The Instigator
abbitha
Pro (for)
The Contender
asta
Con (against)

Women have the right to get an abortion

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Started: 7/3/2018 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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abbitha

Pro

Abortion's are things that women get when they are either not ready, no in the right place, or don't want to put their bodies through the toll of having a child. No one can tell a women if she wants to have a baby or not, and therefore should chose what she wants to do. A child is a big responsibility that not all people want to have, and giving birth to a child puts a huge toll on a woman's body that she may not want to go through. Deciding whether or not to have a child (which is based on many different factors) should one a woman's and only that woman's choice.
asta

Con

1) "Abortion's are things that women get when they are either not ready, no in the right place, or don't want to put their bodies through the toll of having a child." If they aren't ready for a child then they don't have sex. Sex may feel good, but rape also feels good to a rapist. That doesn't mean they should do it. Just because something feels good does not jstify having the sex. Even though sex feels good, it does not justify killing the unborn child that comes as a result of it.

2) "No one can tell a women if she wants to have a baby or not, and therefore should chose what she wants to do." Read argument #1.

3) "Deciding whether or not to have a child (which is based on many different factors) should one a woman's and only that woman's choice." Read argument 1 and the reasons that I believe I should add here. Science has confirmed that a fetus is a human being. A fetus has all the nessesary chromosomes to be alive and they meet all the nessesary criteria for life. A fetus is therefore a human being. If a woman does not want the child, she can set the kid up for adoption.

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Debate Round No. 1
abbitha

Pro

A lot of the disagreements that occur between both sides in this matter stem from one question; when should the fetus be considered a child? In my opinion, it is when the child's fully formed with all of it's organs and can live outside of their mother's womb. This is at 24 weeks. Before 24 weeks, the fetus is just a bunch of cells. Women should be allowed to receive an abortion before that time since there isn't any fully formed human that can live on it's own. And even after that point, a woman should be allowed to decide for herself what she wants to do with her body, that is not something anyone can make for her. On your point about not having sex if you do not want to endure the 'consequences', people shouldn't restrict themselves from doing what they want because of a hypothetical. Very few woman have an easy time deciding whether or not to get an abortion. It is a hard decision, but the decision is always made for what is best for both parties.
asta

Con

" when should the fetus be considered a child?" Because they have all the necessary chromosomes to be a human being. A fetus should be a child when they have all the necessary chromosomes to be so. Chromosomes separate humans from non humans. "Before 24 weeks, the fetus is just a bunch of cells." You're technically a bundle of cells if you think about it. This does not disqualify you from being human. It also does not disqualify a fetus from achieving human status.


"people shouldn't restrict themselves from doing what they want because of a hypothetical." It's not a hypothetical. A hypothetical is something that does not exist and is not designed to. Pregnancy is a possibility.


"Very few woman have an easy time deciding whether or not to get an abortion." The decision could be simple. No abortions allowed. If abortion was illegal, the choice would be much simpler and the abortion rate would decrease, which is what both the left and the right want to accomplish.


There is no guarantee that it’s the best decision for both parties and how could it be that way if one of the parties dies non consensually?


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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
Its not the laws so much as the hedonist arrogant attitude that views unborn baby as therefore none human and consequently under the same rules an inanimate wood or worse slaves.
Posted by asta 3 years ago
asta
"laws have never stopped abortions, or even reduced them" Laws also don't stop rape and stealing completely. That doesn't mean they should be illegal.

Whenever anything is illegal, it reduces the prevalence of the action more then if it were legal (in a vacuum).

The reason why there is "no correlation" between the legality of abortion and it's prevalence is because of conception control, which the pro life countries tend to not promote as much. I support the right to conception control R&D. I am also pro life and want abortion to be classified as murder.
Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
Woe vs. Wade ... unborn babies are property just like slaves.
Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
asta
To reduce the number of abortions and the number of maternal death. laws have never stopped abortions, or even reduced them. A recent study by the World Health Organization and the Guttmacher Institute found that overall abortion rates in the world are similar, regardless of whether abortion is illegal in a country or not. In other words, restrictive abortion laws are not associated with a low abortion rate. In fact, in countries where abortion is widely available " including Canada " there has typically been a decline in abortion rates over time, especially when contraception use rises.
Posted by asta 3 years ago
asta
@missmedic

Why would they make abortion legal?
Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
Bunk. Roe vs. Wade ... other than this travesty grotesque ruling nothing. Nu missy quote a Common Law ruling from the British courts? LOL Parliament not the courts determine the Constitution of England.
Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
It is impossible for two beings in the same body to both enjoy rights, under both English Common Law and U.S. law, the fetus has not been recognized as a person with full rights. The Supreme Court ruled that a woman has a constitutionally guaranteed unqualified right to abortion in the first trimester of her pregnancy.
Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
Usurp ... utter none sense. Respect of the Constitutional Rights of all US citizens.
Posted by asta 3 years ago
asta
Yes. It's better than vice versa since the woman only loses pain from something she consensualy created (in most instances) where the alternative would be a dead fetal life.
Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
So you want to usurp the rights of women to protect the rights of the unborn?
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