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god has no moral compass

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Started: 7/4/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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Taken from "Dossier of Reason"

1. God Created everything (Prov 26:10, Col 1:16) including evil. Isa 45:7, Amos 3:6, Lam 3:38
2. God is unquestionably just and righteous in all of his works Duet 32:4, Dan 9:14
3. God should be feared because he can send you to hell Matt 10:28, Luke 12:5, Heb 10:31
4. God causes blindness, deafness and dumbness Ex 4:11
5. God causes suffering so that his great works can be demonstrated John 9:1-9, 11:4, Isa 30:20, Ezek 38:16
6. God Kills Deut 32:29, 1 Sam 2:6
7. God causes rain, tempest, drought and hurricanes Job 5:10, 37:2-12, Isa 30:30, 42:15, Matt 5:45
8. God sends lying spirits and deceives prophets before destroying them 1 Kings 22:19-23, 2 Thess 2:11, Ezek 14:9, Num 23:19, 1 Sam 15:29, Tit 1:2
9. God hates violence of mankind so he violently destroys all life Gen 6:11-13, Ezek 8:17
10. God rejoices in the destruction of sinners Deut 28:63, Ps 37:13, Pr 1:26
11. God sends evil spirits 1 Sam 16:14, 18:10, 19:9, Judge 9:23
12. God tempts and can lead mankind into temptation Gen 22:1, Matt 6:13
13. God tried to kill moses Ex 4:24
14. God assists manslaughter Ex 21:13
15. God stirs up jealousy Isa 42:13, Deut 32:21
16. God Sends false prophets to test people Deut 13:1-3
17. God gives false laws, commandments and statutes. Ezek 20:25-26
18. Sends delusions and lies so that people might be damned 2 Thess 2:11-12, Isa 6:9-12, Mk 4:12
19. Lists punishments, including cannibalism, he will carry out to disobedient Lev 26, Deut 28
20. Sends locusts and pests to eat crops Joel 2:25
21. Becomes angry when Saul doesn"t kill enough 1 Sam 15:18-19, 28:18
22. Ends a famine after seven innocent men are hanged 2 Sam 21 (v14)
23. God is Jealous Ex 20:5, Num 25:11, Deut 5:9, Josh 24:19
24. Repents Gen 6:6, Ex 32:14, 1 Sam 15:11, 35, 2 Sam 24:16, Jonah 3:10, Jer 18:10, Joel 2:13
25. God demands blood as a sacrifice Lev 3:2, 4:6-7, Gen 8:21, Lev 1:9, Ezek 20:40-41
26. God"s sword is covered with blood and greasy fat Isa 34:6
27. God belches fire and smoke in anger Ps 18:7-8, 15
28. God has commanded drunkeness Jer 25:27
29. God rewards fools and transgressors Prov 26:10
30. Kills Uzzah for trying to steady the ark 1 Chron 13:10, 2 Sam 6:7
31. Allows David to choose the punishment inflicted on the people for David"s sin 2 Sam 24:11-13
32. Tricks David into a census and then vents his anger on the people, killing 70,000 2 Sam 24:1
33. Hardens pharaoh"s heart so that he can punish him and his people and commands moses to threaten pharaoh with murder Ex 4:21-23, 7:3, 13, 10:1
34. God hardens people"s hearts Rom 9:18
35. Considers the handicap, illegitimate children and their descendants, or men with injured genitalia inferior and unworthy to enter the congregation . Lev 21:17-23, Deut 23:1-2
36. God uses his chosen people to punish other nations Ps 149:5-9
37. God punishes many for the sins of one, the innocent are punished for the guilty, especially their guilty ancestors Deut 28:41; Gen 9:24-25, 20:7,18, Ex 12:29, 20:5, 34:7, Num 16, Deut 5:9, 23:2, 28:32, 41, Josh 7:8-26, 22:20, 2 Kings 5:27, Isa 14:21, Ezek 23:25, 46-47, Mal 1:2-4, Jer 31:29-30, Hos 2:4-5, Rom 5:14, also Adam's Fall generally in NT)
38. God will punish the men by causing their wives to be ravished and their children to be "dashed to pieces" (Isa 13:16, 18, Zech 14:2, Nah 3:10)
39. God's punishment of entire nations or cities by destroying every living thing naturally includes the destruction of babies and unborn embryos (e.g. Isa 34, the Flood, the plagues on Egypt, Sodom; Jesus also: Matt 11:20-24).
40. God will cause adultery as punishment (Deut 28:30).
41. God will cause drunkenness as punishment (Jer 13:12-13).
42. God will "spread dung upon your faces" as punishment (Mal 2:3).
43. God punishes one third of the human race (the descendents of Ham) because one man's nakedness was seen by his son (Gen 9:24-25).
44. God punishes Pharaoh and Abimelech because of Abraham's lie about Sarah. Abraham is not punished for lying (Gen 12:14-20, 20:18).
45. God turns Lot's wife into salt for looking back (Gen 19:26).
46. God kills for Onan for "spilling his seed on the ground" (Gen 38:10).
47. God endorses Judah condemning Tamar to death by burning for harlotry (Gen 38:24).
48. God kills all of Egypt's firstborn, including animals, to punish Pharaoh (Ex 12:29).
49. God will punish an animal with death if it grazes on the mountain while he is there (Ex 19:12)
50. Miriam is made a leper temporarily for speaking against Moses (Num 12:1-10), but Aaron, who was equally guilty, is not punished.
51. God punishes the Israelites for complaining about their food, first by sending fire to kill them (Num 11:1), then by sending poisonous snakes to kill many (Num 21:4-6).
52. God punishes the Israelites with plague for eating the quails he sent (Num 11:33).
53. God kills Korah and 250 others, with their families, because they questioned Moses' authority (Num 16:1-40).
54. God kills another 14,700 by plague, for murmuring against the punishment of Korah (Num 16:41-50).
55. Nadab and Abihu are burnt to death for offering "strange fire" (Lev 10:1-5).
56. Achan and his children and animals are burned to death for Achan's crime of keeping booty (Josh 7:8-26).
57. God smites a whole city with hemorrhoids as punishment for taking the ark (1 Sam 5:6-9).
58. God kills 50,000 men of Beth-shemesh because they looked into the Ark (1 Sam 6:19).
59. God kills Nabal for refusing to be extorted by David and gives David Nabal's wife (1 Sam 25:38).
60. God kills David's child in order to punish David (2 Sam 12:15-18).
61. God will punish David by giving his wives to another to enjoy in public view (2 Sam 12:11-12).
62. God does not punish Solomon for Solomon's sin, but punishes Solomon's son (1 Kings 11:9-12).
63. God kills a prophet for believing a lie told by another prophet of God (1 Kings 13).
64. God causes a lion to kill a man because he refused to strike a prophet when commanded (1 Kings 20:35-36).
65. God causes 42 children to be killed by bears because they tease Elisha about his baldness (2 Kings 2:23-24).
66. God caused cannibalism as a punishment (Lam 4:9-11, 2 Kings 6:26-29).
67. God will punish Samaria by allowing their infants to be dashed to pieces and their pregnant women to be ripped up (Hos 13:16).
68. God strikes a sorcerer with blindness for trying to dissuade a
potential convert (Acts 13:6-12).
69. God causes infant sacrifice (Ezek 20:26).
70. God is a "man of war" and causes war between people for his glory. (Ex 15:3 Deut 3:22 2 Sam 22:35, Ps 18:34, 144:1 Ps 24:8 Ezek 38:16, 23)

Prove that god is moral and refute the verses above

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God did not create evil, He gave humans and angels free will, and we mess it up. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God Romans 3:23, God is faithful, read Hosea. I have cursed God, and He forgave mne when I repented. God is love 1 John 4:8, neither you nor I hould blame Him for our problems, but seek first the kingdom of God, and all these things shall be added unto you. I have been a sinner, but I love Jesus because He is the faithful God in human flesh who was tortured to death for all repentant sinners who confess Him as risen Lord. I have failed my God so many times I should not be alive, but He is the God who serves, He is the same yesterday, today, and forever, Hebrews 13:8, He will never leave you nor forsake you, v 5, and He is the number ONE LOVE of my eternal life, peace!
Debate Round No. 1


I'm not debating you again, sorry, especially when you happen to be 100% wrong as always. "God did not create evil" Really? Absolutely 100% YOUR god created evil and he freely admitted it. IS 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Now what part of that DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? "AND---CREATE---EVIL. Oh wait, let me guess, you like the typical christian, you CAN'T READ. Tough. "read hosea"? Um no why don't YOU read YOUR bible in which YOUR god would NOT be stupid enough to use text so YOU would get it wrong as text is the worst form of communication possible. Um no why don't you get off your lard a$$ and read YOUR bible. YOUR god, in which you cannot even prove even exists freely admitted HE IS EVIL. You are the type of person that if someone were to agree on EXACTLY what you were to say and think, you would still manage to find fault with that person. Hell you cannot even take YOUR god at his word as proved and even more proof of that is...
2 SAM 12: 11-14 sick and disgusting, EX 32:14, 1 KS 1 22: 22-23, 2 CR 18:22, JM 19:3, JM 19:15, JM 23:12, AM 3:6, DT 30:15, 2 KS 22:16, JU 9:23, PV 15:3 But nah, I know there's not a chance in this world you will look those verses up because you know ---everything--- that there is to know about your god.
WE ARE DONE! Don't bother posting me back and inventing yet another one of your monstrous excuses. K? I am officially blocking you. You didn't even look at the verses posted to absolutely 100% prove YOUR god's immorality. You instead did a round-about and invented your own miserable whacked out versions of nothingness and complete void that has 0 to do with the topic because you CANNOT in no possible way, pay any attention whatsoever to what your god, much less your christ has said from cheapened blank pieces of paper and thus prov, not ever, that either of them has ever existed.
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8 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 8 records.
Posted by Considerthefollowing 3 years ago
Civiltube, he just did not like it when you ignored the evidence and kept harping on about the bible and stuff. If he created us, the means he created that murderer.
Posted by Considerthefollowing 3 years ago
Civiltube, he just did not like it when you ignored the evidence and kept harping on about the bible and stuff
Posted by Considerthefollowing 3 years ago
civiltube, I saw your argument, that is not true
Posted by Considerthefollowing 3 years ago
Posted by Considerthefollowing 3 years ago
backwardseden has lots of points.
Posted by CivilTube 3 years ago
People are throwing shade! Guys, don't feel bad for little old Michael. He's just salty cause no one enjoys talking to him on a level of friendship unless it's about how dumb God is. His entire life is disproving God. Just let him have this one.
Posted by TrenchWarfare737 3 years ago
The poster sounds like he making a rap sheet against The One True God.

In my eyes it was extremely funny and satiric that The Instigator lists these things as supposedly showing God has no compass.... i just loved the Bible highlight reel.

At least be an agnostic, atheism is embarrassing.
Posted by asta 3 years ago
Can you debate about something other than religion?
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