job. This is proven in verse 11 when it mentions "money". IT'S A CONTRACT AGREEMENT. And you say Christians are stupid. Do not get it twisted. Start from Exodus 20 and surely if you are not too bull headed, you shall understand. In Leviticus 25:39 you also misunderstand. Read Lev. 25:38-40 you ignorant fool. It is saying to hire him rather than buy him as a slave. TRY READING FOR ONCE. In Lev. 25:42 that is referring to those who believe in God are servants unto God, that is not slavery at all. Servants are not necessarily slaves, get a dictionary. Again in Deuteronomy, it is a CONTRACT AGREEMENT, like a loan in reverse. In this case, it is work for six years and I give supplies to get on your feet. Read thoroughly. YOU ARE A FOOL FOR THINKING GOD LIKES CANNIBALISM. God killed all of those cannibals in Lamentations. You do not understand anything. Furthermore, unless going by kill count, saying God is "far far far worse than Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hong Xiuquan, all serial killers, all rapists, all tortures, all pedophiles, all sadomasochists etc etc etc combined" is blind statement. God killed those who were doing dreadful things such as cannibalism, constant lust, and pure greed.

You repeatedly state that God is evil, but no where in the bible does it remotely hint at God being evil. It is so simple. The rules God has set in place can be compared to the laws set in place by man. Do something wrong, you get a punishment, calling God evil is invalid. If you call God evil, you might as well call mankind demons as system we have in place for right and wrong follows the exact same pattern.

You went on to say, "you worship him because of it" in reference to my "delete button" analogy is false. That statement is the very definition of ignorance. You know not what I do and therefore cannot make any worthy claim about what I do. This constant ignorance is more evidence that shows you are a fool who knows nothing about what he is talking about and does not deserve that right to speak at all until given reason to do so.

You made a contradiction to my statement about people are supposed to go off of the new testament and said, "According to what moronic demonic possession that knows nothing about anything namely you? People---can---do---what---ever---they---want---when it comes to religion" This is a failed contradiction because I never said anyone had to, all I said is that they were supposed to. And you said I do not read.

Here's what you said, "Oh and oh yeah, if they go off into the NT as your tinsel mind suggests, namely christ, well christ is the most fought after figure in the history of the human species. Great going you for believing in this travesty. Great going man for believing in this travesty in which no intelligent person does. You think you REALLY do? So that means that you MUST give up your entire family and you MUST give up all of your wealth and possession and go off into the desert somewhere and basically follow complete air, because again, nobody can prove that this christ exists. That"s according to YOUR bible in which you just like most bantering christians who are NOT christians have NOT read their bible"s. But then again this god of the bible would not communicate in text form, the worst form of communication possible" This is a debate about why people believe in God, you have failed to tell me why people should not. You cannot give a proper reason as to why people should not and you will never be able to other than saying there is no proof. I do not know, and I really do not care if your pea brain can comprehend this, but it's called faith. and those who have live a better life. This is clearly shown in the words you type, they are full of rage, irritation, stress, ignorance, stupidity, and immaturity.

You stated that "the 10 commandments are a true joke unto themselves in which nobody can follow truthfully." How can the bases of Human Law be considered a joke. Of course, no one can truthfully follow all of them, WE ARE HUMAN, the most flawed creature on Earth as demonstrated by you. You say the ark never sailed, you are right. It would not need to sail. There was no purpose for it to sail. You there is no proof, it was made of wood, that wood is long gone. And it is very clear that water has covered the entire surface of the world which is proven by fish fossils being found in high mountain, a solid reason for why there was even an ICE age. Ice meaning frozen water. You say the parting of the Red sea did not occur? Then how do you explain the straight row of skeletons buried below it. Do not try and use "coincidence" which is more far fetch than any religion.

You told me to "come on down here and kill me because I do not believe in YOUR god" as I CLEARLY stated before, the rules of the old testament are invalid and we Christians are to follow the rules of the New Testament regardless of free will. Those who do not are not true Christians. As there is a loop hole to everything, if presented with a valid reason to do so, then believe me I would. Even with the enormous amount I hesitation I know I would have.

You say religious people invent reasons for things, then what do you call theories like the big bang. Those are silly made up things to explain why things happen. Seriously? A whole lot NOTHING exploded into something, that is bull crap. If you people go believe in the big bang, then there's no reason God cannot exist. For example, what caused this whole lot of NOTHING to explode? Science might as well go off of the bible since it is more concise. Check the scriptures to see if the match up: http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com...
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

Oh doodie doodie the teeny bopper returns a bottom feeder laxative prayer carbonated granny fart whoopee cushion voodoo doll swastika love song. Juvenile delinquency and yet you ARE a juvenile. Wow what a strange tightrope noose that grabs at the you know where areas to inner change commercials.

Well that"s news to me rover the jesus jujitsu, where oh where did I claim that I was agnostic?

"Also, why waste my time looking at someone who clearly has no purpose in this world." Now you go right ahead and stew on that biggie lifesaver garlic onion beer deodorant belly button lint flavor of course, for hours and hours and then with your tinkling mind think, rationalize, reason, use common sense, use logic because most certainly your god, religion and bible has none and you may come up with a few proper answers. Yes that"s correct smarty pink panties, its plural = purposes. So what exactly is your purpose? Oh but wait, there"s no such a thing now is there because YOU manage to somehow think you are a christian which is an impossibility. Have you abandoned your family? Nope. Have you gotten rid of all your possessions? Nope. So don"t go groveling to me a Carl Sagan Quote when you google it, it comes up about 75,200,000 results. Wow are you that bad of a complete failure?

Now here"s a quote for you and also name who said "Who"s more the fool? The fool? Or the fool who follows him?"

Oh I have read the bible. It is so crystal clear with your tepid rabid rabbi nodes completely turned off that you haven"t. Nor do you have the ability to interpret correctly, nor properly. Now let"s be honest here" where and how do you get your interpretations from? After all you are a mere 15 year old teeny bopper scarcely scratching the surface of life. So how can you even know your bible, much less if you even know your god even exists in which you nor anyone can prove exists? Now say a very big and wide "duh" for the camera. So let"s move on and see what you have to say with a super big grin on my face because I---do---know---how---to---interpret---YOUR---bible in which YOUR god, as stated before, would NEVER use text as a form of communication, the worst form of communication possible.

Oh wow. YOUR god most certainly DOES hate children. Have you even examined the verses listed? Apparently not. They are sick, demented, diseased, warped and truly disgusting that comes from your god. But I am so very glad that you have discovered some verses that shows that your god in your bible loves and cares for children. Guess what that means? THEY ARE SUPERMASSIVE HYPOCRITICAL CONTRADICTIONS. Oh gosh golly gee gosh darned it all, they are how many out of probably 1,000 supermassive hypocritical contradictions and inconsistencies in YOUR bible, thus making YOUR bible unreadable. Have fun overlooking this website in which is irrefutable. And keep in mind contradictions AND inconsistencies. And yes, I"ll agree with you some of them ARE WRONG. But nearly 90% of them are right.
https://infidels.org... - Bible Inconsistencies - Bible Contradictions? Perfect examples are"
GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience as well as with the fact that God allegedly does not change his mind: NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17.)

GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

Absolutely pathetic. Those are just a gracious few. Wow. That"s only some of genesis alone.

Now let"s move onto what you have presented Psalm 127:3-5 (I"ll give you that one so its a supermassive hypocritical contradiction)
Matthew 18:2-6 doesn"t count because it has 0% to do with god.
Mark 10:13-16. Sorry can"t give that one to you. Nope "Suffer the little children to come unto me" KJV "Let the little children come to me" NIV Ah yes that precisely WHY YOUR god would never use text as a form of communication, the worst form of communication. Do you really think he"d allow some lowly man to CHANGE one of of his sacred son"s most endearing quotes of ALL TIME? AND that change of quotes and characters takes place throughout translations and that insight YOUR god if reasonably intelligent, which just shown that he"s not if he uses text, would simply never use text. Be that as it may "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein." That"s pretty crystal clear. YOUR god hates children. PERIOD.

NOW YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK UP THE VERSES FROM RD 1 YOU TIGHT LITTLE SNOB THAT SHOWS THAT YOUR PATHETIC DRAB OF A GOD HATES CHILDREN in which you have NOT f--king done. Its just too bad that you cannot possibly handle solid evidence when slapped in the face with it. But what is one to expect from the typical person who claims of himself to be a christian which is an impossibility?
Now you watch ALL of this vidie as its directed at a child like you. Maybe. Hopefully you will get something, anything out of it. Its very moving and all true. Or nah. Be the piece of s--t waste of a yeast infection that you knowingly are and completely ignore evidence that is rammed down your throat, especially truthful evidence. Yeah show god's LOVE!
http://www.youtube.com... - god hates children

"God does not hate those who do not believe in him as shown in Psalm 103:8 - Does that verse state ANYTHING AT ALL about those who do not believe in him? Nope. Therefore it doesn"t count.

John 3:16 - You really are an idiot. YOU MUST believe in god otherwise YOU WILL PERISH. Now what part of that don"t you understand? And more crap like that and I"m going to stop with your idiotic interpretations of verses because it is so crystal clear that you do not have the ability to interpret correctly and with an open mind nonetheless and that you are just looking for any tiny little niche to get through. Newsflash: One or two verses DON"T WORK out of hundreds.

Romans 5:8 Its a good thing I have an education, am intelligent and am smart and you are not in any way, shape or form and you believe because - well why? Did yah bother to look at the verse that precedes it? "For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Everything probably repeating in YOUR bible is about YOUR god"s precious superior ego complex. And only the completely insane would die for and unproved god and christ. christ died for no one. And its really pathetic to teach suffering the way this unproved christ died to children. What can children possibly learn, especially you since you are a child, from suffering, except for nothing. And don"t you dare open your retarded maw and say anything because you have 0 idea as to what true suffering is. None. And to make matters even worse" christianity teaches the beginning of suffering. Buddhism teaches the end of suffering. Oh well gosh golly gee Buggs Bunny I can"t possibly imagine which one is better from anyone"s point of view?

Titus 3:4-5. Nope christ reference. Not god.

"In addition, you misunderstand Exodus 21, it is not slavery, it is a job." OH AB-SO-LU-TE-LY 100% INCORRECT. THERE IS AB-SO-LU-TE-LY NO ATHEIST ON THIS PLANET THAT THAT YOU CAN CONVINCE THAT OF. We are right. You are wrong. We know better. You pretend you have the answers. You invent excuses. You know nothing.
http://www.youtube.com... - Is Slavery in the bible?
http://www.youtube.com... - Matt Dillahunty destroys theist over slavery (this is EXACTLY you and your idiotic beliefs. And since you think you are so smart, be prepared to be torn to shreds. Don"t worry, you have 0 outs. Matt and Tracie ARE right. The caller is wrong. So are you. Your printed god is wrong.)
http://www.youtube.com... - Biblical slavery (same as the above ESPECIALLY)
http://www.youtube.com... -= Slavery in the bible (this oe also gets into some lovely CANNIBALISM)

"And you say Christians are stupid." Remember, YOU said it.
Oh I understand just fine, your god, your religion, your bible are completely bankrupt and immoral.
Leviticus 25:39 is slavery.
Lev. 25:38-40 38 has nothing to do with anything. So what? Just because someone does someone a favor doesn"t mean that someone should be subjected to slavery YOU IGNORANT FOOL.

OK I"m done. You have 0% ability to interpret correctly.

New Rules:
Show god's love within RD1 verses of god hating children as well as the vidie or don't bother
King_Odysseus

Con

It's clear you have not read a thing and you are probably a third grader incapable of comprehension. Come back when you have read the bible for yourself instead of going off what other ignorant souls are saying who also have no evidence of what they are referring to.
Debate Round No. 3
backwardseden

Pro

That's because you had nothing of value to say in which I absolutely destroyed and pulverized you with solid evidence that you cannot refute and you know it. Its clear you cannot handle losing. Its clear you cannot handle your god being a piece of s--t.. Too bad you don't like it. Eat it.Its clear that you have absolutely no genuine friends or loved ones either which is a HUGE red flag. Bye.
King_Odysseus

Con

Bye? So then YOU FORFEIT, therefore you admit defeat and I win. Obviously you have forgotten this is a debate and put way to much emotion into what your original inquiry was. Also, just because you're a loner doesn't mean everyone else is. I already answered you question. The answer is a concept far beyond what your bird brain can comprehend, faith. Since your too bull headed and ignorant to understand, I won't sit here to try to explain it to you just leave you with two scriptures:
Psalm 23 which reads:
1 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. 2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. 3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me 5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies; thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.
And Psalm 121 which reads:
1 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help. 2 My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth. 3 He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber. 4 Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. 5 The Lord is thy keeper: the Lord is thy shade upon thy right hand. 6 The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night. 7 The Lord shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul. 8 The Lord shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore.

If you need more examples of faith for you to gain some grasp of what it is, I will gladly quote more and more and more. Which is a reason for why any intelligent and educated person would want to believe in God. Aside from that (and the overall fact that it is the right thing to do) any truly intelligent and educated person would want to believe in God because of the promises God has made and rewards in store for those who believe.

Scriptures
Philippians 4:13,19
13 I can do all things all things through Christ which strenghteneth me.
19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
Matthew 21:21-22
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. 22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
2 Corinthians 5:7
7 For we walk by faith, and not by site.
Mark 11:24
24 Therefore I say unto you, What thing soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Lastly, John 3:16
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by King_Odysseus 3 years ago
King_Odysseus
Well, he actually forfeited. I guess I take the dub (dub = W = win).
Posted by 2far4u2CharlesDarwin 3 years ago
2far4u2CharlesDarwin
backwardseden

Atheist:
A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

is the above statement correct?
Do you tell lies?
Are you a disbeliever of any sort of existence creator?
Are you someone that lacks belief in the existence of any sort of existence creator?

Mean what you say and say what you mean is not mean it is meant from the heart. Sometimes you need to be cruel to be kind.
For you certainly know how to be cruel and not much kindness your putting out are you a troll?
Posted by 2far4u2CharlesDarwin 3 years ago
2far4u2CharlesDarwin
Atheist:
A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Kcrogan3929 is the above statement correct?
Kcrogan3929 do you tell lies?
Kcrogan3929 Are you a disbeliever of any sort of existence creator?
Kcrogan3929 Are you someone that lacks belief in the existence of any sort of existence creator?

Mean what you say and say what you mean is not mean it is meant from the heart. Sometimes you need to be cruel to be kind.

Kcrogan3929 For you certainly know how to be cruel and not much kindness your putting out are you a troll?
Posted by kcrogan3929 3 years ago
kcrogan3929
Dear @backwardseden, the sad part is im 14, and your 56, yet i make alot more sense. Have a nice life, and go crawl back in the crawl back in the hole you came from.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@kcrogan3929 - Well I did back up my own topic and the ones you brought up. If you don't like it, ah well, I don't care, especially when I'm communicating to a 14 year old who really can't understand much from an adult who is 56. And that's not my problem. That's yours. I also fully explained the insult deal. Again, if you don't like it, that's entirely your problem, not mine. This will be my last communication to you. I have better things to do. Bye.
Posted by kcrogan3929 3 years ago
kcrogan3929
@Backwardsaden well this was a fun debate. I would continue on, yet as i said earlier you are to immature to back up your own topic. You sit there and fill your arguement with insults, and totally degrade your whole 'atheist' arguement. Bye bye
Posted by lIlIlIllIIIIllIlI 3 years ago
lIlIlIllIIIIllIlI
Con will receive my vote due to pro's behaviour in and out of the debate as well as con providing sounder arguments.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@kcrogan3929 - Obviously you are a brainless twig caught in a blender of dried up pus. When you go around inventing excuses form something in which you know nothing about and yet you pretend that you do for something in which you point blank have no knowledge upon then its my right to insult, degrade, and dehumanize you. That's something you will learn in college should you get that far. I'm not here to please you. If you don't like it, leave. I---don't---care.
Obviously you know nothing of Stephen Hawking's work. I mentioned something of his work to totally destroy what you stated and make it a hypocritical contradiction.
"Also, Christians Don't twist his words." Oh really? According to what imbecile that was born from manufactured flypaper? You? How would you know? What grade of manure spread on a bank-itty-blank-wishful-thinker did yah come up with that one? Oh absolutely christians make EVERY attempt to twist Stephen Hawking's works. How naive are you? "I am a big believer in science, not religion." Well that's a good thing. But thus far you most certainly have not spaddled it. "If it makes sense in my mind I believe it." Well that's also worthy of something. But the thing is you gotta communicate it properly. Perhaps it is my fault that I do not understand what you are trying to say. And then again, we've only communicated twice. "And guess what, although god may not have created the universe, their is a big possibility on whether or not he is real." Nope. Because nobody, not one person has EVER tested nor demonstrated that this god IS real. So until that happens, this so-called god is not real. And the thing is, is this so-called god could simply talk to us to prove he is real rather than playing this game of hide-and-go-seek which is no way is real as faith and the bible are both NOT evidence of any kind because this so-called god IF he had intelligence would never use them because he'd realize they are not evidence. PERIOD.
Posted by King_Odysseus 3 years ago
King_Odysseus
Although I made some typos, you guys should be able to get the point.
Posted by kcrogan3929 3 years ago
kcrogan3929
@Backwardsaden Obviously you are to immature to back up your own argument. Saying im a 14 year old schmuck is not helping your argument AT ALL> and although Stephen Hawking did not believe in god you know he made sense of it in one of his books. Obviously you know nothing of his work. Also, Christians Don't twist his words. I am a big believer in science, not religion. If it makes sense in my mind I believe it. And guess what, although god may not have created the universe, their is a big possibility on whether or not he is real. And Don't call someone unintelligent just because they have beliefs.
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