The Instigator
backwardseden
Pro (for)
The Contender
dukeofpanda
Con (against)

Why would anyone "want" to believe in god? Count all the people god wants to murder

Do you like this debate?NoYes+0
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Debate Round Forfeited
backwardseden has forfeited round #3.
Our system has not yet updated this debate. Please check back in a few minutes for more options.
Time Remaining
00days00hours00minutes00seconds
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/8/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
Viewed: 628 times Debate No: 113667
Debate Rounds (5)
Comments (16)
Votes (0)

 

backwardseden

Pro

http://www.youtube.com... - top 10 reasons why the bible is repulsive
Taken from http://www.godisimaginary.com...
I tacked on a little bit in the middle as this article missed a little bit as I"m sure I also missed a little. Nevertheless its really quite sick, disgusting and perverted as the god of the bible shows himself to knowingly be. But it is a slap to the fact to christians of truth. OK here we go...

If you look in the Bible, there are an amazing number of people that God wants his followers to murder. For example, in Exodus 35:2 God lays down this commandment:
Exodus 35:2 "2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death."

Think about that how many people work on the Sabbath -- all the employees of Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Home Depot, Linnens & things, grocery stores, convenience stores, power plants, airlines, hospitals, emergency services and on and on and on. Don't rabbis, priests and preachers work on the Sabbath? God wants all of them dead.

Then look at Deuteronomy 21:18-21. It says:

Deuteronomy 21: 18-21 "18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."

That is a whole lot of teenagers that we need to kill.

Then there is Leviticus 20:13:

Leviticus 20:13 "13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

All homosexuals need to be killed. What about this:

Leviticus 20:10 "10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."

All adulterers are required to be killed.

That's a lot of people who need to be killed.

In other words, if we actually listened to what God says, we would need to kill at least half of the people in America tomorrow. After all, Isaiah 40:8 says, "8The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever." The article missed Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him." The word of the Lord tells us to kill half of the U.S. population.

Oh its a lot more than half. The article missed a bit"
* Exodus 21:17 "17And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death."
* Leviticus 20:9 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him."
* Mark 7:10 "For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:"
*Matthew 15:4 "For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." Who knows how many kids, teenagers, adults that would curse at their parents would this christian god put upon them to be killed? This god is really disturbed.

So every person that curses, repeat, curses at their parents that person shall be put to death.

What about Deuteronomy 13: 9-10?
"9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
For simply wanting to leave and believe in something else that person shall be put to death.

Deuteronomy 17: 2-5 basically states the same thing:
"2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the Lordthy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God, in transgressing his covenant, 3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: 5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."
For simply worshiping other things, who knows if they were other "gods" demands the death penalty. So all other religions with its peoples that do not worship the god of the bible are to be stoned to death. So its more like 7/10"s or higher of the population if ruled under the christian god would have to be killed.

There are two things in this that show you that God is imaginary. First there is the utter stupidity of these verses. Second, there is this fact: If God is an all-powerful being, he would kill them himself. There would be no need for people to do the murdering. These people would already be dead, and Wal-Mart would be closed on the Sabbath through lack of employees.

Notice that believers completely ignore these parts of the Bible. That is because they know that the verses are insane. Yet Christans also believe their God to be perfect, omniscient, all-loving and all-good. By acknowledging that their God is insane, they prove that their God is imaginary by contradiction with their opposite definition of God.

Conclusion
It is absolutely impossible for anyone who thinks that they are a christian to worship their tepid god and actually be a christian in any way, who rules with absolute power and then brings in fear and then uses that fear to control. Granted that"s how most religions operate, but not with such strangulation as christianity does. After all its one wrong move, one wrong slip-up and many christians who believe in this "hell" of theirs, they believe that they will be sent there even though society knows that they have done nothing wrong. Yet a murderer actually has a free hall pass if once convicted and roll over a new leaf and suddenly believes in this holier than thou He-Man She-Ra christian god of THEIRS. Yet strangely, and oddly, they cannot even prove that this god even exists.

RULES
Prove that the christian god is NOT completely insane, and not a cold blooded murderer, is NOT the ultimate sin against himself, and or bearer of the ordering the axe to grind and the hammer to claw and fall their way when this christian god could have and should have brought in an era of peace, harmony, love, kindness, care for each other AND KEPT IT, but never did etc etc etc

Only christians will be allowed to accept this debate.

dsjpk5 will not be allowed to vote in the voting process
dukeofpanda

Con

First I'd like to point out that Christians are not bound to the Mosaic Law. Romans 10:4 says it the simplest when it declares "Christ is the end of the law." Romans 7:6 says Christians have been discharged from the law of Moses. The Jews had such strict and "exacting," to say the least, laws in order to uphold a standard of righteousness often not held by the nations surrounding them; by letting them know what was bad it effectually gave them a means to work toward perfection. The law provided a way for Jews to achieve perfect righteousness in the eyes of God and if they failed to uphold the law they had animal sacrifices for sin or the law may have required that offenders be put to death; it let them know what was bad.

* As a side note: Cursing your parents, in the context of Bible times, was publicly declaring that you wished your parents dead it was not referring to a simple insult. I'm pretty sure we can all agree that threatening death to anyone, especially your parents, is not a good habit. In fact it's downright repulsive for a child to do such a thing to the parents that gave so much to protect and raise them.

But Christians have Christ as their means to a righteous standing before God. While the principles in the mosaic law are good for Christians to learn from they are not bound to them. For example Christians are free to eat many foods condemned in the law, they don't need to observe Sabbath laws, they don't need to get circumcised, and they definitely should not sacrifice animals. Ephesians 2:15, Acts 15.

Even in ancient times only the Jews were affected by law. If you weren't a Jew you had no reason to fear being put to death for disobeying the Sabbath. The Jews were under contract as a nation to uphold the Law of Moses given to them by their God. For example, Mosaic Law stipulated that the Ark of the Covenant be handled in very specific ways and that the Jews couldn't go touching it or looking at it any way they wanted in fear of instantly be putting to death by God. But the Philistines, who had captured the ark, did not die when they didn't keep the law while returning the ark to the Jews; instead it was the Jews that died who ran out there to retrieve the Ark because they didn't follow the law.

The only people subjected to death under the Mosaic law are the Jews. And seeing as the Christian view point regarding the Law is that it's been done away with by Christ no one is going to be put to death by a Christian for not observing the sabbath, for cursing their parents and being an ingrate child, for committing adultery, or for committing an act of homosexuality.

In fact the worse that could be done to you by the Christian congregation for violating a rule is being kicked out of the congregation. 1 Corinthians 5: 11-13. Christians aren't supposed to kill anyone and if you aren't a member of the Christian congregation there isn't anything at all that can be done to you. Granted Christians might not want to have close association with people who would do things they don't like but its up to them.

Now you may argue against God's character for having enacted such rules in the first place, but it would be best to consider the context of the Laws while considering the time and surroundings the Jews lived in. The surrounding nations were not exactly beacons of righteousness in any sense.

Abraham, forefather to the Jews, was instructed that his descendants would posses the land of Canaan, but why not just give it to him then? Genesis 15:16 explains it's because the people hadn't become bad enough to justify being removed yet. When Moses and Joshua did eventually take the Jews to the promised land they found it full of people who practiced child sacrifice as well as male in female prostitution as part of their religion, which was heavily interwoven with their lives. They were an extremely immoral people. The Law served to sternly keep the nation of Jews separate from the practices around them. If the Jews wanted to be like the nations around them it would have justified their death anyway, so, in this context, the Law could definitely be seen as reasonable.

Consider this as well. If you get married how would you feel if your spouse decided to sleep with other people and break all the vows of marriage the two of you made? Is it okay? No. The Jews entered into a vow of exclusivity with God, much like a marriage. The relationship with God brought them life, prosperity and freedom from dread of their enemies, without God the nation was as good as dead; trapped in slavery to their oppressors. Is it wrong for God to ask his people not to cheat on him? After all, they agreed not to.

If you didn't agree to an exclusive relationship with the God of the Bible then you are free to worship whoever you want. The Jews only attacked nations when certain circumstances dictated it and then their compliance served to demonstrate their obedience to God. There were times the Jews tried to go to war and got defeated because God had not commanded it. Things are different for Christians. As part of their demonstration of faith Jesus commanded his followers not to take up the sword. Christians are not supposed to kill on behalf of God or Jesus. Matthew 26:52, 53.

Some of the laws and rules in the Hebrew scriptures were very much a product of their time and simply strove regulate practices that God hated, but could not be completely stopped due to the stubbornness of people during the time.

The allowance of polygamy is one example. By the time the Christian congregation was formed it was completely stopped.
Slavery was a prevalent practice in ancient times. The law stopped permanent slavery of fellow Jews and then it regulated it to stop the abuse of slaves that would be common among surrounding nations. Later the law of Christ would effectively ban cruel slavery by requiring Christians to love their neighbors as themselves. (Neighbors essentially being everyone) Divorce is another example. Matthew 19:8 Shows that God made the concession for people to divorce due to the hard-heartedness of man. Yes, people wanted somethings so much that God made concessions and regulated the practices until it was possible to get rid of the practice altogether.

So, in response to your rules.

Things can appear insane to different people. Heck members of MGTOW (men going their own way) can view marriage as insane for some very good reasons, but their will be others who disagree. It's a matter of context and perspective. Of which I know your understanding is no more complete than the next person's because, let's face it, we didn't live back then, so we can't know it all.

I would not say that God is a cold blooded murderer because in regard to exacting justice according to the Mosaic law the only people it affected were those who were members of that nation. As far as the other times God killed people he only did so when the outcry of their vile badness got so high it was merited. This includes when he flooded the Earth. If you read the account in Genesis that time saw a period when Angels decided to forsake the rules of God and come down to Earth and take whatever women they wanted for themselves and produce a bunch children called the Nephilim. These half human half angels were abominations that had no regard for any sense of decency and did whatever they wanted. The sad part was that people imitated their behavior to the point that the whole Earth became filled with what was bad. If we are to believe the Bible then it would be justified that God wipe out as much human life as he did.

God is not the ultimate sin against himself. I'm not sure what you mean by all that, so you might have to clarify. It sounded like you were trying to poetic about the axe and hammer and stuff, but I'm sorry it isn't clear to me. I will say this though, Mankind has free will. All the discord we have in the world we brought upon ourselves.

This is a point that I think even escapes most Christians. God does not control the world we live in. Society is independent and generally free from interference by God. The flood and the tower of Babel are the few instances that God affected the whole world, but usually action by God is limited in behalf to his chosen people. An example of this is how God protected the Jews for so long until he rejected them. But Mankind is free from God and able to live their lives however they want. Any Christian who tries to forcefully impose their rules upon anyone else is not really a Christian.

You seem very interested in scripture so I sure you're familiar with the Bible account regarding Adam and Eve and the tree of knowledge of good and bad. That tree represented God's rule over mankind. By not eating from the tree of Knowledge of good and bad Adam and Eve were accepting God's decision of what was good and bad. It like how a government makes the laws and if you want to be a citizen of the country you agree to follow the rules lest you receive rejection for your application of citizenship or even punishment for breaking the law. In Adam and Eve's case their decision to unapologetically buck the rules was also their declaration of independence. Is it possible for creatures of free will to govern themselves without God? How can anyone answer this without allowing the experiment to run it's course. God let us take the wheel in order to prove to us and the angels that it can't be done. Gotta say the cries for help and the dissatisfaction among the majority of people in regard to the lack of justice and decency in the world isn't proving him wrong.

God could have brought in an era of peace but he knows he shouldn't because doing so would answer nothing. Earth, mankind in general, is the rebellion. Why would God help the rebellion? That would be self defeating. God gave us standards of right and wrong in the Bible just in case we want to join his team again. That's why we believe in God.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

As I am sure you have read this, but I will post it nevertheless" Here"s how I run things" if there is the slightest hint of you inventing excuses from something in which you clearly know nothing about, especially when its the subject in which you claim to professing you have knowledge upon, namely this one, and you really don"t, and yet you pretend that you do by coming up with invented excuses and or flat out lying, I will insult you with my brand of insults that are original, funny, stupid, deranged and walls to the ball insane, unless those excuses are so far fetched that they are clearly pulled off from your groin to be a groin pull from the gold-i-lox area to keep scientists looking for other planets, then all bets are truly off and I may end the debate right then and there because I DO KNOW my stuff, whereas most don"t. And I will use the three strike rule as three strikes and this debate will be over.

"First I'd like to point out that Christians are not bound to the Mosaic Law.Oh abspolutely 100% false. Strike 1. Romans 10:4 says it the simplest when it declares "Christ is the end of the law."" And who gave christ that perission? It wasn"t god. Until god gives christ this permission to change god"s laws, in which never happened in your bible, you are out of luck my friend. Christ cannot just say "here I am POOF accept me and thus I change the laws" And besides, change WHAT law? See, there"s nothing on that either. You can"t just go on making stuff up to suit your wants needs and desires. Here"s a video to correct your way of thinking.
http://www.youtube.com... - Atheist debates: But that"s the Old testament.
"Romans 7:6 says Christians have been discharged from the law of Moses." That"s not what is says at all. NOT EVEN CLOSE. I should make that a HUGE strike 2 for your utter lack-there-of-total-misinterpretation.
Here"s also what you are saying is that you do not believe in creation, exodus, Noah, the great flood (which never happened btw), the ark (which could have never floated btw), the 10 commandments, moses, the 10 plagues, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc etc etc. You don"t believe in any of it. You also must not believe that the god of the OT is not the same as the god of the NT after all "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Those of us schooled from infancy in his ways can become desensitized to their horror." - Richard Dawkins and he"s right and then magically this god of yours in the NT suddenly changed and stopped all of that? Are you joking?
"The Jews had such strict and "exacting,"..." Wow. Um no it was your god in which you cannot even prove exists. So we"ll discard that paragraph. Again I really should give you a strike two on that one because you made it up.
So let"s get to it and see what you got and i"ve been pretty lenient thus far. Hey its my b-day.
* So you as a christian believes that you should be executed if you curse at your parents as the bible states. Strike 2. Because what if its the reverse and your parents abuse you and or curse at you? What if its daddy that rapes, beats and tortures you so bad that you as a daughter"s a$$ turn into your vagina? Yep your god KNOWINGLY creates millions of children to be abused every single year. So your god is held responsible. But wait, you cannot even prove your god exists. Pathetic.
"In fact it's downright repulsive for a child to do such a thing to the parents that gave so much to protect and raise them." Please do try harder and invent better excuses please.

"But Christians have Christ as their means to a righteous standing before God." Really? According to what? You? How would you know? What grade of lice ridden maggot sauce on rye would you claim to rummage through beef sale would you make a claim like that? You don"t follow YOUR christ by any means. In fact NO ONE who is sane does. Now wait a minute here, you just said that "In fact it's downright repulsive for a child to do such a thing to the parents that gave so much to protect and raise them." And in fact here"s what YOUR jesus said"
Matthew 10: 35-37 "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

Luke 12 51-53 "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law."

Matthew 19: 28-29 "28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life."
Well gee, you just got caught in a super massive MAJOR hypocritical contradiction. Strike 3. I can no longer continue this debate with you. It is so crystal clear that you do not have the foggiest clue as to what you are talking about. You have no idea at to what "the law" is. You had to make excuses for it. No one approved "the law" and if it was jesus he did not have the power to do as such because only god did and god did not give him the power to do as such. And then wow, you got caught in a super massive hypocritical contradiction. No need to worry though as there are a good 1,000 hypocritical contradictions and inconsistencies in your bible to make it truly unreadable. But that one, wow, you got caught and sorry is way way way overboard and thus proves that in no possible way are you a christian. Have you given up your family as YOUR christ demands and orders you to? No of course not. Your christ demands that you show no respect towards your family, and yet if you curse at your parents its death. Wow. bye bye.
dukeofpanda

Con

I don't think you accurately understand the Christian view point regarding the Mosaic Law and I ran out of space to go into further depth. So I'll post a quote from Galatians 3:

"19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed (Jesus)should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."

This is pretty clear. The law served to educate people regarding what God considered righteous. It also served to protect God's people and keep them relatively separate from the depravity of the surrounding nations. Eventually the Law would run its course to completion with the arrival of Jesus, after which people would be released from the Law of Moses and transferred to the Law of Christ. That's really what being Christian is all about. Christians realize that a righteous standing could not be fully achieved under a system of Animal sacrifices because the blood of animals could never buy back humanity from the Sin of Adam. Adam was a perfect human and the only payment that could buy us back was the life of another perfect human; Jesus.

You can disagree with this, but don't try to whimsically dismiss the beliefs of Christians because it doesn't fit your narrative and think that you've settled the debate. I'm providing the Christian Justification for freedom from the Mosaic Law under Christ. The Mosaic Law established the foundation in which the Ransom Sacrifice of Jesus could be realized by mankind. God original purpose of the Mosaic Law concluded with the Christ. The Jews were in expectation of the Messiah because their religion foretold his arrival. God's did give permission for Jesus to fulfill the Law. God even said upon Jesus baptism, "this is my son, listen to him." I am not 100% false in any sense. That's like saying I'm wrong for having an opinion, preposterous. While you may want to give me a strike, you might find a great number of people who disagree with you and find that my explanation is sufficient justification for my stance against Christians being obligated to go around killing unbelievers for not observing the Sabbath of the Mosaic Law.

Your video link doesn't work on my computer.

Furthermore, claiming that I am misinterpreting scripture is no more effective as me making the same claim against you; at this point without a complete breakdown of the entire context of the bible it just devolves into mud slinging. Besides this is a debate of differing opinions, why should we share the same interpretation. I just hope this debate can aspire to something more sophisticated than two kids on a playground yelling, "No, you're wrong."

Now in regard to parents, like a father, raping their children, like their own son. You contradict yourself. The law condemned such homosexual action under penalty of death. In fact all fornication is punishable by death. In regard to rape Deuteronomy 22: 23-27 stipulates that as long as the victim screamed out and opposed the action only the rapist would suffer the penalty of death. I sincerely hope you don't argue against killing rapists. If you asked the fathers whose daughters were sexually assaulted by that Olympic team doctor what should happen to a rapist they would likely agree with the Bible's policy in the Mosaic law.

I'd caution you to be more careful as you seem to run the risk of employing several logical fallacies, in your arguments; fallacies like Ad Hominems (out right attack of character), false dilemmas(because the Sabbath Law doesn't apply to those who don't ascribe to it), slippery slopes, and hasty generalizations(since you aren't considering the other laws that prevent the outcomes of child rape you mentioned.) You are cherry picking and misrepresenting the Mosaic law for your own purposes and I'm concerned that the audience will easily see through it. I think you are better at this than to rely on such underhanded methods.

Don't try to take my words out of context. People can just scroll up and see It was in reference to wanting to kill your parents. The sword Jesus spoke of between family members was not about Christians wanting to killing their family members, but of disagreement. Any desire of killing would come from the unbelieving family member since Christians are commanded not to take up the sword and kill. (Matthew 26:52) Rather Christians are instructed to maintain fine conduct in the case family member or anyone else should disagree with their beliefs (1 Peter 2:12, 3:1,2) God has asked that followers of Christ simply prioritize the prospect of a righteous standing before God above an accepted standing before one's fleshly relatives. As Christians we will suffer the loss of approval from our fleshly family if it means gaining a spiritual one.

As for Jesus ruling and Judging over the the twelve tribes of when he sits on his throne. You fail to consider the entire context. Jesus established a new covenant with a new Israel in anticipation of God rejecting the Jewish system after the Jews would reject his son as their messiah. Romans 2:29 makes it clear that the physical circumcision required by the Mosaic Law that identified an Israelite was obsolete. Inclusion into a greater Israel required a figurative circumcision of one's heart by spirit instead of written code (the Mosaic law). The entrance into the Kingdom of God as rulers with Jesus was opened to people of the nations.

As for approving the Law: The Jews approved of it when they made a covenant with God. Jesus had little to do with the Jews acceptance of the Mosaic law. But then God dissolved the contract/covenant when it's original purpose was realized. The Jews, as a nation, may have decided to reject Jesus but that does not obligate God to uphold the contract. The terms were complete and it was effectively resolved. It's like if you enter a contest to win a certain house as a prize. Once you win if you decide you don't like the house it doesn't obligate the other party to provide you with a different house.

Anyway, there is no major hypocrisy here. Simply a bit of forgivable super massive ignorance on your part in regard to MY Christian beliefs. I don't think there is overwhelming cause to terminate the debate. You may have not convinced me you are right, but that isn't necessarily the point. The point is to convince all those who might view this debate. There is more to be discussed and I don't think you are so cowardly as to run away because you're run into a bit of an impasse. Are you?

Here's a bit of an argument for you: You are trying to tell us what God wants to do by saying he wants to kill countless people. In effect you are trying to put words into God's mouth.

2 Peter 3:9 states that God does not want any to be destroyed but for all to attain to repentance. Surely you recognize the the evils committed by people all around the world. It is God's desire that people should stop doing these things, but as I mentioned earlier, we are independent, so it's up to us to choose. It's true that countless people will die because that is the eventual course sin leads to.

We live in an interesting time to say the least. As if we are conducting an experiment. An experiment to test whether beings of free will can succeed independently of God and his standards of right and wrong. How is it playing out so far? It sucks. God didn't want this for us he put us in a paradise because just like any loving parent he wanted us to have an enjoyable and comfortable life and home; he loves us. But, we messed it up. Our Ancestors Adam and Eve chose to sin, but we didn't; we simply inherited the rebellion. It's not fair, God knows this, so he made provision for us to escape. The Mosaic Law was one step in that provision which led to Jesus, the promised seed, foretold in the very first prophecy of the Bible in Genesis. Christians want to believe in God not because he threatens us with death but because he wants us to survive. Christians recognize what the Bible says as truth and seek to further understand by seeking to grasp the contextual bases for what is said rather than dismissing parts as contradiction.

I don't know how religion wronged you or why you appear to be so angry with God. You may think that you are trying to reveal truth to people, but I am not convinced you have it. I also ask, what is accomplished when you are successful in turning someone to the same animosity you posses? You simply extinguish the light of hope someone once had and pull them into the darkness of the world. The world has no real solution for it's problems. It is a painful meat grinder. There is no hope with this society of mankind independent of God. Christians find working solutions to the worlds problems in the teachings of Jesus as well as hope. You may find satisfaction in your hate and anger toward the Bible, or even in the idea that you could be right. Christians are happy. And I wouldn't trade that for what you have. Also, I am convinced you are wrong, so chew on that.

*Side note: When I mentioned the Palestinians and Jews handling the ARK I was referring to the ark of the covenant. A box that contained a golden jar of Manna, the stone tablets of the 10 commandments, and Aaron's rod that budded.
Debate Round No. 2
This round has not been posted yet.
This round has not been posted yet.
Debate Round No. 3
This round has not been posted yet.
This round has not been posted yet.
Debate Round No. 4
This round has not been posted yet.
This round has not been posted yet.
Debate Round No. 5
16 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@dukeofpanda - Absolutely not am I going to continue this debate with you especially when you got caught red-handed with a super massive hypocritical contradiction that in no possible way can you weasel yourself out of. AND you invented the excuse that christians are not bound to the Mosaic Law in which you 100% are and you cannot twist and turn yourself out of that one. The video of Matt Dillahunty and the Atheist Debates presented also proves it. AND you believe you should die if you curse at your parents which is truly hideous. That was all in ONE RD. I prefer to converse with those that are intelligent and educated and knows what they are talking about and can back up what they say with solid evidence.
Posted by dukeofpanda 3 years ago
dukeofpanda
You really aren't going to continue? It saddens me that you lack the mental fortitude to finish a debate. I thought there was a possibility your nerve and ability for debate was stronger than this. If it ends like this you will have come across as 5 year old child throwing a tantrum when they don't get their way.
Posted by 32doni32nido32 3 years ago
32doni32nido32
@backwardseden

Just a question. Is your name meant to be divided like "backwards" and "eden" or "backward" and "seden"?
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@TouchtheSky - I'm not wrong on any detail considering the fact that you think its just for your god to kill those who are completely innocent when they curse at their parents or for god to kill the innocent simply because they do not wish to worship this unproved god of yours or because you justify your god's killings for whatever reason such as blaspheme, adultery, and those who knows how many he suffocated in the great flood in which never happened. Its not my fault that you are completely brainwashed and gullible that would believe in anything you were told. That's yours.
Posted by TouchtheSky 3 years ago
TouchtheSky
Backwardseden, you're wrong on several key details. God's laws don't condemn 'half of America' to die- they condemn ALL of America to die, as well as all of the rest of the world (Psalm 14:1-3, Romans 3). One of the center points of the Bible rests on the idea that no one can get to heaven on their own. However, the beauty of the gospel is that we don't have to face that death because Jesus faced it for us (John 3:16). There is no longer any condemnation, because nothing, not even the death we deserve, can separate us from him (Romans 8).

So, yeah, there's a lot of people that God wants to punish. I would disagree with the use of the word 'murder', because, after all, just punishment and murder are not the same thing. You wouldn't want a police to look at a criminal and say that 'I'm kind and I don't want to hurt you, so you can go free and have a lollipop'. This wouldn't be just, and it would put many people in danger.
Posted by SHARINGISCARINGg 3 years ago
SHARINGISCARINGg
Face it @backwardseden. I have disproved EVERYTHING you have EVER said. You can not come up with your own excuses. You keep using the same ones over and over again. You have no idea what you are saying. All you can do is insult other people. No matter what you do, I have given you the answer. And yet you keep asking. If I told you that George Washington died, you would ask the VERY NEXT DAY, "Did George Washington die?" If you can't even come up with arguments against my answers, then why are you fighting? You know you are wrong. Give up. You can not win this fight. It's beyond you. Just accept that God exists, because despite what you think, HE LOVES YOU. He loves everyone. And right now, He is the only one that loves you.
Posted by SHARINGISCARINGg 3 years ago
SHARINGISCARINGg
And one thing. @backwardseden, if you are gonna keep posting these arguments, you need to choose a side. Do you not believe in God and you just want to disprove Him? Or do you believe in God and you just hate Him? Because for this debate, just looking at the title, means you believe in God, and you just hate Him. And to that you will probably say something like, "blah blah blah, No one would ever believe in your God, which no one has ever proved exists in the first place." But oh, I have proven Him, you need to actually look at what I'm writing. No one has disproved my statements about God existing. And when I show them to you, you can't disprove them either, you just decide to get angry instead.
Posted by SHARINGISCARINGg 3 years ago
SHARINGISCARINGg
Hey backwardseden, how many times have i told you the difference between the Old and New Testament? A LOT. The Old Testament laws are meant for people in the Old Testament. We should still follow them, but we should not be the ones to judge/punish others for the bad things that they do. Our job is "Love the Lord your God," and "Love your neighbor as yourself." You keep putting the same arguments out here, and I keep disproving them over and over again. If you can't come up with anything that actually disproves God or makes Him look bad, then why are you here? I know you won't answer that question, but I'm sure some people will at least answer that for themselves.
Posted by master-de-baiter 3 years ago
master-de-baiter
and sweden already lost by insulding people beyond belif(pun intended)
Posted by dukeofpanda 3 years ago
dukeofpanda
I know you are very passionate and committed to your viewpoints. You have conviction, which is good, but it can rub people another way. So, I want to apologize if I was less than cordial in any of our previous encounters and I hope we can have a civil discussion this time around despite our differences in opinion.
This debate has 4 more rounds before the voting begins. If you want to receive email updates for this debate, click the Add to My Favorites link at the top of the page.

By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use.