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dairygirl4u2c
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Ragnar_Rahl
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comprehensive factors to be considered in policy making

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Started: 2/28/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 14 years ago Status: Voting Period
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dairygirl4u2c

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when making effective policies like welfare, unemployment, health care... one that compromises liberal and conservative values, the common factors that must be considered are hte following generally:

personal responsibility

freedom to fail

equal opportuinty

a basic minimum, at least if you're working

subsidiarity
finding the right level of government

solidarity:
charities role v government's role (balancing capitalism v socialism)

i am arguing that this frame work gives a comprehensive list of things that must be considered in the policy making

i acknowledge this debate is a little abstract. honestly i'm looking for any major fact that one might reasonably add to this (so not talking about things like communism etc since it's not a balance of typical con and liberal), but am willing to do this in debate form.
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Ragnar_Rahl

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"effective policies like welfare, unemployment, health care"

Those are not effective policies. The only effective policy on such issues is a no.

A policy that "comprises liberal and conservative values" is a contradictory policy if liberal and conservative are to have any meaning whatsoever.

For example:

" basic minimum, at least if you're working

personal responsibility"

contradiction.

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subsidiarity"
Subsidiarity is not a value or a principle. It is an attempt to substitute for them. The lowest competent authority might be competent- to oppress human beings. To pass the matter off to such an authority is suicide.

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charities role v government's role (balancing capitalism v socialism)"

There can be no "balance" between socialism and capitalism. There can only be a war of aggression by socialism against capitalism (e.g. like the one waged by the Keynesian government of the United States). Values like capitalism do not and cannot brook compromise, the only compromise between food and poison is death.

The only proper considerations in a government's policy are "What are an individual's rights?" and "How can the government best provide the service of retaliation against rights' violators without itself violating rights?
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dairygirl4u2c

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Ragnar_Rahl

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Forfeits are generally not recognized as one of the ten habits of highly successful debaters. For a reason.
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dairygirl4u2c

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they are not contradictions.

these are only general policy factors. if you look at them as either/or, then you are the one who does not comprehend what these factors are good for.

for example. if the government gets in the health business for those making not enough to afford it, and insists on large co pays to entice shopping around.... then a basic minimum is being given, and personal responsiblity is being employed.

your analogy does not fit, that this is like mixing poison with food.
to say either/or has no basis in reality, most of the time.
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Ragnar_Rahl

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for example. if the government gets in the health business for those making not enough to afford it, and insists on large co pays to entice shopping around.... then a basic minimum is being given, and personal responsiblity is being employed.
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No, personal responsibility is not being "employed." Personal responsibility means that you are the only party responsible for your health care. That "basic minimum" is an abandonment of the notion of responsibility- because it provides something to people when they have not earned it. It abandons the notion of liberty- because it has to enslave one party to pay for the health of another. It is an attempt to reverse causality, by putting the distribution before the production.

Capitalism is the principle that man shall receive what he has produced, socialism that man shall receive what he has not. Socialism therefore puts the brakes on production. Production being necessary to life as food, and it's negation being as deadly as poison, the analogy is apt. The beneficiary of mixing socialism and capitalism is the former, and thereby death.
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Posted by cheekyhobo 14 years ago
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"Forfeits are generally not recognized as one of the ten habits of highly successful debaters. For a reason." lol!
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