Women should register for the selective service
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Voting Style: | Open | Point System: | 7 Point | ||
Started: | 2/18/2008 | Category: | Politics | ||
Updated: | 14 years ago | Status: | Voting Period | ||
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In an age of feministic views I believe that if women wish to be treated with more respect and looked upon as purely equal then another responsibility they should take is to register with the Selective Service when they turn 18. I believe fully in feminism. It is wrong to pay women less in the work place because they do not have a penis, yet they should also have to carry the same responsibilities as men. This should go for men as well of course.
I rarely do this sort of thing, but I had qualms with your resolution, so here goes. Your resolution states that "Women should register for the selective service." Let me point out a few things before I get to my main point. When a statement such as the above is made, it is a statement about something that should change given that everything else stays the same. If I made a resolution "Taxes should be lowered," I could not argue that I meant that "Taxes should be lowered only if a law is first passed to increase taxes 100%." It is obvious that I cannot mean the latter statement, since it requires another change to make it valid. Thus, Pro is advocating that women, in society as it is now, should go out and register for Selective Service at age 18, just like guys do. Now, to my main point. Women are not even ALLOWED to register for selective service. I direct you here: https://www.sss.gov... Look at the note in the Sex box: "Current law does not permit females to register." Thus, for pro to even POSSIBLY be making a favorable assertion, new legislation would first have to be passed. Since this new legislation was neither part of my opponents resolution nor his opening statements, his stance cannot yet be a valid one, since he is urging females to do the impossible. |
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Thank you for pointing those things out. Let me rephrase then. Females should be made by law to register for the Selective Service at the age of 18 or face the same consequences males face when they do not comply.
Even though I hold that I won in round 1, I will entertain my opponent and the voters with some argumentation. First, I will establish that even though there may be some sentiments to the contrary, women and men are not equal. They do not, nor should they, bear teh same burdens. I'll first bring up birthing. When a man and a woman have a child, there is an unevenly massive burden on the female. This is a fact, it is not some form of oppression. It is undeniable proof that the sexes cannot have equal burdens. You speak in favor of equal burdens for men and women, but this is not possible. Consider the consequences. If all society-imposed burdens and rights, such as joining the military or being able to vote, are equal, females unfairly have a bigger burden based solely on the fact that they are female. Not forcing women into selective service is currently a way of at least partially equalizing this burden. Second, it is not practical to have women in the selective service. In general, which is the scale my opponent seeks to apply his advocacy, women are not as capable of being soldiers, both physically and mentally. Women are more frail both physically and mentally, and are much less likely to succeed as combatant soldiers. Simple, you might think, perhaps we can just give them the noncombatant roles. This makes no sense, since if we ever had a draft again, it wouldn't be noncombatant forces we'd need to replenish, since they don't exactly diminish quite as fast. So first, it's unfair, since it's an equalizer for childbirth, and second, it's impractical, since women are much less likely to suit the roles the military would need to replenish with selective service. |
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BenjamminL04 forfeited this round.
I don't really have anything else to say. My points still stand, since my opponent didn't address them. |
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His qualms were aimed at the women who don't register, not at the government. He wasn't saying that the government should make new policies, he was saying that the women should register. This is why he cannot be right. Women shouldn't register for selective service... because they can't.
I realize it's a technicality, which is why I didn't leave it at that, I argued in round 2. However, my opponent did not contend any of my points. How then, can you say he did a better job in the debate? Because you think I'm wrong? I certainly didn't debate worse than him. I addressed all of his points, he addressed none of mine.
Also, if men already have such a tough time dealing with war (as you stated), would not the generally frailer women be even worse off? Why would we do that? People should stick to what they're good at, and women aren't good at being soldiers. Those who are are the exception, not the rule.
Also, please, don't act like it's just as tough being a father during pregnancy as it is being the mother. Whatever you do for your wife is _not an obligation_. It's something you choose to do. It's not something that is forced upon you, a burden you have no choice to bear. In fact, many women don't even have a nice guy like yourself to help them through this tough time.
Also, I only said I "won" in round one because I didn't want people to think that I was abandoning my round 1 position when I continued the argument in another direction. I still hold that position, I simply added another separate argument. Neither of them were criticized by my opponent. Yet there are still those who vote simply based on their own feelings.
I don't feel I should be forced to serve a country that I don't agree with, BUT if I do, then so should that woman stitting in the office cubicle next to me making the same pay as I.
Calm down and be more quick to your point. And don't ever say you "win" a round. You look like an arse.
who? Yo mamma!!
Bottom line, men and woman are different. Women nurture. Men Protect. Its in our DNA. Don't deny your manhood. I know that's hard for some.
Watch out for proof. I heard he's a flaming pole smoker;)
9 months, yes that's right!!
Apparently you don't have a child, so don't you even begin to tell me what it's like for a father during childbirth!!
Oh, and FYI, she was in labor for 47 hours. Approx. 36 of those she sleep due to them yummy drugs they get. Know how much I sleep???
ZERO!!!!
Because I had to deal with MY son's heart rate up and down or not there at all.
Round one? You did not win. He was stating that they should have to register. If that implies some congressional move then that's what it meant.
I voted for him because I think your argument no way supported your theory nor any realistic common sense.
The point is, both sexes do not have the same burdens by nature, so the best we can do is even the scales.
Also, please don't vote based on your own view. Vote based on the arguments. There is absolutely NO way you can vote for my opponent based on the debating. This is simply ridiculous. Not only did I win in round 1 on a technicality, but then I made an argument and my opponent didn't argue against it.
This is the cancer that is killing debate.org