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christianity justifies god's genocides and yet rather strangely christians do not justify Hitler

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Started: 7/23/2021 Category: Philosophy
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backwardseden

Con

christianity perfectly justifies god's genocides in accordance with the writings of the bible as they MUST because their god is jealous, Which is not a reason to commit any genocide. This thus proves their god to be completely bankrupt and immoral. Yet rather strangely christians or pretty much anyone and rightly so does not justify Hitler and the Nazis for committing their genocides, Atrocities, Or liquidations. That's quite a supermassive hypocritical contradiction for christians to do as such. So the question remains. . . Why?

Now here's the thing. . . Indeed by most of the followers of Hitler and the Nazi's, Had they won WWII and conquered the world, Their holocaust, Carnage, Atrocities, And liquidations would have been justified. This holocaust would have had to have been justified if the Nazis were to have won the war by their followers. And these genocides would have had to have been further justified if the followers of Hitler and the Nazis were to remain intact and in power.
Yet thankfully Hitler and the Nazis did not win WWII and their genocides are not justified.

So why is it that the god of the bible, According to EXACTLY what this BOOK says, With all of its genocides that this god both committed and sanctioned is perfectly justified for the reason of pure petty jealousy which is not a reason to commit any genocide, Much less murder anybody which includes babies, Children, And pregnant mothers? AND people buy into it and follow this homicidal maniac god in which case, Thankfully, Nobody can prove this god's existence?
Syamsu

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Not all genocides are the same. The Jews, Which I suppose the old testament genocides you are referring to, Committed a genocide in the name of God. Nazi's committed genocide in the name of blood and soil, Social darwinist ideology.

Probably Jews did and do criticize the genocides a lot. And Christians are really more about the new testament, And not about the old testament.

That you say there is no evidence for God, And therefore reject God, In general terms it means you reject the reality of anything inherently subjective. It means you require objective evidence to accept the reality of anything.

So then same as a nazi, You would regard personal character of people to be a matter of biological fact, Because you do not accept personal character is a subjective, Because you do not accept the reality of anything subjective.

Meaning you have the racist, Coldhearted and calculating attitudes same as nazi's, Which were the basis of genocide.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Con

"The Jews, Which I suppose the old testament genocides you are referring to, Committed a genocide in the name of God. "
Well actually um no. That's not even a close call. Supposed christians (don't worry, There is no such thing as a christian) MUST follow exactly to the letter what the O. T. And the N. T. Says, Otherwise they and you are not christians. You don't get to make things up as you clearly do to suit your wants, Needs, And desires, For what suits you best and then trash the rest of your bible as YOU clearly do as you MUST to save your unproven storybook character fabled fantasy undefined whatever supposed "god" OF PRINT ONLY from a BOOK, Namely your bible, That nobody in the entire existence of the human race has ever been able to prove even exists from its total embarrassments.

"Nazi's committed genocide in the name of blood and soil, Social darwinist ideology. "
Really? According to what? You? How would you know? What grade of toiletry topsy turvy tinker toy tummy tubby toejam tile remover did yah come up with that one in which case no true scholar of merit will ever agree with yah on that one? Not only that, Prove it to yourself. . . Go ahead and take that ideal to 20 different churches within a 20 mile radius and you get a consensus. 1 billion to 1 you won't. You won't even try because you 100% know it's pure B. S. Grow a hangnail on your tinsel brain and come up with better excuses, Please. Sheesh.
"Gott mit uns"
"God is with us" was engraved on ALL Nazi belt buckles. So POOF out the door goes YOUR flatly invented excuses of "Nazi's committed genocide in the name of blood and soil, Social darwinist ideology. " I mean can't you think of something better rather than flatly lying?
"We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian. " Adolf Hitler

"Probably Jews did and do criticize the genocides a lot. And Christians are really more about the new testament, And not about the old testament. "
Oh. I see. So DT 13: 9-10 and DT 17: 2-5 according to you has no validity - right? Same is true with Revelations which must have absolutely no validity - right? Well goodie for your happy hairy hard off zit on your prick for inventing yet more excuses from something in which case you clearly know absolutely nothing about.
This also means that according to you, Since you obviously twiddle your lips with battery acid and are not very smart, Nor are you edumacated nor intelligent in any possible way, And yeah you deserve to be horrifically insulted for inventing excuses AND lying in which case I truly hate, As it is taught in college that insulting is deserved when this happens, Tough if you don't like it, Then you shouldn't have accepted this debate, Or any other, That according to you your unproven supposed god CHANGED from being a total s--t in the O. T. From it's committing genocides and the ordering of them to POOF shebang to being loving, Kind, Peaceful, Harmonious etc etc etc in the N. T. Wow. I thought your unproven storybook character in which case your whatever god cannot prove its existence anyway, Is unchanging? Ummm. Yeah. That's another fatal flaw of your unproven whatever supposed god in which case you cannot define or prove its existence and neither can itself prove its existence to anyone.
Now here's how nearly 100% of all religion works. Yeah, This includes yours. First comes power. Then that power trickles down to fear. Then that power and fear trickles down to control. So you have a nice longggggg look at DT 13: 9-10 and DT 17: 2-5. AND you have a nice long look at the completely absurd 4 of the 10 commandments in which case blaspheme, Working on the sabbath, Committing adultery, And cursing at your parents also require death if disobeyed. Pathetic.

"That you say there is no evidence for God, And therefore reject God, "
Again, Your unproven whatever supposed undefined "god" can never prove its existence to anyone. Not ever. This is according to the print. Let's see if you know the "why"? Also what babbling idiot would not reject thus supposed unproven undefined whatever "god" according to the print in the first place considering the fact that it committed true atrocities for absolutely no reason? And you, As pathetic as you are, Are trying in ever so a munchkin land, In such a meager way which does---not---help---you, To justify it. Sorry. It doesn't work.

" God, In general terms it means you reject the reality of anything inherently subjective. "
This shows that you are desperate for embarrassingly horrific bad excuses and are out of them. I nor does anyone who is not religious come to the conclusion that plants began to throw without sunlight, A GOD gets tired and rests, Cain gets a wife from POOF absolutely nowhere, A GOD repents, A GOD annihilates EVERY living thing except for 2 of each species and 8 humans because man was "wicked" only to recreate man, 50, 000-millions of animals boarded Noah"s ark on the same day, God enslaves the Jews (his chosen people) for 400 years, The Israelite population went from 70 to several million in a few hundred years, God sends plagues so people can get to know him better, God repents of the evil he thought of doing to his people, You can"t go to church if your testicles are damaged, Or if your penis has been cut off, God can"t defeat chariots of iron (that one is especially good! ), God sends two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha"s bald head, A spirit gets permission from God to be a lying spirit in the mouths of prophets (Here is why your unproven god can never prove its existence. Why? Since it lied, Nobody can know when your unproven god is telling the truth, Fact from fiction, Which would include when it could be telling you about its very own existence), Jesus says you can move mountains, Jesus recommends cutting off body parts if they cause you to sin, Jesus curses a fig tree for not bearing fruit out of season. (Note: Rather than cause the fig tree to wither and to bear fruit never again, He could have performed a miracle and made it bear fruit even out of season. ) There are at least three heavens, Etc etc etc.
Again. Invent better excuses please rather than flat out lying from something in which case you clearly know absolutely nothing about.

There is no definition for a god because no human has ever been in the company of a god and been able to prove it. You cannot test, Show the characteristics, Nor can you demonstrate a god. It is impossible because you cannot define a god because none has been defined by anyone in the history of the human race because no god has ever been seen, Defined, Told to anyone through talking about/ oratory, Written about from a god's point of view as far as to how it can be tested, Demonstrated and thus defined and the characteristics of a god proven. So you as a believer have no evidence to back up any claim to thus prove that any god from any religion exists.
"If you cannot give a definition for what you believe, Then you really don"t believe in anything. " Tracie Harris
She's right.

No idiot god if true and genuine in any possible way would never use text/ the written word, Namely your bible, Not for any reason, Not ever, As a form of communication, Advertisement, Correspondence, Which is the worst possible way to get its messages across from itself to man. There are at least 50 reasons for this. Hopefully, You can think of at least 3. If you can"t then you do not know your religion as well as you think. In fact, It"s not at all. To prove it, Think about ---anything---, Anything at all as far as what is the criteria that comes from a god and could NOT in any way possible have come from the mind of a human as far as a human is concerned in your bible? The fact is there's nothing godly about your bible that a man could not have come up with. In other words, It's a critical nature of falsifiability.
Btw, Which translation upon translation upon translation of the bible is true? Which copy upon copy upon copy of the bible is true? Which dead language upon dead language upon dead language which eventually dies off is true? Which update upon update upon update is true? In which case every single one of them as language changes, So do the messages, So none of them can possibly be true. And since there is no original version/ translation of your bible you have no foundation to base any religion on. Thankfully, You don't! So regardless, Any religion by that merit is false. Even worse, By the translations, By the copies, By the dead languages, By the updates, Since the interpreters are humans, They at one point or another must have gotten the messages wrong/ incorrect because they after all are humans and are NOT perfect.
If there's one message that is incorrect, There's another and another and another and it can't be helped from what is supposed to be a perfect book. EVERYBODY should be able to understand this book. There would be no nouns, No verbs, Etc, Nothing added or subtracted from it throughout time. In other words, No true genuine god in which case nobody can define and nobody from any religion has ever proven a god to have ever existed in the entire existence of the human race, It would never use text/ the written word. It is a supermassive contradictory hypocritical fatal flaw into any god's existence from any religion.
So you are reading a fatally flawed BOOK. So a true genuine god, That you bow yield, Kneel, Pray to (which the mere act of "worship" is completely bankrupt and immoral) once again, Would ever use text/ the written word because---you---are ---better---than---it!

Try harder next time. If there is a next time rather than inventing excuses, K? Good.
Syamsu

Pro

How nazi ideology works can be found in the handbook for schooling the Hitler Youth. A book that was translated into English prior to the war, By an American sociologist, Interested in knowing the enemy. A book called nazi primer.

The foundations of nazi ideology is the observation of differences among people, Particularly in regards to personal character. Which personal character they believed to be heritable, And that it could be measured as biological fact.

So it means the nazi has no emotion in judging what the personal character of someone is, Because they believe this to be a matter of scientific fact, And not a matter of personal judgement. This is where the nazi derived their coldhearted calculating attitudes from, Which were the basis of genocide. Even for instance in a nazi father and son relationship, They will reach a conclusion on what each other's personal character is, Without any emotion, Just as statement of cold hard fact of biology.

The handbook for schooling the Hitler youth explains selection and evolution in explicit reference to Charles Darwin. Selection is then extended to "socialist selection", Which meant "wiping out the less worthy".

So you can see how the nazi genocidal attitudes were based on denying the subjective human spirit, And instead pretending the human spirit is objective, Measurable.

And this kind of attitude to throw out what is inherently subjective, And make it objective, Is generally promoted in academics. As now currently also, Universities are the main promoters of materialism and socialism, Not churches.

It is true that God the holy spirit, And the ordinary human spirit besides, Are inherently subjective. Meaning there is no objective evidence for them whatsoever. There is objective evidence of choices being made, There is no objective evidence of the spirit making the choices. The subjective spirit decides which way the objective material turns out.

One just has to feel what the personal character of someone is, And then express those feelings, By spontaneous expression of emotion with free will, Choosing a personal judgement on it. Christians feel that Jesus is the son of God. It is not a logically invalid opinion. And so then they pray to God the holy spirit, In worship, Who is indeed entirely subjective, And for their prayer generally they get better personal opinions. See how that works, Subjectivity is optimized through prayer. Generally personal opinions will gain a sincere aspect through praying to God. And the opinions might be changed in prayer.

Supposedly then, These people referred to in the old testatment, Committing genocide, At a time when Christianity did not yet exist, Prayed to God, And considered their personal judgement that it was okay to commit genocide. Then the later Christians justified this judgement. Although for any Christian, It must be pointed out again, That these people comitting genocide did not have the benefit of knowing Jesus. Maybe they would not have committed genocide, If they had known Jesus.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Con

Well by golly, Gosh gee, Gosh darned it all you really should stick to your scrotum soda that has fizzled on plop of your rigor mortis and not present me or anyone something that you haven't read thoroughly. Your precious baby, The Nazi Primer specifically states "The Christians, Above all the Roman Church, Reject the race idea with the citation before God all men are equal. " All who have the Christian belief, Whether Jews, Bush ni**er, Or whites are dearer to them and more worthwhile than a German who does not confess Christianity. The one binding bond, Above and beyond all restrictions, Is the Belief which alone brings salvation. "
Yeah, Indeed, Hitler and the Nazis were overblown bloated christians. Too bad if you don't like it. Deal with it. Oh and yeah, You ARE an overblown bloated so-called supposed christian who has no idea, None, As to what you are squawking about. You only pretend that you do.
"The foundations of nazi ideology. . . "
See what I mean? You have no idea, None as to what Nazi ideology is. That's because my dealing little maggot, Drum roll please. . . IT'S BASED ON CHRISTIANITY in which case you have no idea as to what christianity is either. Nobody does. You also have no idea what atheism is. Whatever gave you the first hint of a clue? Your own flappy ignorance and arrogance? Why don't you try and read your bumbling babbling big back hole baby brained bible for a change in which case regardless, You cannot even prove that your unproven storybook character fabled fantasy undefined whatever supposed "god" nor sneezerag christ OF PRINT ONLY from a BOOK, Namely your bible, That nobody in the entire existence of the human race has ever been able to prove even exists?

"This is where the nazi derived their coldhearted calculating attitudes from, Which were the basis of genocide. "
Yep they got it from the bible.
Awe shucks.
The great flood according to the bible (which never happened btw) so who knows what the body count was there? God murdered 3, 000 EX 32:27-28, God murdered 14, 700 NU 16:49, God murdered 24, 002 NU 25: 1-11, God murdered 12, 000 JOS 8: 1-25, God murdered 10, 000 JG 1:4, God murdered 120, 000 JG 8:7-10, God murdered 42, 000 JG 12:3-6, God murdered 1, 000 JG 15:14-15, God murdered 3, 000 JG 16:27-30, God murdered 25, 101 JG 20: 35-37, God murdered 30, 002 1 SAM 2:25 and 1 SAM 4: 10-11, God murdered 50, 070 oh get this one just for looking into the ark of the lard 1 SAM 6:19, God murdered 22, 000 2 SAM 8: 5-6 "The Lord gave victory to David wherever he went. ", God murdered 65, 850 because he gave He-Man favoritism to David 2 SAM 8:8-10, God murdered 47, 000 yep more David 2 SAM 10:18, God murdered 20, 000 yep still more David 2 SAM 18:6-7, God murdered 70, 000 2 SAM 24:15, God murdered 100, 000 1 KI 20: 29, God murdered 27, 000 due to a wall falling 1 KI 20: 30. A wall in itself cannot kill 27, 000. Even today its impossible. So its either, A lie in the bible, A misprint, Or an act of its unproven storybook character god of print only, God murdered 185, 000 2 KI 19 35 -37, Oh this is the very best part" Your unproven character storybook god of print only which should be most certainly be taught to children murders five hundred thousand of his own chosen people for no reason 2 CHR 13 17-18 half a million! Thankfully peace is winning over your slumbering idiocy of stupid pathetic murder. God murdered one million 2 CHR 14: 9-14, God murdered 120, 000 2 CHR 28:6, God murdered 75, 813 Esther 9:5-18 etc etc etc.
Oh but wait youngun the new happy hooker harlo Hitler, Where are all the genocides in the NT? There are a stifling none which means your unproven storybook character god of print only would have had to have changed. And it did drastically, Which means it is imperfect, That the old system clearly didn"t work, And that its chosen people were worthless cowbait s--t lard of mold spores that it must have known about BEFOREHAND, Before the beginning of time, So this unproven undefined whatever "god" created it"s stringy plaything creatures for entertainment purposes only, As your unproven storybook character god of print only is in no possible way a god, And since it is imperfect, This means that it no possible way should it be worshiped in any possible way.

Regardless, As proven in the previous RD, Your unproven supposed whatever "god" cannot prove its existence.

Regardless, This MUST be said here because I can't say it there, With your other dee-bate with Surgeon, In which case you've clearly lost because you do not have the ability to rationalize, Reason, Think, Use common sense, Nor use logic, Just as you do here, Especially when you state something so stifling ignorant like "Does the personal opinion that a painting is beautiful, "comport with reality"?
That doesn't make any sense. "
Um yeah. It makes perfect sense. But not to YOU.

"So it means the nazi has no emotion in judging what the personal character of someone is"
When someone, And or anything commits horrific genocide, Such as your unproven diseased coughed upped sickened lice god according to the print, There's so much hate, So much anger, So much wrath, So much evil, That all there is, Is an empty shell of a pure and nothing but a psychopath, A sociopath, And a narcissist. Donald yeast infection bile Trump, Easily the worst president of all time, He's got it.
This is the supposed "god" that you perfectly justify and defend. Sorry. There is no defense for this. If there is even a wink of this, Then this debate will come to a screeching halt as I never deal with completely immoral and bankrupt people. Never.

Oh and yeah with a very big "duh", According to you, Your unproven whatever so-called "god" knowingly created Hitler as well as Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hong Xiuquan, All serial killers, Pedophiles, Torturers, Rapists, Etc etc etc. And would have had to have known who they would have turned out to be quadrillions of years in advance. If not, Then your unproven supposed god is not a god, Does not know everything, Is not in charge of everything, Is most certainly not all knowing and all powerful, Is not omnipotent, And most certainly is not perfect. So which is it snookums? Golly! You are in such a pickle!
Ah yes, You are dumb enough to mention the "free will" issue. So according to you, Your unproven whatever supposed twang of a god gave the homicidal maniacs listed above not only the free will but THE POWER to commit their atrocities. Not only that, But according to you, Your unproven supposed neanderthal GOD gives daddy the POWER to rape, Beat, And torture his 4 year old girl while punching her in the face, Sometimes for 14+ years, And she cannot even SCREAM at the top of her lungs until she turns 18 and then runs away from home and that's only the start of her horrors. What a great unproven god that you cannot test, Demonstrate, Assert, Define, And declare. Right? And you have the f--king gall to state anything remotely like "Atheists are fact obsessed and clueless about subjectivity" when atheists in fact generally know more about religion than theists.
Oh it gets even better for you! Darn! Show me where in your bible where it even remotely states "I the lord thy god grants man free will. "
Yeah, It gets even better. Squashing people's free will, To threaten them with death as 4 of the 10 commandments do IS NOT FREE WILL.

"Christians feel that Jesus is the son of God. "
How do you know? Have you researched all the 33, 830 or more denominations of christianity? Um no you haven't. Oh and yeah, Many supposed christians of those 33, 830 denominations, It just depends on who you would be yacking from a piddle stick with, Would consider jesus to be god. Keyword you used, But bad placement "feel".

Worship. Ah yes, Another thing that is completely bankrupt and immoral.

Here's some problems you are required to solve if there is going to be another RD because believe me, I as an atheist, I truly hate repeating myself, Especially to those who either have no defense for what evidence is presented and or typically ignore what is right in front of them and invent B. S. Excuses instead. You can say "I don't know" which is perfectly acceptable.
* Strange isn't it that you still cannot prove your god's existence.
* Yep. Just as I thought, You blew by when it was proven unto you that your unproven supposed so-called god cannot prove its existence.
So why should I take your word on ---anything--- you say?
And here's a critical point for you. . . "why believe? "
* Yeah it was also 100% proven to you that no idiot god would ---ever--- use text/ the written word. So according to you, You have no foundation for christianity. So again, Why should I believe a single word you say?
* You also blew by "There is no definition for a god. . . "
* You also blew by the absolute trash that the bible presents in which case no imbecile can possibly believe thus making your bible truly unreadable in which case there's a good 1, 000 of them or more and again you state that "Atheists are fact obsessed and clueless about subjectivity" Really? You're going to actually use that teenage from the womb aborted argument?
* You still haven't solved
"Gott mit uns"
"God is with us" was engraved on ALL Nazi belt buckles. So POOF out the door goes YOUR flatly invented excuses of "Nazi's committed genocide in the name of blood and soil, Social darwinist ideology. " I mean can't you think of something better rather than flatly lying?
Btw, That's not even close to what the Nazi Primer states. Try reading and comprehending it.
"We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian. " Adolf Hitler who ranked far far farrrrrrrr higher than a handbook. Oh. OK. So who had more power than Dolf? Donald manure toilet dust Trump, Easily the worst president of all time in which case many evangelicals believe it is the next prophet or the actual next pumping iron jesus jjitsu christ? Really?
Syamsu

Pro

Trump was a great president. You just don't understand how to make a personal judgement, So all your personal judgements are suspect.

To say someone is a kind person. The opinion is chosen by feeling what the personal character of that person is, And then expressing that feeling, By spontaneous expression of emotion with free will, Choosing the judgement that this person is kind. And then that person is said to make choices out of this kindness.

So you see, Kindness is identified with a chosen opinion, And choices are made out of kindness.

So then is kindness real? It is a matter of chosen opinion. But the subjective things like kindness, Have dominion over the objective material things.

So there is a spiritual domain containing all what is subjective, And a material domain containing all what is objective, And from the spiritual domain it is decided which way the material domain turns out.

You quote from the nazi primer saying that nazi's COMPLAINED about Christianity, That they teach that all people are equal. Then the nazi's further argue that in practise Christians do not believe that people are equal.

But it is readily true that nazism did not particularly deny God, The mistake in nazism is to objectify the human spirit.

It is not a fault of God, That there is no objective evidence of Him. God is entirely spiritual and subjective, And not material and objective. So what? You just want everything to be objective, That is your error, Not the error of God. Subjectivity is a big deal. Your personal subjective judgements are a big deal.

Common expressions like, Oh my God, Or even, The food tastes divine, Point towards God. Just based on those common feelings one can choose the belief that God is real.

Then you mention some genocides or mass killings by God. That's all just whatever, Based on personal judgement. And it's true that Christians are held to believe these were choices God made. But for the justice of it, You really would have to get into the details of it more, With someone who also believes in God, And it is meaningless to debate this with an atheist.
Debate Round No. 3
backwardseden

Con

Really? Pile driver Donald boot sauce rabid rabbi Trump, The worst president of all time, You cannot think in that tiny noodle of yours of anything good that thing did ---ever---, Much less while it was in office. Oh and yeah, It has a lot of things in common with your unproven storybook character fabled fantasy undefined whatever supposed "god" OF PRINT ONLY from a BOOK, Namely your bible, That nobody in the entire existence of the human race has ever been able to prove even exists.
Here's a few things since you believe in your hero and studded icon of aphid spit Trump AND your unproven supposed whatever god that they both have in common. . .
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god do not believe in god
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god are in total fear of their own deaths
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god will never step into the area if it means getting a bad split hair due day under any circumstance if it means that their gritty fingernail humanoid scalps will be harmed for whatever reason(s)
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god have absolutely no insight whatsoever for anything that is right, Honest, And just
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god send in the troops to take the bloody noses for them. And if the troops fail to do their wishes, They lay blame on the troops and go into flat out denial for their failures
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god have no idea what the Big Bang is even though it is proven fact
* Both Humpty Tumpty and god have no idea what evolution is even though it is proven fact
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god have no idea what Mother Nature/ Earth is even though she is a proven fact for the existence and the continued existence of life here on earth
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god have no idea that without death nearly all life cannot survive here on earth
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god have no idea as to how they have gotten here
* Both Humpty Trumpty like to exterminate species excluding themselves
* Both Humpty Trumpy and god are responsible for covid
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god are responsible for the widespread worldwide spread of covid
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god are responsible for the burning of millions of trees and the horrific devastation especially right now
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god hate women
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god are master manipulators
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god sit behind their desks and pout with little rattles in their hands and cry like little babies if things do not go their way. And then they take it out on others with all the rage in the s--t of the universe to show their gentler sides.
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god in no possible way can ever believe in peace, Only escalation, Hate and anger
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god are afraid of fair elections and would rig them so they come out as the victors
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god if they lose any election, They will never go peacefully
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god are in favor of plagues that decimate populations
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god lie to their prophets
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god have never been nor ever know how to be truly happy because they are **
** Both Humpty Trumpty and god are well known sociopaths
** Both Humpty Trumpty and god are well known psychopaths
** Both Humpty Trumpty and god are well known racist pigs
** Both Humpty Trumpty and god are well known narcissists
** Both Humpty Trumpty and god are phenomenally insecure
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god fear investigation
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god falsify weather reports. So they use black markers to justify their hurricanes which are really roid flare ups on their maps. Did ANYBODY believe this crap?
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god open their yaps far too often and gag orders should rightly happen with duct tape and glue.
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god should be handcuffed to their beds and be forced to watch Nancy Peloczi and Barack Obama private party lawn movies from their mirrors above.
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god have little smiley faces hand painted on rolls of t. P. So when they wipe their reareth endeth holiesseths, They know they are not using sandpaper so they can spark forest fires in their barbecues.
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god are compulsive liars.
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god use power and then fear to control.
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god use religion as a premise to gain that power.
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god pray to themselves and ask for forgiveness for how ignorant and stupid they are
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god want to build walls to show that they are in control when all walls of this kind do is build up barriers that need to be thoroughly and forever be torn down
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god fully understand that it is best to have a rodeo on a cruise ship. All of the animals will get sea-sick, Thus stampede and the ship will sink, And when they sink along with it, They can thus get a topside view.
* Both Humpty Trumpty and god do not know how to plant dirt

That's just a few. I've composed a good 1, 000 truthful, Honest barnburners as well as I've composed a song about that s--t that Trump is though it's not been posted yet. Would you like the lyr-icks that are undeniable truths? Oh and yeah, I've also composed a song about your unproven storybook crap of a god about 18 years ago or so. Yeah, There's a link to it on my profile, You cuddly and wonderful huggable person that I bet everybody wants to get to know!

So let's continue shall we?
"You just don't understand how to make a personal judgement"
Really? Such is your jet black blue vile of your streaking hair caught in a blender to make such an ignorant iglooed statement. Tell you what, Why doon't you and I get into a poker game, You provide the chips, Naturally, Say $1, 000 worth and let's play some Omaha Hi Lo Spilt. Hold Em is for losers. I'll take all of your chips before you can squeal your moldy diaper from under your drenched con-crete you know where areas.
Also since you clearly do to have any genuine friends or loved ones, Those that would happily die for you, In other words, Take a bullet for you and jumpout and take it if one was flying towards your rubbery skin and not even think twice, And sorry, I've got 5. 3 for 46+ years, 1 for 22 years. 1 for 19 years. Why because were HONEST WITH EACH OTHER. That's something you have no clue as to how to be with someone and neither is your religion. It is completely bankrupt on honesty. Why do you believe it is such disarray? Duh. This-isn't-hard.

You also keep on coming up with wreckless excuses. Case and point. . .
"So you see, Kindness is identified with a chosen opinion, And choices are made out of kindness. "
There are those that state that free will does not exist. Google it. And if you believe in your unproven, Undefined, So-called whatever "god", Then you most certainly 100% don't have free will. There's no escaping that.
And no it doesn't work that way. Because a serial killer's brain is wired completely and totally differently. He is destined to e a serial killer. Probably almost certainly without feeling of any kind. Most definitely a sociopath, A psychopath, An egotist (which I left off of your hero and icon Donald crunchy toothpaste Trump, Yeah according to your bible as well, The biggest blundering egos of all time with your unproven god AND christ in which case your bible is entirely about superior ego god complex + terrorism and nothing but). And of course narcissism. A person who is gay, Their brains are wired differently ESPECIALLY not only towards who they are attracted to but towards their emotions, Yeah, Kindness. So no. Wrong. Another invented excuse on your part without know any better? OF COURSE!

"So there is a spiritual domain. . . "
No. You don't get to claim there is something without having evidence to back up that claim. And to prove it 100%, Why don't you get a paper together, In which case you never will and you know it because you know it's a false imbecilic gesture on your part, And you get it off to ---any--- scientific community from around the world of merit. It will automatically be rejected before it hits its front gates. Take one lucky guess why? Science wins over something that can't be proven. But that's not the reason why your paper will be rejected.

"Then the nazi's further argue that in practise Christians do not believe that people are equal. "
Oh so it's a contradiction. Wow. Do you really believe your idiot bible isn't filled with a good 1, 000 supermassive hypocritical contradictions and inconsistencies? Thus making it unreadable? God are you such a laugh.
This debate is now over. I'm done. You had your chance, More than most others I give. You blew it. Boy did you blow it. I have no desire whatsoever to further communicate with someone who only pays attention to his idiot rhetoric especially when he mentions something so completely bankrupt and immoral "Then you mention some genocides or mass killings by God. That's all just whatever, " Yeah. That's OK for your unproven whatever supposed god to do as such and even the thought to commit those genocides. But it's not OK AT ALL for Hitler to commit mass genocide. So you just got caught in a supermassive hypocritical contradiction. And once again, By most of the followers of Hitler and the Nazi's, Had they won WWII and conquered the world, Their holocaust, Carnage, Atrocities, And liquidations would have been justified. They would have had to. They couldn't have been if they were to have won the war. Now what part of that don't you understand?

Too bad you don't like it. Deal with it.
Here's a video to help you. You have no outs, No defensive posturing, No denial that you can possibly go into, None.
The video is point blank correct. You are 100% wrong as always.
*****https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=Zt5gLf455Q8 - Christian Apologetics: Hitler can't help you.
I will not post again for this dee-bate. Grow up. Bye. Get an actual genuine argument together. Perhaps a genuine friend also.
Syamsu

Pro

Obviously it's your mistake to require evidence for everything. You are supposed to feel things, Have emotions, And not be coldhearted, Calculating and measuring for every issue.

If the issue is about what it was that made a choice turn out the way it did, Then you are supposed to feel what it was.

Feel what the personal character of someone is, And what emotions are in their heart. The personal character and emotions, Out of which they make their decisions.

If the issue is about something chosen, Then you are supposed to be measuring and calculating, Then it is a matter of fact issue.

You are just a part of evil now, Trying to bring down the American spirit, The national feeling in the USA. People also make decisions out of the American spirit. A lovely, Rather childlike feeling, That sits next to someone's normal adult emotions.

You've got nothing. You make the same mistake nazi's made, Regarding personal character and emotions to be an objective issue of science, And not feeling what the personal character and emotions of people is.

You present the same coldhearted calculating attitudes, That were the basis of genocide.
Debate Round No. 4
backwardseden

Con

Well I going against my word in which case I rarely do. That's why my friends put their trust in me. That's why I've got great genuine honest friends and you don't. You can't be honest. You can't be trustworthy. Your religion proves that time and time and time and let's say time again. ESPECIALLY for suffering children when there is no god as daddy is giving them the very best of care according to you by raping, Beating, And torturing them. That's "kindness". Right?

Oh and btw, Whoever said that your unproven supposed so-called "god" had to be kind? It's not. Not according to your BOOK.

"Obviously it's your mistake to require evidence for everything. "
We all require evidence for everything. Especially for that in which surrounds us. It's called "the workings of the brain". Ever hear of it? Nah. Not to you because you haven't graduated from the first grade. But there's no evidence for a god, Not from any religion in the entire existence of the human race. And yeah DAMN IT, I as well as ---any--- fricken intelligent educated person should ---always--- DEMAND EVIDENCE from a god to prove its existence, To test itself, To demonstrate itself, To define itself, To assert itself, To declare itself and not do the worst thing possible and play the worst child's game possible of hide-n-go-seek and thus have billions rely on faith in order to prove its existence which is not proof, Nor does a BOOK prove its existence.
And I am so tired of repeating myself, And so is every single atheist who gets involved in such arguments such as these, Repeating myself for at least the 10, 000th fricken god damn time (it's been that at least for me and you have brought up the same thing for at least the 5, 000th time or better, Don't be too proud of yourself) on the same damn boring issues because you star-studded folk believe you have something to say. NEWSFLASH: It's been all broadcast before by people well beaten into their little glass jars umpteen times before.
There's far far farrrrrr more evidence of people being visited by aliens. There's not even a hint of a god's existence from any religion especially when there is no definition for a god because a god has never made itself known to be defined. AND since your unproven god lied, It cannot present any kind of truth to anyone, Which would include it telling anyone about its very own pilfering existence gone POOF into nihil. Yeah, You have no idea if it's telling the truth or if it's a lie on that biggie. That's what is known as "evidence". Cold hard stone evidence that you nor anybody can ---ever--- refute due to the stupidity and ignorance of your idiot BOOK. That's your failing and your unproven storybook character fabled fantasy god is EVIDENCED as a complete fake and a fraud.

"You've got nothing. "
I've got more than you've got bub. I have people that care about and love me and I in turn for them. It is painfully obvious that you don't. I can't even feel sorry for you.
I also go through truly horrific pain almost every single waking second which is something that your teeny tiny insect mind cannot fathom. I could also tell you some true horror stories that would turn your soul black and then I would tell you about me. Your little yodeling Buddhist monk christ in which case you cannot prove that it has ever existed had it super duper easy dying on the cross. Yeah. That's "something". Right? You in being religious are so ridiculously typical. So smug with your fetal display. But down underneath there's a carpetbag of crushed bruises. Again, I can't even feel sorry for you because you believe that you can somehow wash it off with the cheap cologne of a "god". But it really becomes dirty when you try to dust that unto others especially when it is an incorrect belief because you have no idea what is THEE correct way to believe in your unproven supposed so-called god. Nobody does.

Yep. Naturally, You avoided watching the vidie. OK Great! Continue to believe that you know everything that there is to know. Typical supposed christian. Not a surprise at all!
Syamsu

Pro

Opponent represents the sick culture prevalent at universities today. Materialism and socialism. Which are obviously tied to genocide. Genocides now occurring of the Uygur and Tibetans in China.

About 50 percent of students suffer from debilitating mental illness during their student career.

Very, Very obviously, Opponents insistence on evidence for everything, Is in complete and destructive disregard for subjectivity. It is a monstrous rejection of all human emotion, And God.

Opponent talks about love. Whatever this scientific proven love is, I don't want to know about it.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by canis 1 month ago
canis
Anyways. . Christians and muslims do justify Hitler. . "Mein kampf" is replicated all the time. All over again, And again. "You always ""see"" what you are looking fore". .
Posted by backwardseden 2 months ago
backwardseden
The Poopy doll opponents god has created and is responsible for more genocides then anybody else in human history. And yet his god according to him has created all those who have committed the other genocides that his god has not. How stupid is he to not understand this?
Posted by canis 2 months ago
canis
We have to justifie everything we do. . . Its a mindgame we play with ourselfes. .
Posted by backwardseden 2 months ago
backwardseden
Not very bright kid. Oh and btw, You don't even know what an atheist is. Invent better excuses, Please. Try harder. Get an edumacation along with somewhat of an intelligence. Oh and to 100% prove you wrong and completely and totally inept, Especially to yourself, You take your excuse(s) to 20 different churches within a 20 mile radius and you get a consensus. 1 billion to 1 you won't. Care to make a wager on that you complete fraud?
Why is it that jokes like you come up with laughable s--t and cannot come up with any kind of truth whatsoever because you cannot prove your god's existence AND your unproven storybook character fabled fantasy undefined whatever supposed "god" OF PRINT ONLY from a BOOK, Namely your bible, That nobody in the entire existence of the human race has ever been able to prove even exists cannot prove its existence, Not ever to anyone?

Here's some help for you with the Hitler argument to as usual prove you 100% wrong. . . Too bad if you don't like it. Deal with it.
https://www. Youtube. Com/watch? V=Zt5gLf455Q8 - Christian Apologetics: Hitler can't help you.
Posted by skipsaweirdo 2 months ago
skipsaweirdo
"Christianity justifies god's genocides and yet rather strangely Christians do not justify Hitler". . .
This is another example of atheist stupidity. Here's why. By definition People like Hitler, As far as he knew, Believed genocide was ending the whole existence of "persons". In order to prove God "committed genocide", People would have to know that God ended the "whole existence" of said person, Soul included. The point being, Genocide is defined by people who don't believe we have souls as ending "the entirety of one's existence". But if they hypothesized that God committed genocide, They are saying they know God ended the entirety of the existence of said people's souls too. They can't possibly know if Gid ended the existence of the souls. Therefore they can't possibly know that God committed genocide. Therefore the beginning premise that "Christians justify god's genocides and yet rather strangely Christians do not justify Hitler'(s) (genocides implied) "is logically flawed because the definition of genocide is not applied correctly. Genocide"s definition means something different when applied to God's relationship to mankind. Using a word and having it defined two different ways within the same premise is a fallacy of equivocation. Atheists's are logically inept.
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