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Started: 7/16/2018 Category: Religion
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mosc

Pro

So you present yourself as a totally pissed off person and an anti social who hates the bible translations. As an American I assume you speak only one language. What I would like to know, did your father abuse you sexually that has made you so militant?

Why are you such an angry person, and why do you need to expose your anger issues like a flasher exposes his nakedness?
WisdomOfAges

Con

How utterly ...ABSURD....any intelligent human can see clearly YOUR idiotic intention...like MOST of the mentally MOLESTED and HYPNOTIZED Jesus/Bible/Church Dogma sheeple drones...YOU are incapable of thinking and reasoning WITHOUT resorting to AGGRESSION and CONDEMNATION against ALL who do not agree and accept the HORRIFICALLY OBSOLETE
mind melting Jesus/Bible/Church ....garbage fused into your neural network...

YOUR BRAIN is supersaturated with this idiotic SPIN of other GOD inventions in the Middle East Region..most of which have been relegated to MYTHOLOGY...

No one refers to the GODS of Egypt...Assyrian...Mesopotamian...all in this region who created advanced Civilizations with Architecture...Language...Writing....Art...Science +++ but NO..only the GOD/s of hopelessly ILLITERATE RUNAWAY TRIBAL LUNATICS really matter...who built NOTHING..who innovated NOTHING..just stole and constructed their own SPIN on other GODS before them ..... HOW CONVENIENT....

Of all the GODS currently trending by humanity 2 are neighbors in the same area of the planet...oh, right make that 3 versions of the same GOD where ISRAEL and PALESTINE are still at WAR over property and their GOD...add the Jesus boy toy invention GOD and that makes 3 GODS all neighbors all in CONFLICT over which GOD is the REAL GOD ?

and what of CHINA and INDIA..even ABORIGINAL AUSTRALIA 4000 BC...yes stupid 4000 years before your Jesus toy shows up...all of these Cultures had their own GOD/SPIRITUAL thing going on...where was the JEW GOD of MOSES ? where was the ALLAH GOD of ISLAM ? and of course where was YOU JESUS 4000 years before him ? sad how humans have had so many GODS for thousands of years and STILL today JESUS and ALLAH are just another SPIN...of 7 billion humans they have about 3.5 billion split between them.....STILL NO GOD of GODS for all 7 billion humans that all agree and accept ?

POINT = YOu are just another slave of some Church parasite that got BETWEEN YOUR EARS...good for YOU go drown in your Bible Comic Book verse vomit....and Religious DOGMA...

NO HUMAN EVER needs to be approved and validated to EXIST...to THINK..to CHOOSE...and even HOW TO EXIST...especially by mind molesting PARASITE CLOWNS in Halloween Glory Gowns..who act and play GOD but themselves sit on a toilet, grow old, and DIE like all mortal humans do...what a disgrace to any sentient being...to subjugate the MIND
into some dumbed down slave capacity to serve a non existent super entity..by order of..all things..a HUMAN..not a GOD

BIBLE ? really which version idiot ? Jehovah's Witness. Latter Day. 7th Day. Coptic, New World. old world, dead world,
it just goes on and on along with so many different CHURCH organizations...even YOUR JESUS would pass out over the utter insanity of it all...and NONE of these idiot so called CHRISTIANS agree on anything other than what was STUFFED into their BRAIN...and hypnotized to believe and DEFEND even to DEATH...= RETARDED...

HEALTH and WELLBEING do NOT require reading, remembering, reciting Bible verse vomit...sadly this thing has become a TOOL to infest the mind and become a WEAPON to attack those who do not go along with some idiotic version of it...

Oh, right don't forget to tell WILLIAM TYNDALE..the Scholar that translated the HEBREW /GREEK Bible versions into ENGLISH...and for doing so the all to WONDERFUL Roman Catholic Church psychopaths ordered his EXECUTION...

In 1536 long before you were hatched FOOL...William Tyndale was STRANGLED and BURNT at the STAKE..for his work
...and the crowd of church sheeple drones CHEERED....disgusting...then a few decades later the CHURCH used most of his translation to invent the King James Bible version..of course with a few TWISTS to serve CHURCH interests...what say YOUR JESUS to Tyndale's MURDER in his name ? did your JESUS murder anyone who did not accept him ? well the CHURCH sure did....and what of KING JAMES why the HELL does some Aristocrat LUNATIC have his name on the WORD of GOD text ?

No fool YOU have no valid argument..if YOU use this Comic Book to EXIST...fine..but to use it against anyone for any reason
that results in HARM..either mental or physical...that just makes you a TERRORIST..and your JESUS spits in YOUR FACE for abusing HIM to ABUSE others...this is the POINT...

Buddhism,,,Jainism...Krishna...+++ many other GOD and NON GOD spiritualities DO NOT USE FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE to force others to convert and conform,,,only the JESUS and ALLAH GOD believers ASSIMILATE with these horrific TACTICS....These 2 GODS are nothing more than SCAPEGOATS for truly sick humans dedicated to toal MIND and LIFE control....thankfully the new YOUTH are not falling for this GARBAGE...they know the danger and utter stupidity of what HUMANS are doing with them...not the GODS...HUMANS...
Debate Round No. 1
mosc

Pro

Mr. Angry writes: "mind melting Jesus/Bible/Church ....garbage fused into your neural network..."

Hello I am Jewish.

Mr. Angry continues his rant: "No one refers to the GODS of Egypt...Assyrian...Mesopotamian...all in this region who created advanced Civilizations with Architecture...Language...Writing....Art...Science +++ but NO..only the GOD/s of hopelessly ILLITERATE RUNAWAY TRIBAL LUNATICS really matter...who built NOTHING..who innovated NOTHING..just stole and constructed their own SPIN on other GODS before them ..... HOW CONVENIENT...."

Dude do you worship a goose possessed with the holy spirit, as did the Crusaders? Chill, your communicating with a Jew who detests the Xtian bible translations.

Mr. Angry continues his rant: "the same GOD where ISRAEL and PALESTINE are still at WAR over property and their GOD". Dude the koran of the Arabs and Muslims never once - like the Xtian bible - includes the Name of the God of Israel. That religion like Xtianity worships another God. Only in 1964 did Arab propaganda embrace the Palestine charade. Silly reactionary fool.

Mr. Angry continues his rant: "and what of CHINA and INDIA..even ABORIGINAL AUSTRALIA 4000 BC...yes stupid 4000 years before your Jesus toy shows up."

Jesus son of Zeus, this mythology represents a Xtian belief system as does one god and Muhammad an Arab and Muslim belief system. You rant and rage, hello I am Jewish. Goyim never accepted the Torah revelation at Sinai. Goyim worship other Gods, including the ones which your canned anger rants and rages about.

Mr. Angry now makes a valid point one which we Jews totally agree with: "BIBLE ? really which version idiot ? Jehovah's Witness. Latter Day. 7th Day. Coptic, New World. old world, dead world,
it just goes on and on along with so many different CHURCH organizations...even YOUR JESUS would pass out over the utter insanity of it all...and NONE of these idiot so called CHRISTIANS agree on anything other than what was STUFFED into their BRAIN...and hypnotized to believe and DEFEND even to DEATH...= RETARDED..." "Oh, right don't forget to tell WILLIAM TYNDALE..the Scholar that translated the HEBREW /GREEK Bible versions into ENGLISH...and for doing so the all to WONDERFUL Roman Catholic Church psychopaths ordered his EXECUTION..."

"William Tyndale was STRANGLED and BURNT at the STAKE..for his work
...and the crowd of church sheeple drones CHEERED....disgusting...then a few decades later the CHURCH used most of his translation to invent the King James Bible version..of course with a few TWISTS to serve CHURCH interests...what say YOUR JESUS to Tyndale's MURDER in his name ? did your JESUS murder anyone who did not accept him ? well the CHURCH sure did....and what of KING JAMES why the HELL does some Aristocrat LUNATIC have his name on the WORD of GOD text ?"

OK I see you have a very valid point. You are right to be angry i concede the debate. You Win.
WisdomOfAges

Con

THE JEWS do not promote or aggressively attempt to ASSIMILATE humans into their GOD and Dogma construct...this is why there are about 15 million estimated JEWS on EARTH....meaning less compared to the Billion plus JESUS sheeple and the Billion plus Allah sheeple...the monotheistic GOD concept is obviously NOT VIABLE...this is why 3 versions of Middle East based GODs and Dogma are within a very small region of the planet...the so called GOD is irrelevant...WHY ?

At some point the JEWS backed off the Old Testament enforcement of HOW TO EXIST....the JEW does not assimilate others using FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE...the Old Testament is a psychotic blood bath....the JEW would be totally exterminated.... if they tried the assimilation of humanity GAME...using the Old Testament as it is written LITERALLY...

Nor so with the JESUS and ALLAH slavers....The Roman Church went on a RAMPAGE of DEATH and DESTRUCTION in collusion with POWERS of the time...the JEW tooka back seat and stayed under the RADAR...still they were persecuted relentlessly...

600 years after the Jesus invention MUHAMMAD has a similar meetup with a GOD like MOSES ? he was ILLITERATE and his followers came up with the KORAN...which like the Christian Bible JOKE is a spin from people who added their perspective...their are NO TRACEABLE ORIGINAL WORDS OF GOD IN WRITING BY MUHAMMAD...and talk about HORRIFICALLY OBSOLETE DOGMA
who does it better than the early Roman Catholic Church...the KORAN is as insane as the Old Testament with HOW a BELIEVER MUST EXIST and OBEY as it is written....

Where is GOD in all this stupidity of DEATH and DESTRUCTION...the JEW is not ranting on the world stage about their GOD

The Christian and Muslim want to assimilate all humanity and EXTERMINATE the JEW issue.....just ask your ISRAEL Neighbors in the Middle East....all of it os so OBSOLETE and unnecessary for a HEALTHY existence...

As mentioned Buddhist...Krishna....+++ do not obsess on ruling humanity with retarded DOGMA...that requires PUNISHMENT and SUFFERING by the hands of others....

The Middle East JEW also worshipped many GODS and DEITIES before implementing a 1 GOD ONLY construct...

If the GOD/SPIRITUAL pursuit does not FORCE or HARM but inspires and encourages OPEN MINDED thinking and LIVING without the FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE fused into the Gogma/ideology...then like Buddhism...so what ...do as you see fit for your well being...

The JESUS and ALLAH assimilation for power and control is a GAME of THRONES tactic...the JESUS side is totally fractured..
anything GOES to assimilate sheeple..just look at Jim Bakker..Jimmy Swaggart...Benny Hinn..with Rock Concert style gatherings for PROFIT...

And the ALLAH assimilation GAME is BY THE BOOK..all who do not OBEY are subject to execution-torture-+++ like a CONCENTRATION CAMP...in the name of their GOD... if ALLAH takes over ISRAEL would be leveled..all technology would be trashed..and the coast line would be a TENT CITY ...of LUNATICS praying 5 times a day...and wanting to do the same to the whole of humanity...

Bible-GOD-Religion ? who cares....if you do then drown in it....NEVER HARM OVER ANY OF IT...this makes the GOD nothing more than a pathetic scapegoat for POWER and CONTROL...

All the GODS of past Civilizations...relegated to MYTHOLOGY...not so with the Middle east 3 that are trending...and the others in INDIA-CHINA-++ what of their GODS ? both were ATTACKED by the MUSLIM over the ages..not the JEW...

This insanity must be NEUTRALIZED....thankfully the new generations are aware and not falling for the stagecraft it is so so
HORRIFICALLY OBSOLETE....and DANGEROUS...no human EVER needs to be validated by another HUMAN to EXIST....

and this is what the GOD Dogma allows..the pathetic psychopath human the opportunity to PLAY GOD....

The Bible-Koran ? just another Comic Book with HEROES and VILLAINS...MURDER over it ? NO WAY...that is CRIMINAL
Debate Round No. 2
mosc

Pro

My opponent, whose opinion once you get past his serious anger issues, agrees with my soul. This gentleman writes:

"the monotheistic GOD concept is obviously NOT VIABLE". Sir, according to the revelation of the Torah at Sinai, which neither the Church or the Mosque accepted, the 2nd commandment rejects this absurd notion of Monotheism The commandment: do not worship other Gods. Now if only one God lives, why the necessity to command do not worship other Gods? Hence, the revelation of Sinai - which Goyim have never accepted - in fact acknowledges that other God live and thrive. Only that Israel - which accepted the Revelation of the Torah at Sinai - not worship any other God, except the God who warred against the Gods of Egypt and prevailed, therein permitting the slaves of Egypt to inform Par'o and Egypt, more than that ... Par'o and Egypt pleaded with Israel that these once slaves of Par'o leave Egypt.

The conclusion made by my opponent, whose opinion of other Gods totally agrees with the Torah, an erroneous conclusion. He writes: "this is why 3 versions of Middle East based GODs and Dogma are within a very small region of the planet...the so called GOD is irrelevant...WHY " Bunk. Neither the Church or the Mosque accepted the Torah revelation of Sinai. Both alien and foreign religions worship other Gods. Now does my opponent agree that other Gods live? If so then please do not group the God of Israel together with the Gods worshiped by Xtians and towel headed sand niggers!

My opponent writes: "At some point the JEWS backed off the Old Testament enforcement of HOW TO EXIST....the JEW does not assimilate others using FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE"

Sir the term "Old Testament" that's a Xtian term. The Xtian Bible: Old Testament and New Testament: never once includes the Name of the God of Israel who delivered my people from Egyptian slavery. This omission violates the First Commandment of Sinai. Proof that the Xtian Bible worships another God or set of Gods alien to the Torah faith. You have come forth and emphatically testified that other Gods live besides the Gods worshiped by the church and the mosque. The Gods which Goyim Xtians, Arabs, and Muslims worship - - other Gods. Please respect your own opening argument.

My opponent writes: "the Old Testament is a psychotic blood bath" Bunk. This man confuses the God of Israel with the Gods worshiped by the church and mosque. The T'NaCH literature includes the Torah/the Constitution of the Republic of the Israelite nation. Prophets. How does the Torah define this term? A prophet learns from Moshe the law giver. Moshe the prophet commanded 611 commandments in the Name of HaShem, the God of Israel. What defines all of these commandments? Commandments teach mussar. My opponent does not know what mussar means because he knows nothing about the T'NaCH faith. In point of fact, my opponent worships other Gods which I in my turn know nothing about.

My opponent reveals the ignorance of his pathetic addiction to the christian bible trash. He writes: "using the Old Testament as it is written LITERALLY..."

Utterly absurd! The Torah as the Constitution of the Republic ... no one generation makes a nation... has a unique logic system which permits all generations of Israel to interpret the intent of the Framer of our Constitution. The Books of the Prophets teach a mussar preceding and following the Great Civil War, which resulted in the total destruction of the first Commonwealth Republic of Israel. That my opponent knows nothing of the concept of g'lut/exile, requires that he should please cease and desist lumping Torah faith with the faiths worshiped by the church and the mosque.

Adam went into exile. Noach went into exile when he entered the Ark. The God of Avram informed him that his future born children would go into exile. G'lut/exile represents a fundamental basic idea of Torah faith. Moshe the prophet, for example, on the last day of his life taught the Mussar: I give you life and death therefore choose life. G'lut/exile represents a kind of death. Life, in this context, a thriving independent nation; death, Jews existing as stateless refugees who have no nation of their own. For over 2000 years Jews endured g'lut as stateless refugees who enjoyed little or no political or civil rights in Asia and Europe. This g'lut culminated with the Shoah, the systematic murder of 75% of European Jewry in less than 4 years.

Today, following the Israeli victory over 5 Arab armies, Jews live and rule our own nation and Arabs [which made open alliance with Hitler] exist as stateless refugees who have no country of their own. Since 1964 Arafat gave a mythical name to these Arab stateless refugees of 1948, he called them Palestinians. Goyim love to worship mythology. Virtually all worship of Gods by Goyim stand upon mythology to my limited understanding of these foreign alien religions.

My opponent now writes: "MUHAMMAD has a similar meetup with a GOD like MOSES" Bunk.

Israel received from our God the opening first 2 commandments of Sinai. Terrified for their lives they asked Moshe as their prophet to command them the rest of the Torah in the Name of the God who brought Israel out of Egyptian slavery. Muhammad by contrast received his revelation from an Angel, not the God of Israel. He received a private revelation in a cave. This Angel did not know the Name of the God of Israel - the first commandment of Sinai. The religion of Muhammad worships a completely different God.

My opponent now writes: "The Middle East JEW also worshiped many GODS and DEITIES before implementing a 1 GOD ONLY construct... "

Sir, respectfully speaking: the term Jew derives from the tribe/kingdom which the king of Bavl/Babylon took into g'lut/exile. Exile stands as one of the 2 legs of Torah faith. If the oath brit alliance my people profane ... then we go into exile. The 4th son of Yaacov, name Yechuda became the Tribe of Yechuda. The Babylonians called the people whom they took into exile Yechudim/Jews. Avoda zara has plagued my people since we accepted the Torah revelation of Sinai. Specifically the 2nd commandment, not to worship other Gods.

My opponent concludes with a statement which as stated above makes perfect rational sense. He writes:
"The Bible-Koran ? just another Comic Book with HEROES and VILLAINS...MURDER over it ? NO WAY...that is CRIMINAL"

We both agree that the BibleKoran stinks.
WisdomOfAges

Con

GOD ? they come and they go......Did Zeus and Odin..+++ thousands of others announce their departure ?

NO..when the HUMANS that invented them decided their GOD did not serve their AGENDA...these GODs were shelved...= POWERLESS/USELESS.......

This is why no one says..."in the name of ODIN or ZEUS convert or DIE" most people would laugh

GOD ? creator of billions of Galaxies and trillions of worlds...is not capable of announcing itself to all HUMANS..

Just a select few...and it's so called human creation is so dysfunctional..the only GUARANTEE a human is capable of doing well is the DEATH and DESTRUCTION of its own species using their GOD as a scapegoat..

...BRILLIANT DESIGN ? an intelligent DESIGN....laugh...for the psychopath, YES

or is GOD the work of clever HUMANS who design IT according to their need for POWER and CONTROL over other humans = SLAVE SYSTEM.

..which begins between the EARS...and is spread like an PLAGUE and causes horrific DEATH and DESTRUCTION in its wake....ABSOLUTELY....just ask the Roman church...ISLAM....and the JEWS that ordered Jesus MURDER...all GUILTY...
...................to murder over some GOD any GOD is the work of a PSYCHOPATH...a MURDERER nothing more..................

The HUMAN LIFE FORM....is not a JEW...is not a CHRISTIAN...is not a Muslim....

It is not what HUMANS attach to it....Doctor..Lawyer..President...+++

..............a HUMAN LIFE FORM is NOT a LABEL...a LABEL is a HUMAN construct attached to the LIFE FORM...............................

YOUR JEW GOD..any GOD has nothing to do with the HUMAN LIFE FORM...unless HUMANS are the result of GENETIC ENGINEERING by a highly advanced space faring species...

Same as humans are doing now with plants and animals.. and eventually humans ...in which the IGNORANT HUMANS of a long gone era where certainly WOWED and easily would attach a GOD status to these beings...

....YOUR GOD and what YOU have been conditioned to accept and BELIEVE unconditionally is a result of INFORMATION
FUSED into your neural network...IT ..your GOD exists as a HOLOGRAPHIC projection between YOUR EARS....

Supported by 24/7 conditioning with your Torah/Temple/Rabbi/Rituals ++++ how can YOU not be affected when this is YOUR 24/7 ENVIRONMENT...

YOU accept this...and YOU can have it...drown in it...AS LONG as OTHERS who could care less are not affected in anyway...the GOD and the DOGMA humans attach to it..is YOURS to do with as YOU PLEASE....

Not so with The Christian and Muslim MIND and LIFE MOLESTERS...they force assimilation...these are TERRORISTS of the HUMAN LIFE FORM...which cannot have a LABEL attached to it that DEFINES IT...this is pure IGNORANCE...

The HUMAN LIFE FORM...body and brain is an amazing alliance that is the most extraordinary and versatile life form on this planet...The BODY is NOT a JEW...or CHRISTIAN...or MUSLIM +++ it is a TOOL...an amazing tool.

The BRAIN is not a JEW...or a Christian..or a Muslim...

It is so EXTRAORDINARY humans are just barely tapping into the potential of it..and no HUMAN on EARTH truly understands how IT does what it does...this is an exciting frontier...many Ancient civilizations were more advanced than some TODAY...and were destroyed by the insane MUSLIM and CHRISTIAN psychopaths...they MURDER INNOVATION...

The Religious PSYCHOPATHS MURDERED the OPEN MIND thought process...with their horrific GOD inventions and the insane DOGMA they attached to their GOD invention....

What has GOD ? any GOD done to enhance the quality of EXISTING on EARTH so all life forms can THRIVE ? .....nothing.....
Only mentally MOLESTED HUMANS who play GOD DESTROY everything in their wake...

it is merely a HOLOGRAPHIC projection with information HUMANS attach to it...information 7 billion + HUMANS do not agree upon...

YOUR GOD between YOUR EARS...OK ..keep it...pray to it...take it to your grave...LEAVE OTHERS to THRIVE without it..

AS more HUMANS wake up to their individual AWESOMENESS as a unique LIFE FORM...that cannot be defined by some retarded LABEL...especially Religious...

Then HUMANS reach for the stars and beyond with the OPEN MIND and CURIOSITY that the MURDERERS of these amazing attributes..who so desperately want to reduce them to dumbed down SLAVES of GOD inventing PSYCHOPATHS will leave

GOD on the shelf with ZEUS and ODIN and FINALLY be FREE to EXPLORE and DISCOVER without FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE.....
Debate Round No. 3
mosc

Pro

Zeus and Odin lost wars and therefore lost power. G'lut/exile a curse. Torah most essentially defined as either a blessing or a curse. When Israel lost wars the power of our God inversely became greater; the feet of our enemies upon our necks yet these Goyim claimed to worship the God of the Jews. Such did not happen when Zeus and Odin suffered total military defeat!

Why do you return to the vomit of Xtianity and Islam? Do we debate on this? No not in the least. So why waste time on a topic we agree upon?

All Goyim, including yourself never accepted the Torah revelation at Sinai. You know nothing of the God of Israel.

You express defeatism concerning your dead Gods Zeus and Odin. My condolences for your loss.
WisdomOfAges

Con

The VISION that was....is the VISION that IS....? this actually happened in a lucid sleep state...

a remote space...location unknown...environment minimal..lighting..dusk like...edge of darkness..no sky visible..

SCENE...perspective...viewing the left arm of a MALE from a diagonal direction just behind it...shoulder to hand only .BODY and HEAD is not VISIBLE...in the hand and forearm rest the TABLETS of the TEN COMMANDMENTS...just to the right at ground level... to dim was the environment the ground appeared to be grayish nothing else visible other than a BLUE
wispy flame (no yellow/red) enveloping a bush like object...the bush like object itself was not scorched or burnt the flames floated around it
...then in an instant the TABLETS dissolved into dust over a few seconds and the arm as well ......the flame continued...then nothing.........total darkness....

INTERPRETATION ? many possibilities...most likely related to the MOSES story....as then....in the PRESENT...ISRAEL does not follow the TEN COMMANDMENTS........is the dust of eternity their true FATE ? unknown...

A TRUE BELIEVER NEVER NEEDS TO DEFEND.....they become the essence of their BELIEF.....nowhere does the ten commandments order the MURDER..DEATH...DESTRUCTION of anything or anyone...pretty straight forward...
a BELIEVER is the ESSENCE of the commandments or they are not...

and no matter what is fed to them (Bible/Koran/Torah) it is nothing more than dust in the wind and has no TRUTH to it...nothing to argue over...nothing to murder or destroy over...

NO HUMAN EVER NEEDS TO BE VALIDATED and APPROVED TO EXIST....especially by humans that play and act like a GOD

The Bible...Torah..?...whatever...are NOT HUMAN...they are NOT ALIVE...the DOGMA/IDEOLOGY of the Middle East GODS
of which there is supposed to be only ....1 GOD ...no exceptions matches the turning to DUST of the TEN COMMANDMENTS and the human....people act like they BELIEVE...but differently....no cohesion...no 1 GOD all agree upon...and especially NO

absolute KINDNESS-COMPASSION-CONSIDERATION towards all LIFE FORMS and the PLANET......in the same totally INSANE dedication these many GOD dogma/ideologies DEMAND...OBEDIENCE TO...

IF HUMANS were totally COMMITTED to KINDNESS-COMPASSION-EMPATHY-SYMPATHY and encouraged all things HEALTHY along with cooperation and collaboration to INNOVATE not DESTROY..then perhaps a GOD would be universally acceptable......without the FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE...attached to it....

Till then...YOU do as you wish with YOUR GOD....the other 7 billion humans have work to do to save the species from self extinction...and NO GOD seems to be available to facilitate that...

The BIBLE/KORAN/TORAH ?.......the TEN COMMANDMENTS kind of sum it all up...very simple..

The rest...to MYTHOLOGY....where NO HARM CAN EVER BE DONE with any of them....EVER...or surely DUST is humanities destiny as a species...and no Bible/Koran/Torah...is worth destroying any LIFE FORM and the PLANET over...EVER...
Debate Round No. 4
mosc

Pro

in the hand and forearm rest the TABLETS of the TEN COMMANDMENTS...just to the right at ground level...

Who do you seek to fool. Goyim never accepted the revelation of the Torah at Sinai. Goyim to not observe Shabbot - never in recorded history.

You asy .ISRAEL does not follow the TEN COMMANDMENTS... Bunk. Israel has guarded shabbot throughout human history. Shabbot as a sign of the brit faith distinguishes the Jewish people from all other worship of other Gods whom the Goyim worship throughout recorded history.

BELIEVER NEVER NEEDS TO DEFEND.... This represents a totally alien worship of foreign Gods. Torah faith has nothing about personal belief. In fact personal belief systems according to the Torah reveal a worship of avoda zarah - worship which the Torah never commands.

TRUTH ... the 8th middah/attribute of Oral Torah logic, shares nothing in common with NOT the bible NOR the koran. Goyim which never accepted the Written Torah at Sinai likewise never accepted the Oral Torah at Horev.

The bible and koran do not live, but Torah does not exist except that Torah lives within the Jewish people.

Goyim never accepted the Torah at Sinai. Therefore Goyim lie about the Torah and declare it teaches Monotheism which it does not. Many Gods live, but the brit people have a faith alliance only with our God whose Name the Goyim do not know. What is the Name of the God of Israel? You do not know. Neither Jesus son of Zeus nor Allah according to Muhammad and his archangel gabriel know the Name of the God of Israel. Only the brit people who accept the Torah at Sinai know how to call upon this Name in prayer.

Jesus son of Zeus nor Muhammad knew how the prophets taught the commandment of prayer. Faith entails more that some idealistic pie in the sky ideal. Faith equally entails growing up and becoming a Man which requires t'shuva.
WisdomOfAges

Con

POINT ? GOD ? Bible...Koran...Torah.......whatever....of 7 billion + humans ...a mere 15 million attach JEW to their IDENTITY

......1.5 billion + attach CHRISTIAN......1.5 billion + attach MUSLIM....NO HUMAN AGREES UNIVERSALLY about any GOD and the ORAL/WRITTEN stories they attach to IT....it is like a GOD Country CLub...join and pay dues through becoming HYPNOTIZED and ENSLAVED to the Dogma/Ideology attached to it...or BE PUNISHED...SUFFER...

The Middle East GOD is built on FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE....obedience to the DOGMA must be absolute...others in the club will JUDGE..VALIDATE...APPROVE the MEMBERS WORTHINESS...

The RULES must be OBEYED...but 7 billion humans on this world don't GIVE A CRAP about you and your GOD...in the WAY you and others like YOU do....ARE THEY TO BE EXECUTED for their CRIME of not APPROVING ?

According to the Allah God crowd...YES...according to the Roman Church YES...convert or DIE/SUFFER

Regardless...NO HUMAN EVER NEEDS TO BE APPROVED or VALIDATED to EXIST.........E V E R ...especially be other humans
who act like a GOD and order the PUNISHMENT and MURDER...of those deemed to be UNWORTHY of the GOD they attach themselves to...these are humans conditioned and programmed to OBEY....not GODS...

Have a GOD ? have traditions attached to it...JEW-JESUS-ALLAH-KRISHNA-TOTH-ODIN-VENUS-+++ countless others...
good for you and the humans conditioned to follow....NONE of it is necessary to THRIVE....

Believe as YOU wish...want to destroy others for not accepting...well JOIN the 6000 year DEATH and DESTRUCTION over GOD club....

The NEW GENERATIONS are flushing the GODS down the toilet....they do not want or need this HORRIFIC OBSOLETE Dogma...to EXIST...and they are showing YOU and others who are GOD attached...NO THANKS keep it..not INTERESTED

.......RESULT...follow your GOD and so called teachings....NEVER HARM or FORCE your ways on other humans...who do not follow...or want to...

Like the word...PHOENICIAN-ZOROASTER-SUMERIAN-+++ all words NOT attached to HUMANS anymore...YOU and YOUR GOD as all others in the past will have the same FATE...dwindle into the past....

YOU GO your path..HUMANITY does not FOLLOW YOU and the other Religions are FALLING...outside of non THREATENING
SPIRITUALITY...the Middle East GODS will stay in the Middle East...in time they to will fade..BUT NOT TODAY

The Bible-Koran-Torah +++ take it or leave it...this is the trend....many are leaving....they want to LIVE and EXPERIENCE LIFE

NOT DROWN in OBSOLETE DOGMA and RITUALS of a long gone era,,,,
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
"You"d rather have the world see G-d as racist." Why? Did or did not the Goyim accept the Torah at Sinai? The Goyim and their Nazi racist ideas neither the Talmud nor me specifically can change.

"true Jews ... chosen" Noise. How does the Torah define the middah truth? You do not know. Accurate and truth 2 totally different equations. I am right and you are wrong = a totally invalid equation. Defining the middot Torah sh'baal pe = Torah scholarship.

Quoting Talmud taken totally out of context, bunk. Medical knowledge has progressed over a period of 1600 years - duh. Goyim never came out of Egypt, the first commandment means nothing to them. The brit of Gilgal, you clearly know nothing about this brit. Just as Moshe called upon the Name to war against the Gods of Egypt ... split the Jordan and Yehoshua called upon the Name to war against the Gods of Canaan - - Rashi tefillen!

Believe this or that? Dude I am an atheist praise God. The 1st commandment: that the Name is King. When Israel asked for a king in the days of the prophet Shmuel, they abandoned faith with the first commandment.
Posted by Turk082 3 years ago
Turk082
Look, mosc and WisdomOfAge, I don't want to debate you guys. Alright. I just don't. I wrote a few comments and you turned my offer down. So, If you want to debate somebody, I recommend you guys to visit this site below:

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He's another debater who still has a mark to leave his legacy on here. Talk to him about one god, two gods, ten gods, or no gods. Talk to him about whatever you want. Go ahead. Don't wait another minute.

Enjoy the rest of your life,

Turk
Posted by Turk082 3 years ago
Turk082
This is my last post to you, as I no longer wish to debate you on any more subject.

You wrote, "Torah and NaCK testifies that other Gods live."

This of course contradicts with the statement that says, "Hear O Israel, G-d is your G-d, G-d is One." Gentiles must accept G-d, and all that the Torah says about Him. He is One. And G-d spoke all these words, saying, "I am the L-rd thy G-d, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

Again, For G-d says, "I am the L-rd your G-d, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods upon My face." This is the very first commandment. And then there is the second commandment which says, do not worship idols (avoda zara or strange worship).

On the contrary, the Torah seems to contradict you!

You wrote, "HaShem made war and judged the Gods of Egypt."

That dose not signify that the gods of Egypt exist. You can believe them if you want. But that"s not what the Bible implies.

I don"t care what you believe. I just don"t. Go think whatever you want. Go ahead. Believe in one god, two god, ten gods, or no gods. That is what it means to live in a free country. The problem arises is if you have a religious philosophy that is not based on objective realities that you then want to put in the Yeshiva classroom, then I"m going to stand there and say no. I"m not going to allow you in the Yeshiva classroom. I"m not telling you want to think, I"m just telling you that your not studying authentic Torah, this is not Torah, keep it out. That"s when I stand up, otherwise go ahead. I"m not telling you how to think.

You wrote, "You made an error on the 1st commandment. So lets clarify that point. What does the first commandment command?"

No not me. As we have seen above, it is YOU who are in error.
Posted by Turk082 3 years ago
Turk082
Had the rabbis felt inclined to help the rest, Rabbi Rabinowitz would had never been best friends with Louis Pasteur. Refer to Rabbi Tovia Singer on the non-Jews.

And in the book Mevo She"arim (Mavo Shearim), written by Pasteur's most closest friends, within Pasteur"s own lifetime, provides us
a reliable account with Pasteur"s friend " Rabbi Dr. Yisrael Michael Rabinowitz.
Posted by Turk082 3 years ago
Turk082
You wrote, "The Talmud teaches that Goyim have no portion in O'lam Ha'ba."

You give a bad name to Judaism. You"d rather have the world see G-d as racist. It breaks the hearts of true Jews. We never claimed to be chosen in a special way, only that we should be the Light to the Nations. We are hear to be a light to the Goyim! You said, "Goyim never accepted the Torah revelation of Sinai. By definition Goyim worship other Gods."

Before we were Jews, we were non-Jews, were we not. If you know any bit of Hebrew, "Goy" means nation. Israel is called Goy when referred to as a nation.

but perhaps, without a doubt, one of the most beneficial and best major scientific discoveries of all time is the one that saved tens of millions of countless people around the world, was Dr. Louis Pasteur"s discovery.
Living in Paris, at the time, Dr. Pasteur was with his close friend, Rabbi Dr. Israel Michel Rabinowitz, who was busy translated the Talmud into French. Pasteur, saw a copy of Seder Mo"ed " the tractates dealing primarily with the Jewish holiday cycle " peering into it he was aroused by discovering this surprising stance in the Talmud tractate of Yoma that reads this:

"One who was bitten by a rabid dog[2], should be fed from his liver lobe." (Yoma 84a) and "If someone is bitten by a mad dog [affected with rabies](2), he should be fed the lobe of that dog"s liver." (BT Yoma 84b)"

The doctor was astounded by such healing method of using the infected animal itself, that he concluded that the Sages knew of body products antibodies, that would attack the invading infection, and that they were concentrated in the liver, and this is what heard the person who had been bitten by a dog with rabies. The surprised doctor immediately launched a series of experiments whose final result was the salvation of tens of millions of people!!
Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
"pure, accurate truth"

truth its the 8th middah of Oral Torah. How does the Torah distinguish the 8th middah from the 4th middah of mercy? Hint: its the journey not the destination.
Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
Goyim never accepted the Torah revelation of Sinai. By definition Goyim worship other Gods.
Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
Understanding of the 1st commandment of Sinai requires understanding the 13 tohor middot.
Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
"Merciful One"

Mercy its the 4th middah of the Oral Torah. What distinguishes it from the 3rd and 5th middot of Oral Torah? Israel its a nation of Cohonim. For a Cohen to do avodat HaShem he must be tohor. These Oral Torah middot define tohor.
Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
The error of monotheism, people do not understand what the term brit means. The bible translates the word as covenant, as does the Koran. Bunk. Translating a word from one language to another never defines the word that's translated! The first word of the Torah contains the words brit fire. Brit means alliance. An alliance requires both parties to the alliance to swear an oath. HaShem swore an oath to Avraham, Yitzak and Yaacov. What oath did Avraham, Yitzak, and Yaacov swear back to HaShem?

The word ONE in the kre'a sh'ma does not refer to HaShem as One God. Rather the 3 Divine Names contained within the single p'suk of Sh'ma refers to the 3 oaths that the Avot cut a brit with HaShem by means of swearing an oath. The Talmud commands the mitzva to place tefillen prior to accepting the yoke of heaven. The mitzva of tefillen - the mitzva of swearing an oath!
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