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Will Donald Trump be a good President?

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Started: 1/27/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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Donald Trump will be a good President.

I’m a policy debater so I have experience with this sort of thing.

Fiat the actions of Trump below.
There was no impact to Trump's inauguration.

Advantage 1: US Allies

Trump is fully committed to our allies and they know it. He may take a significantly more hawkish line toward China than Beijing expects. Although Japan and South Korea will be respectfully asked to do more, there is no question of Trump’s commitment to America’s Asian alliances as bedrocks of stability in the region. He spoke with Japan’s Abe, telling him he looked forward to strengthening the “special relationship.” He chatted with South Korean President Park. Trump said he agreed with her “100 percent.” Status quo strategic ambiguity make proliferation more likely because Asian allies are losing trust in the US nuclear umbrella now because of President Obama, Trump restores confidence in our commitment by demonstrating we are willing to back Taiwan against powers like China – this is uniquely key in the context of threats like North Korea’s nuclear weapons – Trump is the only way to prevent proliferation that is already occurring now because of Obama. Trump is the sole protector of America’s allies- the Obama administration has almost completely abandoned Israel and Japan against threats like ISIS and China. Only Trump’s increased commitments ensure stability in our alliances.

Advantage 2: ISIS

ISIS is responsible for over 90,000 deaths in the middle east since 2015 and they continue to grow stronger. Peace through strength will be at the center of Trump’s foreign policy. We will achieve a stable, peaceful world with less conflict and more common ground. He will work with our Arab allies and friends in the Middle East in the fight against ISIS. He will pursue aggressive joint and coalition military operations to crush and destroy ISIS, international cooperation to cutoff their funding, expand intelligence sharing, and cyberwarfare to disrupt and disable their propaganda and recruiting. Defeat the ideology of radical Islamic terrorism just as we won the Cold War. He will establish new screening procedures and enforce our immigration laws to keep terrorists out of the United States, and suspend, on a temporary basis, immigration from some of the most dangerous and volatile regions of the world that have a history of exporting terrorism. This will push ISIS into a corner from which there is no escape. Trump is the only way to defeat ISIS.

Advantage 3: Russia

Trump is key to US-Russia relations- Putin agrees

Trump sees Putin, as an admirable strongman who shares America's interest in destroying ISIS and could be a partner. He and Putin should be able to come to terms on Syria, Ukraine, and other issues of mutual concern. Putin, has said that US-Russia relations would improve in a Trump presidency. We should welcome this in order to ensure the safety of the world order. Strong Relations solve nuclear war and turn every impact for the Aff side. No other U.S. relationship is more vital. Russia matters a great deal Russia’s potential as a spoiler is difficult to exaggerate. Consider what a Russian president intent on frustrating U.S. international objectives could do. A malevolent Russia could swiftly wipe out the world. Trump solves.

Advantage 4: The Economy

During the campaign, corporate tax reform was one of Trump's central themes. The current U.S. corporate rate of 35 percent is the highest across the developed economies. Another critical priority is to provide relief to U.S.-based companies with profits exceeding $3 trillion held outside the country. Some bipartisan support exists for a one-time reduction in the applicable rate that would be applied to any capital repatriated to the United States. If successful, it would be a positive development for these companies and the U.S. economy, which could benefit from the influx of capital.

We also expect some changes to individual income and estate-tax policy. A reduction in marginal tax rates has long been expected and is a likely component of the broader package, the details of which are still unclear. The Trump administration's broad goal of lowering taxes is clear. This would benefit small and large businesses and support the weak economy. Trump will be very beneficial to this part of the US Economy.

Trump is not racist. He only said a few horrible statements about women and Muslims, but other presidents have been far worse- Bill Clinton carried out numerous affairs in office. The role of the ballot is to vote based on policy. Clearly, such practices hinder the development of a collaborative learning project and may unalterably affect individual student’s willingness to take further risks, causing some to retreat into silence as a protective measure. In fact, numerous researchers have reported that concerns about being labeled ‘racist’ have resulted in a culture of fear, which can permanently damage society. Don’t stoop that low.

God bless America and Make It Great Again.



I will be willing to stand behind Donald trump as president of the country, but that doesn't mean i agree with all of his views and actions, while i do agree with some, most of them i disagree with.

Here are some of the reasons while i believe Donald Trump would not be an amazing system

Disadvantage 1: Foreign Relations

While he has more balls than 99 percent of American politicians (I'll give him that) he doesn't have the calm, collected traits needed to deal with other countries. What I mean is we need a good tempered, wise, level-headed person to make fair but beneficial deals with other countries, and ones that will not damage our relations with other nations. (and not launch missiles into foreign countries at the slightest provocation.) Like his scheme to build a wall across the Mexican border, he claims it will help reduce illegal immigration and slow down the flow of drugs and crime coming into the United states, but he really hasn't thought it all out. This is because not only do most of the immigrants from Mexico come into the country by PLANE, and not by car, but statistics show more Mexicans have actually left the United States in the last five years than have come into the country. Lastly, by making hispanics feel victimized and unwelcome, we are criminalizing the race that makes up the majority of our blue collar, working class jobs. What will that do to our economy?

On top of that, even though Trump would never admit it, we are heavily reliant upon China. America's decadent, materialistic way of life relies heavily on Chinese Industry and over 75 percent of our manufactured goods come from china, if China decided to stop giving us goods because of trump's aggressiveness towards them, we would not be able to receive many manufactured goods which are now in abundance. (While i do agree with Trump's plan to bring industry back to America, we still need to realize how reliant we are on China.)

Disadvantage 2: Economy

While to many angry at Obama's laziness and inability to make real change, Trump's plan to lower business tax to increase the amount of small businesses sounds great. But i truly believe trump doesn't realize how powerful the large businesses already are, and decreasing the business tax would only lead to the increased power of the large businesses, leading to small businesses getting crushed even more, the complete opposite of what Trump says what will happen. The businesses already dominate america enough, ensnaring people with their flashy lights and low-quality products. Their power should be as limited as possible, and letting them run even freer will lead to even more problems for america. We should allow the state to regulate the economy more, but do so fairly. Putting more regulations on businesses and even creating some state-owned businesses or farms.

Disadvantage 3: His Personal beliefs

While i agree with you that it is extremely annoying to constantly be hearing tons of people whining, "trump is a racist sexist Jerk!" With minimal evidence and tons of left-wing created propaganda. (I am a marxist, not an american left-winger, there is a big difference. I am nauseated by the pettiness and ineffectiveness of the American left wing) But we also need to realize that just because other presidents such as bill clinton or John F. Kennedy had a history of being less than completely respectful toward women, it still doesn't make it right for Trump to say the things he has said about Women, or to humiliate and ridicule people who disagree with him. As i said before, it is the job of the president to be decisive and firm, yet kind and fair, "with malaise toward none and with charity toward all." as Abraham lincoln would say. In the opinion of many including me, Trump is not a fair person with an equal love for all the american people, he still follows certain outdated, unfair stereotypes toward certain minorities such as hispanics and Muslims. I am not saying he is racist, but he certainly has some very unfair, highly stereotypical views toward certain people. This is not even mentioning his views toward women. I do not consider him to be someone who appreciates the role of women in society, or even appreciates women in general . He has been married three times and is currently married to a Slovenian barbie doll twenty five years younger than him. He has said little about his divorces, but i'm guessing he just got bored of playtime and wanted to move on to a fresher, younger, hotter woman.

Im not saying i hate him, because i don't. I also don't disagree with all of his policies or beliefs, I just believe there are several factors and traits that will keep him from being a good president.

Debate Round No. 1


Refer to speeches as: 1st Affirmative Constructive-1NC-2AC-2NC-1AR-1st Negative Rebuttal-2AR-2NR. This is the 2AC.

No new arguments in the rebuttals. Extending arguments is reiterating what you previously have said.

I am glad to be going against someone who will give me a good debate, not just a SJW intent on calling me racist. I appreciate that you accept he is your president. Thanks.

Ad. 1: US Allies

You conceded the entire Allies Adv. in the 1NC. Extend Trump is committed to our allies, they agree, Squo Strategic Ambiguity leads to an Asian arms race (prolif) which leads to a nuclear war. Extend Trump solves prolif and relations.

Ad. 2: ISIS

You also dropped the ISIS adv. in the 1NC. Extend that ISIS is growing stronger, biggest threat to the west, and that Trump solves because of peace through strength, working with our arab allies, immigration reform, and an aggressive military campaign to destroy them. Trump solves.

Ad. 3: Russia

You conceded the Russia Adv. in the 1NC. Extend Russia key to US relations and world stability and that Trump solves, Putin agrees w/ Trump, Relations spill over to alternate causes, and that a malevolent Russia could destroy the world with Nukes.

Ad. 4/DA: The Economy

You conceded that his tax plan works better for small businesses and that he helps the US economy and stock market because of his policies. Yes, large businesses have become powerful, but because of their lobbying capabilities. Earlier today, Trump signed an executive order banning lobbying for 5 years. That means I access your lobbying impact because Trump just solved for the power of big business. Also, big business helps the economy because it provides millions of jobs and gives more power and capital to the people, reducing the size and regulation of the government. Trump Solves.

DA: Foreign Relations

Trump’s well-educated approach to foreign policy is “America First.” The reason this has no impact is because everyone else’s policy is “Themselves First.” He will focus on the US more than being the world police. This is good because it gives room for countries to have their own policies and decision-making processes.


No one is stopping the illegals from getting out of this country. They just walk up to a border patrol agent and say they want to go back or board a plane for their respective city. Sure, some fly into this country and ‘magically’ get through customs but all the drug flow will stop. Could you get opium across the desert? Yes. Could you get it through security on to a plane and then into the most secure country in the world? No. You said that they make up the blue collar working class, but this turns your DA: Decades of record immigration have produced lower wages and higher unemployment for our citizens, especially for African-American and Latino workers. When the supply of workers goes up due to illegal immigrants who are willing to work for a lower wage, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down and overall wages decrease drastically.

DA: Personal Beliefs

What if Trump is a racist? So what? Racism is bad but it has no effect on the outcome of his policies. He will be either a good or bad president- just because he says mean things does not mean he isn’t capable of running this country.

Role of the Ballot:

I agree that white supremacy and racism is bad – but debate is a poor forum and should be used for policy-making- his interpretation is arbitrary and crushes pro ground. Thus, the role of the ballot should be to compare Trump versus the status quo or competitive alternative (Obama). His Marxism framework fosters irrational cost-benefit analysis by forcing the pro to compare itself to normative statements that are impossible to challenge. The sole purpose of the ballot is for the judge to decide the truth value of the resolutional question.

Also, Why Marxism Inevitably Fails:

Communism killed 94 million in the 20th century. Communism, attempted without the infinite capacity and infinite hope that comes from working with and for the infinite God, becomes a mere movement of man, which is imperfect, selfish, and self-rewarding. It removes incentives for work because of the govt. control. The failed Marxist experiments involved human schemes to prohibit “anti-social behavior” and enforce codified “kindness” supported by informants and intimidation; they enforced a spirit-killing, drive-killing acquiescence but offered no hope for real communism. Action compelled by government can never transcend itself, because the person has nothing to draw on from within, or look to from without. The state, man-made, cannot embody the greatness the communist promises. All states, all governments, eventually fall into tyranny (eg. NK, China, USSR, Cambodia) or collapse beneath the weight of corruption, for no human being is all-good, and where humanity “may” fail, it eventually will. Capitalism is inevitable – it is the only system that is capable of running the industrial world.

God Bless & MAGA!



Ok, you win. You have supplied me with sufficient evidence to prove your point, and have caused me to believe your point.

But i do not agree with your belief that marxism will inevitably fail
Debate Round No. 2


Good debate Avelvetnightmare. I'm impressed that I swayed your opinion. Would you like to have future debates on Capitalism vs Marxism? I would greatly enjoy that and I believe that would be a good challenge for both of us. Thanks, and God Bless America.


Thank you, I thoroughly enjoyed this debate. In the future i would love to have a capitalism vs. marxism/communism debate.

Goodbye comrades,
Debate Round No. 3


Great. I'm looking forward to them. Keep filling out arguments so we can end this.
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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by WalkerMcPhail 1 year ago
Sorry for the spacing error in the 2AC.
Posted by CosmoJarvis 1 year ago
Pro supplies a fair amount of points, but none that explain how Trump is the answer. The explanation for how Trump can combat ISIS is " immigration laws to keep terrorists out of the United States," and explain that somehow that will push ISIS in a corner. Whether we tighten immigration laws or not, ISIS will still be no less weaker. We'd only be rejecting refugees who have been caught in this violence.
Posted by CosmoJarvis 1 year ago
Pro supplies a fair amount of points, but none that explain how Trump is the answer. The explanation for how Trump can combat ISIS is " immigration laws to keep terrorists out of the United States," and explain that somehow that will push ISIS in a corner. Whether we tighten immigration laws or not, ISIS will still be no less weaker. We'd only be rejecting refugees who have been caught in this violence.
Posted by CosmoJarvis 1 year ago
Pro supplies a fair amount of points, but none that explain how Trump is the answer. The explanation for how Trump can combat ISIS is " immigration laws to keep terrorists out of the United States," and explain that somehow that will push ISIS in a corner. Whether we tighten immigration laws or not, ISIS will still be no less weaker. We'd only be rejecting refugees who have been caught in this violence.
Posted by CosmoJarvis 1 year ago
Pro supplies a fair amount of points, but none that explain how Trump is the answer. The explanation for how Trump can combat ISIS is " immigration laws to keep terrorists out of the United States," and explain that somehow that will push ISIS in a corner. Whether we tighten immigration laws or not, ISIS will still be no less weaker. We'd only be rejecting refugees who have been caught in this violence.
Posted by CosmoJarvis 1 year ago
Avelvetnightmare, if Donald Trump is such a bad businessman, how can you explain his great businesses? Hell, he's made a lot like Trump St- I mean Trump Vodka. Wait, no no, I, mean Trump Magazi- Sorry, I meant to say Trump Luxury Airlin- No, wait. I mean Trump Colleg-

Trump has made a fair amount of businesses on his own, but many have failed to actually be successful. In fact, a fair amount have closed down in a matter of a few years, but that's not surprising seeing as Trump Grill has gotten over 50 health code violations such as serving a five-month-old duck. "Trump quality." His money comes from licensing his name to other companies, and from Fred Trump's Real Estate business. He's not much of a "Successful American Businessman" that many Trump supporters see him as.
Posted by ILikePie5 1 year ago
God Bless y'all and God Bless Donald J. Trump!
Posted by Forthelulz 1 year ago
Can I argue with "No, Trump will not be a good President; he will be a GREAT President"?
Posted by agenttim2002 1 year ago
I totally agree with your points. #MAGA!
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