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ThomasTruth
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bigdave
Con (against)

abortion should be illegal

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Started: 6/25/2020 Category: People
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ThomasTruth

Pro

con starts
bigdave

Con

CON is proposing that abortion should not be illegal. Abortion should be legal, But highly regulated.
Debate Round No. 1
ThomasTruth

Pro

as your the one that supports abortion should be legal, I would like to hear your arguments first
bigdave

Con

CON is stating that abortion should be "legal" but "regulated".

looking at the inverse argument that "all abortions should be illegal", CON states that this was once true in America. "In 1900, Abortion was a felony in every state. " (#1). Persons seeking to end a pregnancy via abortion had a few options, But they were costly and sometimes unsafe. A woman could go outside the USA, Generally to parts of Mexico, Canada, Europe and so forth, But the cost was prohibitive and only available to the wealthy. Those without wealth could use cheaper but unregulated alternatives. These so called "back alley abortions" claimed many a life ( both mother and child ) over the years.

So it can be seen that even though "illegal ", Many abortions were still performed by one means or another legislators, And those in the medical fields, Began to rethink the consequences of the then current abortion laws. "Some states began to allow abortion in limited circumstances, Such as to protect the woman's life or to terminate pregnancies arising from rape or incest". (#2)

Bill Clinton, Then the US President said in 1992 that he foresaw a future where abortion was "legal, Safe, And rare" ( #3 ) If we break that down into its component arguments we get:

A) Abortion should be Legal
B) Abortion should be safe
C) Abortion should be rare

Taking " B) Abortion should be safe" first, Who would argue that a medical procedure should not be safe? So that is a given.

Taking" C) Abortion should be rare" President Clinton viewed that abortion should never be a first choice form of birth control. That is a given as prevention should always be preferred over a medical procedure.

I will leave " A) Abortion should be Legal" for the next round.

#1) "A Political, Public & Moral Look at Abortion". New York University. New York University. February 28, 2006.
#2) ibid
#3) theatlantic. Com/ideas/archive/2019/12/the-brilliance-of-safe-legal-and-rare/603151/
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Posted by Leaning 2 months ago
Leaning
@bigdave
Sadly, It will 'not. Ever.
Posted by bigdave 2 months ago
bigdave
ThomasTruth has forfeited round #3. When will my round start?
Posted by Leaning 2 months ago
Leaning
An abolitionists view on slavery, Does not give him rights that supersede that of the slave owner.
Would be a messed up thing to say in modern society.
The law doesn't make a situation less subjective, Just that people are forced to obey a generally held morality.

Or I suppose one could say that a pro abortion view on a mother, Does not give them her rights that supersede that of the unborn baby.

Nah, Atheist.
Posted by missmedic 2 months ago
missmedic
Morality is subjective therefore we use the law. An anti-abortion view on an unborn baby does not give it rights that supersede that of the mother's.
That analogue confuses it does not clarify. If you start using metaphor's I going to think your a Christian.
Posted by Leaning 2 months ago
Leaning
I think morality is subjective.
And I'm sure you already know that many of the anti-abortion people view the unborn baby as a life/person/human.

I'm sure people could agree with improving people's situations in life.
The way that gun rights advocates might agree it'd be nice for society to have free non-mandatory classes and ads about gun safety, In using and storage.
Doesn't mean gun rights advocates would agree with the government taking people's guns away.
Posted by missmedic 2 months ago
missmedic
Who's morality? Yours mine theirs? What of the pregnant mother's morality? Is it moral to take away one person's rights for someone who is not yet a person.
Anti-abortion people seem emotional and ignorant to the facts if people want to reduce abortion they need to learn more. Inflecting suffering on women will not reduce abortion. Abortion is but a symptom of a greater problem.
There is no need for societies to defend fetal interests directly, As the best way to protect fetuses is to provide resources directly to pregnant people. When a pregnant woman is safe and healthy, So is her fetus.
Posted by Leaning 2 months ago
Leaning
@missmedic
I think it's usually more about 'morality, Than health concerns for anti-abortion people.
Though many of them, Will still make allowances at times, For instance, If it is certain the mother's life is going to be lost.

I'm not saying Pro abortion people don't have a moral concern about the issue.
I think the two sides just see different moral conclusions and reasons.
Posted by missmedic 2 months ago
missmedic
Are abortion laws needed if we have healthcare regulations?
Free and accessible birth control for everyone would reduce abortions.
An early and comprehensive sex education program would reduce abortions.
Law enforcement does not reduce abortions.
Law enforcement increase maternal morality rates.
Posted by Fazel 2 months ago
Fazel
Women who have sexually active lives and don't use birth control will be a mother of many children of which she will abandon. Children who are found out to be mentally unstable when in the womb should be aborted because their life would just be unfair. Abortion should be legal.
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