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backwardseden
Pro (for)
The Contender
kyleniel
Con (against)

god has no moral compass

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Started: 8/11/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Debating Period
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backwardseden

Pro

Here is underlying proof from the immoral bible, That god, In which no one can even prove exists, Has no moral compass.
1. God Created everything (Prov 26:10, Col 1:16) including evil. Isa 45:7, Amos 3:6, Lam 3:38
2. God is unquestionably just and righteous in all of his works Duet 32:4, Dan 9:14
3. God should be feared because he can send you to hell Matt 10:28, Luke 12:5, Heb 10:31
4. God causes blindness, Deafness and dumbness Ex 4:11
5. God causes suffering so that his great works can be demonstrated John 9:1-9, 11:4, Isa 30:20, Ezek 38:16
6. God Kills Deut 32:29, 1 Sam 2:6
7. God causes rain, Tempest, Drought and hurricanes Job 5:10, 37:2-12, Isa 30:30, 42:15, Matt 5:45
8. God sends lying spirits and deceives prophets before destroying them 1 Kings 22:19-23, 2 Thess 2:11, Ezek 14:9, Num 23:19, 1 Sam 15:29, Tit 1:2
9. God hates violence of mankind so he violently destroys all life Gen 6:11-13, Ezek 8:17
10. God rejoices in the destruction of sinners Deut 28:63, Ps 37:13, Pr 1:26
11. God sends evil spirits 1 Sam 16:14, 18:10, 19:9, Judge 9:23
12. God tempts and can lead mankind into temptation Gen 22:1, Matt 6:13
13. God tried to kill moses Ex 4:24
14. God assists manslaughter Ex 21:13
15. God stirs up jealousy Isa 42:13, Deut 32:21
16. God Sends false prophets to test people Deut 13:1-3
17. God gives false laws, Commandments and statutes. Ezek 20:25-26
18. Sends delusions and lies so that people might be damned 2 Thess 2:11-12, Isa 6:9-12, Mk 4:12
19. Lists punishments, Including cannibalism, He will carry out to disobedient Lev 26, Deut 28
20. Sends locusts and pests to eat crops Joel 2:25
21. Becomes angry when Saul doesn"t kill enough 1 Sam 15:18-19, 28:18
22. Ends a famine after seven innocent men are hanged 2 Sam 21 (v14)
23. God is Jealous Ex 20:5, Num 25:11, Deut 5:9, Josh 24:19
24. Repents Gen 6:6, Ex 32:14, 1 Sam 15:11, 35, 2 Sam 24:16, Jonah 3:10, Jer 18:10, Joel 2:13
25. God demands blood as a sacrifice Lev 3:2, 4:6-7, Gen 8:21, Lev 1:9, Ezek 20:40-41
26. God"s sword is covered with blood and greasy fat Isa 34:6
27. God belches fire and smoke in anger Ps 18:7-8, 15
28. God has commanded drunkeness Jer 25:27
29. God rewards fools and transgressors Prov 26:10
30. Kills Uzzah for trying to steady the ark 1 Chron 13:10, 2 Sam 6:7
31. Allows David to choose the punishment inflicted on the people for David"s sin 2 Sam 24:11-13
32. Tricks David into a census and then vents his anger on the people, Killing 70, 000 2 Sam 24:1
33. Hardens pharaoh"s heart so that he can punish him and his people and commands moses to threaten pharaoh with murder Ex 4:21-23, 7:3, 13, 10:1
34. God hardens people"s hearts Rom 9:18
35. Considers the handicap, Illegitimate children and their descendants, Or men with injured genitalia inferior and unworthy to enter the congregation. Lev 21:17-23, Deut 23:1-2
36. God uses his chosen people to punish other nations Ps 149:5-9
37. God punishes many for the sins of one, The innocent are punished for the guilty, Especially their guilty ancestors Deut 28:41; Gen 9:24-25, 20:7, 18, Ex 12:29, 20:5, 34:7, Num 16, Deut 5:9, 23:2, 28:32, 41, Josh 7:8-26, 22:20, 2 Kings 5:27, Isa 14:21, Ezek 23:25, 46-47, Mal 1:2-4, Jer 31:29-30, Hos 2:4-5, Rom 5:14, Also Adam's Fall generally in NT)
38. God will punish the men by causing their wives to be ravished and their children to be "dashed to pieces" (Isa 13:16, 18, Zech 14:2, Nah 3:10)
39. God's punishment of entire nations or cities by destroying every living thing naturally includes the destruction of babies and unborn embryos (e. G. Isa 34, The Flood, The plagues on Egypt, Sodom; Jesus also: Matt 11:20-24).
40. God will cause adultery as punishment (Deut 28:30).
41. God will cause drunkenness as punishment (Jer 13:12-13).
42. God will "spread dung upon your faces" as punishment (Mal 2:3).
43. God punishes one third of the human race (the descendents of Ham) because one man's nakedness was seen by his son (Gen 9:24-25).
44. God punishes Pharaoh and Abimelech because of Abraham's lie about Sarah. Abraham is not punished for lying (Gen 12:14-20, 20:18).
45. God turns Lot's wife into salt for looking back (Gen 19:26).
46. God kills for Onan for "spilling his seed on the ground" (Gen 38:10).
47. God endorses Judah condemning Tamar to death by burning for harlotry (Gen 38:24).
48. God kills all of Egypt's firstborn, Including animals, To punish Pharaoh (Ex 12:29).
49. God will punish an animal with death if it grazes on the mountain while he is there (Ex 19:12)
50. Miriam is made a leper temporarily for speaking against Moses (Num 12:1-10), But Aaron, Who was equally guilty, Is not punished.
51. God punishes the Israelites for complaining about their food, First by sending fire to kill them (Num 11:1), Then by sending poisonous snakes to kill many (Num 21:4-6).
52. God punishes the Israelites with plague for eating the quails he sent (Num 11:33).
53. God kills Korah and 250 others, With their families, Because they questioned Moses' authority (Num 16:1-40).
54. God kills another 14, 700 by plague, For murmuring against the punishment of Korah (Num 16:41-50).
55. Nadab and Abihu are burnt to death for offering "strange fire" (Lev 10:1-5).
56. Achan and his children and animals are burned to death for Achan's crime of keeping booty (Josh 7:8-26).
57. God smites a whole city with hemorrhoids as punishment for taking the ark (1 Sam 5:6-9).
58. God kills 50, 000 men of Beth-shemesh because they looked into the Ark (1 Sam 6:19).
59. God kills Nabal for refusing to be extorted by David and gives David Nabal's wife (1 Sam 25:38).
60. God kills David's child in order to punish David (2 Sam 12:15-18).
61. God will punish David by giving his wives to another to enjoy in public view (2 Sam 12:11-12).
62. God does not punish Solomon for Solomon's sin, But punishes Solomon's son (1 Kings 11:9-12).
63. God kills a prophet for believing a lie told by another prophet of God (1 Kings 13).
64. God causes a lion to kill a man because he refused to strike a prophet when commanded (1 Kings 20:35-36).
65. God causes 42 children to be killed by bears because they tease Elisha about his baldness (2 Kings 2:23-24).
66. God caused cannibalism as a punishment (Lam 4:9-11, 2 Kings 6:26-29).
67. God will punish Samaria by allowing their infants to be dashed to pieces and their pregnant women to be ripped up (Hos 13:16).
68. God strikes a sorcerer with blindness for trying to dissuade a
potential convert (Acts 13:6-12).
69. God causes infant sacrifice (Ezek 20:26).
70. God is a "man of war" and causes war between people for his glory. (Ex 15:3 Deut 3:22 2 Sam 22:35, Ps 18:34, 144:1 Ps 24:8 Ezek 38:16, 23)

(Taken from Dossier of Reason)

RULES:
Prove that god is moral and refute the verses above (refute at least 10 of the verses above and prove that there is god's love within them)

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kyleniel

Con

1. He did it as a test of humanity. It allows the true good to become good.
2. And?
3. Fear in the bible is not meant as fear used today, Used as a word more about respect. Plus, Doesn't evil fear good?
4. Please refer to 1.
5. Please refer to 1.
6. This is more about your interpretation of good and evil. They could've had it coming in God's eyes, And maybe he's correct in those views. Your main argument for this point is that you see these acts as evil when they could have been righteous.
7. Please refer to 1 and 6.
8. Please refer to 6.
9. He could've meant unjust violence.
10. Please refer to 6.
11. Please refer to 6 and 1.
12. Please refer to 1.
13. Please refer to 6.
14. Please refer to 6.
15. Please refer to 6 and 1.
16. Please refer to 1.
17. Please refer to 1.
18. Please refer to 6.
19. Please refer to 6.
20. Please refer to 6.
21. Please refer to 6.
22. Were they innocent by your standards or God's standards? Either way, Please refer to 6.
23. Please refer to 6.
24. This more about God making mistakes rather than being immoral.
25. Please refer to 6.
26. Please refer to 6.
27. Please refer to 6.
28. Please refer to 6.
29. That's not what that quote means.
30. Please refer to 6.
31. Please refer to 6.
32. Please refer to 6.
33. Probably needed to punish him harder.
34. Please refer to 33.
35. Please refer to 6.
36, Please refer to 6.
37. Please refer to 6.
38. Please refer to 37.
40, Please refer to 6.
41. Please refer to 6.
42. Please refer to 6.
43. Please refer to 6.
44. Please refer to 6 for the pharaoh. In Abraham's case, He did it for safety.
45. Please refer to 6.
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48. Please refer to 6.
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60. Please refer to 6.
61. Please refer to 6.
62. Please refer to 6. Also, A father would die before his child would.
63. Please refer to 6.
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66. Please refer to 6.
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68. Please refer to 6.
69. Please refer to 67.
70. Please refer to 6.

Seriously, Dude, A good chunk of your arguments crumble at point 6.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

Typical 17 year old christian crap that speaks from his a$$ held high from granny farts at a nuclear silo as his cabbage batbrain is held between his jock strap to catch his yodeling grunge country opera nun's pep rally as he jump starts his battery powered easy bake oven so he can learn to bake and fry water. Yeah yah can't READ, Just like nearly every---single---christian here on DDO. What does RD1 say Mr. Christian smarty pink panty punk puke? Why it says. . . "(Taken from Dossier of Reason)" So since you constantly said "your", It not "mine" you pipsqueak mousey teeny bopper high schooler with no edumacation WHO CAN'T READ. Its the Dossier of Reason who happens to be correct. And you happen to be incorrect and thus show yourself to be completely immoral just like YOUR god. And yah know what? I only looked at a few of YOUR comparisons and hookups or whatever yah wish to call them to realize this. Oh but herb everything! You cannot even prove that YOUR god even exists! Now go to beddy bye.
kyleniel

Con

That is the stupidest thing I've read all weekend. You've just insulted me without adding anything to the table. You also added some other stuff that needs some more proof.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

The Dossier of Reason is proof. You are an insult. You didn't even dream, Nor think about sizing up about your s--t to #'s1 and 6 from which is what your freeze dried brain nitpicked at for the most part to prove how ignorant and shallow and completely IMMORAL you are as you spit on the human race just like your god in which you cannot even prove even exists.
kyleniel

Con

I froze at 1 and 6 because that's where the majority of your points fall short. I believe you said the quotes were from the dossier of reason, And I refuted your points already, So I guess your dossier isn't correct in this scenario. On a somewhat unrelated note, You seem to be more fanatical toward this dossier than I do towards the bible.
Debate Round No. 3
backwardseden

Pro

OK I'm done. There's no chance that you are 17 years old, But must be 14 years old or less. You have certainly proven that unless you have a 0% capability to comprehend what anybody says to you imn which would mean that you have no genuine friends or loved ones. Now you go back and you look at what I told you. Goo goo ga ga. Wow. You don't even understand simpleton nursery rhymes. Yep you proved you are 14 or less with your 14 year old comment in stating "I froze at 1 and 6" and I stopped reading from there because there is no reasoning and none reasons that you can give. Nothing more need be said as both 1 & 6 by their outlines alone proves that YOUR god, In which you cannot even prove even exists, Are completely immoral and bankrupt and thus by you agreeing with them, It proves that you are completely immoral and bankrupt also.
kyleniel

Con

Look, I explained my points, So now you're insulting me instead of using logic. Even if I lack the CAPACITY to comprehend others, You still failed to make a good point. Also, I am seventeen, And even if I wasn't, I would still have more emotional control than you would. Have a nice day.

P. S. Look up a list of logical fallacies. I'll make it easy for you.

https://en. Wikipedia. Org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
@IQ32
Shlimazel, Yiddish for a person cursed with bad luck, What's the definition of "Tender Love? " Two gays with hemorrhoids.
Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
@IQ32
When you were born, The police arrested your dad, The doctor slapped your mom, Animal control euthanized your brother, And A&E made a documentary that saved your life. At birth your mother cried out: "With a face like yours, I wish I was blind. "
Posted by 32doni32nido32 3 years ago
32doni32nido32
@mosc

Oh gosh, Don't refer to me as "dude". Just. . . No.
Well, My birth mother kind of did sell me to the circus; my adoptive parents bought me for the whopping price of $0. 00 and now I live in a house full of other weirdos.
In my country, There are no circuses. Now, If someone were as internally AND externally ugly as you, They would be put to death. :D Unfortunately, You weren't born in my country so I guess that won't be happening.
Posted by 32doni32nido32 3 years ago
32doni32nido32
@mosc

I stood in line for GOOD looks but then you came along and I had to stay even longer; everyone who saw you needed SOMETHING that was attractive in order to recover from your severe lack of beauty.
I actually didn't think God said "books"; I thought he said "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanocaniosis" so I guess you're wrong again. Looking back on it, Maybe he didn't. It could've just been one big sneeze. A lot of dust gathers up in those temple corners, You know.
Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
@sharing yes i realizes the butt ugly dude sought to make a put down. But frankly being born that ugly his parents should have put him down or sold him to the circus.
Posted by SHARINGISCARINGg 3 years ago
SHARINGISCARINGg
@mosc, When he said "I have to confess that I lied, " he obviously meant it as an insult. If you were to read the sentence immediately after that, You would know.
Posted by mosc 3 years ago
mosc
@32doni32nido32 "I have to confess that I lied".

Xtians and lies go well together. That you believe in an imaginary man who died on a stick HaHaHa that's funny. When you stood in line for looks, You thought God said books, So you asked for a funny one.
Posted by backwardseden 3 years ago
backwardseden
@32doni32nido32 Whoopsido. There goes Kent_Hovind in action spamming one of my debates again. He's a child and a true piece of s--t. Http://www. Debate. Org/debates/Report-details-sexual-abuse-by-more-than-300-priests-in-Pennsylvanias-Catholic-Church/1/
Posted by 32doni32nido32 3 years ago
32doni32nido32
@backwardseden

Thank you very much!
But it's not like anybody is born ESPECIALLY smart. Some people can have certain advantages in areas, But it all depends on just how well you train yourself and study.
For instance, I'm 5'3 and always will be. I exercise and train quite a bit, But I will never be a football player. I simply wasn't given that form. But that's physical, Not mental.
At least quick reflexes make up for my short stature. At least, I hope they do.
Posted by 32doni32nido32 3 years ago
32doni32nido32
@mosc

Good thing I'm the one that was all the best parts of my twin.
He ended up dying; I guess I stole a little too much goodness and didn't leave enough for him. . . Whoops.
Oh well.

I can tell you're fluent in the language of Idiot.
Unfortunately, I have to confess that I lied; I'm still learning Idiot. You're quite the good teacher, As is @TRUMPMAGADONALD, @FollowerofChrist1955, And @Kent_Hovind.
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