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god is completely bankrupt and immoral and does not know what love, peace, harmony is

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Started: 5/3/2018 Category: Religion
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backwardseden

Pro

Exodus 34:14 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:" Real cute huh?

"You"ve got 3 religions of peace all worshiping the same god of love and forgiveness, and yet they"ve been at war, continuously, ever since their inceptions." Aron Ra

Pay attention closely:
*Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."
*Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."
*2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
*Psalm 19:7 "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple."
In other words god"s words AND laws are PERFECT. They cannot be changed by anyone or anything which would include that lowly drab christ who did not have permission to in the first place by his ranking superior, god, in which there's no evidence for them ---ever--- existing. So if YOU believe in YOUR christian god then you MUST follow and believe in the verses below implicitly.

RULES: Counter some of the verses below (pick 10 or more) and prove that there is love within the verses below and that god shows his love within the verses below...
Do not invent excuses
Do not use opinions
Using creationist(s) will NOT be valid

* god hates gays in his bible and wants them stoned to death LV 20:13 proving god hates,is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god hates anyone that blasphemes and wants to put you to death LV 24:16 which is true 100% hate and evil and nothing but and shows that god is nothing but hate and evil.
* god hates anyone that does not believe in him in his bible 2 CHR 15: 12-13, ESPECIALLY if someone worships another god/ idols other than himself, thus wants to kill them DT 13: 9-10 and 17: 2-5 proving god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god endorses slavery in his bible EX 21 the entire chapter especially 20-21 which is truly sick and disgusting, LV 25:39, LV 25:42, LV 25: 44-46, DT 15: 12-15, DT 23: 14-16, MT 18:25, proving god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god gets jealous in his bible EX 20: 3-5, EX 34:14, DT 4: 23-24, DT 32: 16-17, DT 5:9, DT 6:15, JH 24:19, PS 79:5, PS 78:58, 2 COR 1:2, proving that he is evil, hates and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god wants you to die in his bible if you break the sabbath EX 31:14, NU 15: 32-36 proving god hates and is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god wants to put you to death in his bible if you commit adultery LV 20:10 proving god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god has freely admitted in his bible numerous times that he IS evil IS 45:7, 2 SAM 12: 11-14 sick and disgusting, EX 32:14, 1 KS 1 22: 22-23, 2 CR 18:22, JM 19:3, JM 19:15, JM 23:12, AM 3:6, DT 30:15, 2 KS 22:16, JU 9:23, PV 15:3 thus proving that he IS evil which is irrefutable and also proves he hates and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god in his bible knowingly and truly hates children through numerous passages such as LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, 2 SAM 12:11-14 which is truly sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16, 2 KS 15:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, (EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21), JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, 2 KS 6: 28-29, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, 2 HS 2: 23-24, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, 2 KS 8: 9-15,LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23 only to name a few proves god hates and is 100% pure evil and 100% proves he cannot be involved with love.
* god hates women in his bible LM 4 9-11 sick and disgusting, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, JD 21:10, 2 SAM 12 11-14 sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31 17:18, LV 26 21:22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, DT 2 32-34, 2 KS 8: 9-15, 2 KS 15:16 sick and disgusting, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, 2 KS 6: 28-29 sick and disgusting, JD 19: 24-29, LM 2 20-22 sick and disgusting, 1 COR 14:34,1 TY 2:12 proves god hates, is evil and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god loves rape in his bible NU 31: 17-18, 2 SAM 12: 11-18 sick and disgusting, JD 19:24-29, JD 21: 10-24, DT 20: 10-14, DT 22: 28-29, DT 21: 10-14, JD 5:30, EX 21 7-11, ZE 14: 1-2 proving that he is evil, pure evil and nothing but, is filled with hate and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god commits abortions who knows how many times within several verses in his bible, so that means that christians do not follow their god which is extremely hypocritical and contradictory from his bible HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, 2 KS 8: 9-15 sick and disgusting, 2 HS 15:16 sick and disgusting, HS 9: 11-16, and perhaps the biggest acts of abortions were committed in the great flood according to this so-called god of the bible in the great flood (which never happened btw) so who knows how many pregnant mothers died there in his bible thus proving this god to be nothing but pure evil, hate and thus cannot be involved with love.
* god loves yummy cannibalism in his bible LM 2: 20-22, JM 11: 22-23, LV 26:29, 2 KS 6:28-29, LM 4: 9-11, proving this god to be truly sick and completely whacked out thus is evil, hates,and thus cannot be involved with love..
* Indeed god is far far far worse than Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hong Xiuquan, all serial killers, all rapists, all tortures, all pedophiles, all sadomasochists etc etc etc combined. After all god knowingly created them which means that he is ultimately responsible for them. Its either that or god is not a god and lets them off the hook with nothing but a tap on the shoulder for their horrific, disgusting, repugnant crimes and simply god---does---not---care. Now here's some examples of god"s sickened, diseased, abominable atrocities for absolutely no reason at all... the great flood according to the bible (which never happened btw) so who knows what the body count was there? 3,000 EX 32:27-28, 14,700 NU 16:49, 24,002 NU 25: 1-11, 12,000 JOS 8: 1-25, 10,000 JG 1:4, 120,000 JG 8:7-10, 42,000 JG 12:3-6, 1,000 JD 15:14-15, 3,000 JD 16:27-30, 25,101 JD 16:27-30, 1 SAM 4 34,002, 1 SAM 6:19 50,070, 2 SAM 8 65,850, 1 KI 20: 28-29 100,000, 1 KI 20: 30 27,000, KI 19 35 -37 185,000, 2 CHR 13 17-18 500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 2 CHR 28:6 120,000, Esther 9:5-18 75,813 etc etc etc Yeah god is really so moral huh? Nope.
Should you or anyone be worshiping this so-called god who in his bible has demonstrated he has a superior bloated ego complex in which NOBODY can even prove exists? Why? Why not?

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themasterdebater_101

Con

This kind of stuff makes me sick. I do not firmly believe in Christianity, but calling God immoral and comparing him to Hitler is more than crazy. These are just some of the worst things you scanned the Bible for. I know this is a weak argument and you will probably win, but hear me out, if you flip to almost any page in the Bible, you can find reasonable counterarguments to this. But I will to save you the time. And another note, God did not write the Bible, interpreters of God did.

*Counter to Lev 20:13 - Mark 12:30-31 "Love thy neighbor as thy love themselves" This is saying that you should love everybody who walks this earth, even if they do not believe in Christianity.
*Counter to Lev 24:16 - James 5:15 "The one who sins shall be forgiven" This is saying God will forgive the people who have sinned.
*Counter to 2 Chr 15: 12-13, Dt 13: 9-10 and 17: 2-5 - Isaiah 49:25 "I will contend with those who contend with you, and your children I will save." This is used as an analogy to Moses' people' slave owners. God is saying he will make them believe.
*Counter to Ex 21, Lev 25:39, Lev 25:42, Lev 25:44-46, Dt 15: 12-15, Dt 23:14-16, Mt 18:25 - John 8:32 "And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." If you believe in God (even if you don't, he will save you, as mentioned in the verse above), you will be set free. I know this is a loose one, but it can be taken figuratively and literally.
*Counter to Ex 20: 3-5, Ex 34:14, Dt 4: 23-24, Dt 32: 16-17, Dt 5:9, Dt 6:15, Jh 24:19, Ps 79:5, Ps 78:58, 2 Cor 1:2 - For the next ones, I'm going to argue it without verse. This one is pretty simple. He is not being jealous, but he is telling the people that worshiping idols can be dangerous and will lead you to the Devil.
*Counter to Ex 31:14, Nu 15: 32-36 - Yes, because the sabbath is considered holy and if you disrespect it it will be punished. In the Bible, breaking the sabbath is equivalent to burning the American flag or shouting Nazi propaganda.
*Counter to Lev 20:10 - Adultery is evil, like I said before, it is equivalent to burning the American flag or shouting Nazi propaganda.
*Counter to 2 Sam 12:11-14, Ex 32:14, etc. - I will use the same argument as I did with my counter to Lev 24:16, "The one who sins shall be forgiven." In most of teh instances you mentioned, the people God punished or planned to punish were committing sin, and he will forgive them.
*Counter to Lm 4: 9-11, Mt 10:37, Mt 2:16, Jg 21:10, 2 Sam 12:11-14, Dt 2:34, etc. In the case if many of them, including 2 Sam 12, God is punishing the sinners by taking away his son.
*Counter to Lm 2: 20-22, Jm 11: 22-23, Lv 26:29, 2 Ks 28-29, Lm 4: 9-11 - This is getting old. Same response as my previous counter.

There we go, 10 counterarguments. One thing to keep in mind though, I provided counterarguments for very literal interpretations of the Bible, and sometimes they are not all literal. Also, why are you tearing down something you don't even believe in?
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

It should make you sick. Christianity, its so-called god in which nobody can even prove exists is a sick little brainchild of many authors and who knows what they were thinking at the time they decided to pen the bible. After all no god of reasonable intelligence would ---ever--- use text as a form of communication, the worst form of communication possible.

No sorry there"s no counterarguments to the verses listed because the verses should never exist in the first place. If god was kind, caring, loving, peaceful, believed in harmony THEN WHY DIDN"T HE KEEP IT? Nah this sick little diseased god believes in hate, and has freely admitted to having evil, anger, wrath, vengeance, rage, fury, jealousy of all things. Jealousy? Jealousy is nothing but anger as disguised fear. Even better, well worse actually Exodus 34:14 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:"

Sure why not compare god to Hitler, after all god created Hitler and if god is god in any way shape or form he must have known what Hitler would be doing before he would be doing it. Also you do fully understand that Hitler was indeed a devout christian. I mean you do get that - right? But the worst of the worst is not Hitler by a long shot,, but Hong Xiuquan who knew himself to be the younger brother of christ. You should check him out and the Taiping Rebellion for a real kick. You should also look into all serial killers, torturers, sodomizers, rapists, pedophiles etc etc etc that god knowingly creates per year - especially when daddy takes his shotgun and blows his family away or when daddy decides to rape his little 4 year old girl so that he a$$ turns into her vagina. And people think there"s a god? Yeah if he exists, a god of true hate and pure evil and nothing but. So you think ANY of that is "moral" Are you sane or insane?

Oh and btw, I don"t give a crap about winning. Its not about winning. Its about what is right and what is wrong. What is just and what is unjust.

"God did not write the Bible, interpreters of God did." Nice guess. You don"t know that. And who is it to "interpret" god? Especially to change what he has to say over the generations to keep up with the times? Yep that"s another reason why YOUR god would ---never--- use text as a source of communication. Those who are scribes are---to---change what god has said? Are they for real? And what if they get it wrong? So then the next hand-me-down gets it wrong, but even worse this time.

*Counter to Lev 20:13 - Mark 12:30-31 "Love thy neighbor as thy love themselves" This is saying that you should love everybody who walks this earth, even if they do not believe in Christianity." Nope god issues a death warrant for those who are gay. god"s word cannot be changed because it is perfect and no one can change it. *Proverbs 30:5 , *Isaiah 40:8, *2 Timothy 3:16, *Psalm 19:7

*Counter to Lev 24:16 - James 5:15 "The one who sins shall be forgiven" This is saying God will forgive the people who have sinned." Blaspheme, well who knows what kind of sin? Sin is hypocritical and contradictory in your bible. Thus sin does not exist.
Does every man sin? Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:8)
Matt Dillahunty "What is sin and why should I care about it? (That"s a very good question. I don"t give a damn about sin. And that"s because I am not stupid enough nor ignorant enough to believe in a selfish self centered god so I have to look over my should every second of every day and worry about something that is completely meaningless such as sin) I understand why I should live an ethical life and treating people in certain ways, we have secular foundations for moral systems. But sin from the christian perspective is a crime against god or god"s nature itself - right? If god makes the rules and you violate it, that"s a sin. Well what if god makes a rule that you should kill your child, does that make it good? Caller " Yeah that"s where I do things that are not aligned in what the bible says." Matt "Yeah. But are they good things? Do you have good reasons to have that the things you are doing are not immoral? Like do you have an example? Like don"t confess to a crime or anything. For example the bible is opposed to homosexuality. Do you think there"s something immoral about those who are homosexuals?" Caller "Uh there"s none that I can think of." Matt "Yeah me neither. And so if the bible"s opposed to it add the bible is the word of god, and the Koran is opposed to it as well and the Koran is supposed to be the word of god as well, and there are two holy books and let them argue over who god is and what god thinks and until they can come up with a sound secular justification for homosexualiy being immoral then I don"t need to pay their views any money because its just an opinion at that point."

*Counter to 2 Chr 15: 12-13, Dt 13: 9-10 and 17: 2-5 - Isaiah 49:25 "I will contend with those who contend with you, and your children I will save." This is used as an analogy to Moses' people' slave owners. God is saying he will make them believe." god cannot force anyone to believe in him. That"s one power he does not have. Why do you think billions have not and do not (thankfully) believe in him today? Now those verses were referring to bowing down to other gods and leading his chosen people astray ih which required the death penalty. So really that verse of Isaiah doesn"t apply.

*Counter to Ex 21, Lev 25:39, Lev 25:42, Lev 25:44-46, Dt 15: 12-15, Dt 23:14-16, Mt 18:25 - John 8:32 "And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Of course you are going to lose it!!!! They have nothing to do with each other. The verses I first mentioned are about slavery. And you probably don"t know this but NOWHERE in your bible, and especially not by your god or jesus is it ever condoned.

*Counter to Ex 20: 3-5, Ex 34:14, Dt 4: 23-24, Dt 32: 16-17, Dt 5:9, Dt 6:15, Jh 24:19, Ps 79:5, Ps 78:58, 2 Cor 1:2 - For the next ones, I'm going to argue it without verse. This one is pretty simple. He is not being jealous, but he is telling the people that worshiping idols can be dangerous and will lead you to the Devil. Whoopsie! EX 34:14 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:" Ab-so-lu-te-ly 100% god is a jealous god in which no supreme deity would ---ever--- be.

*"Counter to Ex 31:14, Nu 15: 32-36 - Yes, because the sabbath is considered holy and if you disrespect it it will be punished. In the Bible, breaking the sabbath is equivalent to burning the American flag or shouting Nazi propaganda." No its worse in the bible. It requires your death.

*"Counter to Lev 20:10 - Adultery is evil, like I said before, it is equivalent to burning the American flag or shouting Nazi propaganda." No adultery isn"t evil. Raping a 6 year old girl is evil. But nah. Not according to the bible.

*Counter to 2 Sam 12:11-14 (this is a quote from evilbible.com "This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!" There"s no defense for rape. Come on. YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS!!!! And no forgiveness should be allowed, not ever. Ex 32:14 is NOT an excuse considering the fact that this god is supposed to know EVERYTHING and be a "god" and thus be "perfect". And since this is so, then he wouldn't need to "repent" for one goddamned thing. And I see no mentioning in your reasoning of the rape victims. Where are they? What happens to them?

*Counter to Lm 4: 9-11, Mt 10:37, Mt 2:16, Jg 21:10, 2 Sam 12:11-14, Dt 2:34, etc. In the case if many of them, including 2 Sam 12, God is punishing the sinners by taking away his son. TERRIBLE REASONING. I get it, since you are a child" So by your reasoning if your father did something wrong, then you should be punished for it. That"s totally absurd and ridiculous. But that"s the thinking of your god.

*Counter to Lm 2: 20-22, Jm 11: 22-23, Lv 26:29, 2 Ks 28-29, Lm 4: 9-11 - This is getting old. Same response as my previous counter." You are in any way, shape or form defending cannibalism?

You lost every single so-called argument except for one that ehhhhhh is iffy at best.

"Also, why are you tearing down something you don't even believe in?" WHAT? With all the violence and hate that you"ve seen in YOUR bible that is spreads. Damn right. And then again nobody can prove that this god even exists. It is the mere belief in this god that creates pain, suffering especially among children, and gives extreme false hope to the gullible.

One thing, in the next RD, if you wish to continue, please state which line you got it from like "rape" or "god hates women". I mean I don"t memorize all of my debates and it is hard for me to backtrack and see what you picked.

Regardless, I do appreciate your efforts and that you tried. Its a breath of fresh air, unlike most who flatly invent excuses which never works for me. So thanx!
themasterdebater_101

Con

Ok, you've made your point pretty clear. But you'll never brainwash me into a psycho atheist like yourself. The last thing I said in my round 1 argument was to make the point that if you don't believe in God, why do you need to make that point? I actually looked up some of your other debates and hmm, your first argument has been re used a lot. Why are you doing this? Why are you fighting against something you don't believe in? That's immoral.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

Awe that is so very kind and pillow fluffy of you to call me a "psycho atheist" when the first word out of your maw were "This kind of stuff makes me sick." So that's a bit of a hypocritical contradiction. But no need to worry as there's at least 1,000 in the bible along with inconsistencies to make YOUR bible truly unreadable. No you don't have a problem with me. You have a problem with yourself in being 14, bran spanking new to this, not knowing your stuff, and most importantly.... losing. So what?
Why I am doing this was---fully---explained---to---you. But---as---usual---the---typical---christian---CAN'T---READ.
themasterdebater_101

Con

Actually, I'm ten, just had to lie about my age. And I can read.

Another thing I want to point out is this is stuff you have hand picked from the Bible that can be interpreted as hateful. The Bible has a ton of other stuff that is good. This is kind of comparable to Kanye West tweets. Most of them are good, but some are bad, a select few. Also keep in mind that this book was written 2000 years ago and some stuff we can't judge with our modern human prejudice.
Debate Round No. 3
backwardseden

Pro

If as you say that you are only 10, you are remarkably intelligent and educated for your age. You do realize that I do NOT deal with liars. After I compose this round, the debate will be officially over.

"I want to point out is this is stuff you have hand picked from the Bible that can be interpreted as hateful." Oh really? Um wow. Well I take that back in stating that for your age that you are intelligent and educated. Because EVERYBODY no matter of their age who can READ as well as COMPREHEND (in which case you clearly cannot do) would INSTANTLY realize that the verses presented (and there's a whole ton more as I haven't even gotten into the jesus part so its not even close) are nothing but pure unadulterated hate and evil.

"The Bible has a ton of other stuff that is good." No it most certainly does not. And suppose what you are saying is true? Then that would definitively prove unquestionably that YOUR bible is filled with massive hypocritical contradictions and inconsistencies in which regardless there's a good 1,000 at least thus making YOUR bible truly unreadable at best. Now to answer the first statement the bible has a ton of other stuff that is good... Why because it gives people false hope. Here's a few correct ideals..

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Those of us schooled from infancy in his ways can become desensitized to their horror." - Richard Dawkins

"The simple solution is to chuck the bible out because we don"t need it for anything, even if there are things in it which there undoubtedly are, even if there are things that are good which there undoubtedly are" they"re not good because they"re in the bible, they"re not good because they come from a god, they are good because they are good, and they are something that we can discover without ever having to appeal to an old book and without having to tap dance around and sacrifice our humanity to make excuses about how we treat rape victims, and how we own people as property, and how there"s some "GRAND CONTEXT" in which all of this isn"t very bad. You have sacrificed your humanity for genuflecting to your religion. And its abominable." Matt Dillahunty

"Stop making excuses for your holy book. It is an abomination. It encourages abomination. And the more you sacrifice your humanity and morality to make excuses like "well god really wanted people to love each other but they just wouldn"t so they just wanted to nudge them in the right direction by saying you can own people but don"t beat them too damn much." Its still a weaka$$ immoral god. And YOU are better than that. Stop making excuses for the immorality. Take responsibility for your life and realize that if a GOD tells you that you can own somebody, that GOD is a piece of s--t." Matt Dillahunty

"I would say that instructions to kill homosexuals is immoral. I would say the subjugation of women is immoral. I would say that having women inferior position to men is immoral. I would say that selling your daughter into slavery is immoral. I would say that sacrificing the first thing that comes out of your house is immoral. I would say that substitutional atonement is immoral. I would say that the very concept of of sin is immoral" the idea that I could somehow offend a god or something that I could think or do which has no impact in or around in reality is immoral. I would say holding someone responsible for the sins of their father under the fourth or the tenth generation is immoral. How many more do you need before you recognize you are making excuses that advocates for immoral positions?" Matt Dillahunty

"I have yet to find an example of a moral standard in your holy book that I find morally correct. Caller "Then if your moral standards are so superior to the living god, then convert me." Matt "My moral standard is superior to the character, in fact my moral standards are superior to almost any character in the bible. I have no problem with that. I"ve said it many times and explained it many times before. I could maybe rattle off a list of sins." "Matt hasn"t killed anybody. How"s about that?" Yeah. I think anybody who advocates slavery is morally inferior. I think anybody that advocates genocide and slaughter is morally inferior. I think anybody that advocates infinite punishishment for finite crimes and deeds is morally inferior. I think anybody that is omniscient and omnipotent and omnibenevolent who creates a society to knowing that people are not going to be able to live up to his standards spends an eternity punishing them or spends many thousands of years punishing them trying to correct his mistakes over and over again he creates Adam and Eve they fail he banishes them out of the garden then there"s the tower of babel then there"s the flood there"s well actually there"s the flood then the tower of babel, sorry I got that backwards, its failure after failure after failure after failure after failure and then finally it culminates. And the only loophole that the creator of all the laws of the universe can come up with, why didn"t he just forgive everybody or change the laws? But instead he just comes up with a loophole where he comes down bodily and sacrifices himself to himself to act for a rule that he created? Its absurd. Its laughably absurd. And its immoral." Matt Dillahunty I 100% agree. I totally agree with Matt that my moral standards are 100% superior to almost ANY character in the bible.

"If you try to get clarification, if you try to get what the christian orthodox view is on the law, you're not going to find consensus. You"re not going to find christians "oh here"s what christians think about" they"re all going to have this concept of this different thing now. But as far as it applies and why and what to do with it, they"re all different. Its going to be a hard argument because most have different ideas about it and most are going to change their ideas and start tweeking them as soon as they have to start answering questions because they haven"t looked into it before most of them." Tracie Harris

"If I were you I would treat this as an exercise in understanding the whole of the fabric of societies. So maybe go ahead and talk to your pastor and don"t go in with an agenda. Go in and just interact and interview him and find out interesting things. And find out points where you agree and disagree. And then do the same thing with somebody else. Go to your local synagogue and ask them about judaism. Look up as many denominations as you can and have a chat with people. And I think what you"ll find over time is that everybody is convinced that they know the absolute truth. And everybody has wildly different opinions about what that is." Russell Glasser

Tracie Harris "We have a scripture that nobody can agree upon. We have written words that people can"t agree on. Human beings, they"re claiming that god exists but he won"t come and show himself and sort this mess out. I mean its just a train wreck. And it seems like that"s what he intended if there really is a god."

Tracie Harris "He wouldn"t mess it up or he intended it - right? If god knew that this was going to happen then this is what god intended.
Caller: god didn"t intend it.
Tracie: Yes he did. You said that god knows everything - right? OK if god knows everything then he knew that this would have happened and he could have done something differently so that this wouldn"t have happened and he didn"t. Therefore god intended this. If you create something and you know what it is going to do and you have alternatives as to how you could create it, and I am assuming that god has alternative options, and he created this the way he did, then what has happened is what god intended.
Caller: The problem is that you are thinking this from a human point of view.
Tracie (laughing): What point of view are you coming at it from? Aren"t you a human being? So you are coming at this as a human being as well.
Caller: I understand. But you got to understand from where god"s point of view as well.
Tracie: You can"t understand god"s point of view. Please explain how you as a human being would understand a divine point of view any better than me.
Caller: I think once you put yourself in god"s place it does mop itself out.
Tracie: I did put myself in god"s place and it does make sense. If I had different things I could try. If I had different cakes I can bake and I know that if I have this recipe I"m gonna get this texas sheet cake and I make this recipe and this texas sheet cake comes out, that"s what I intended. I could have baked a vanilla cake with strawberry frosting but I didn"t choose that option, I chose what would result in the texas sheet cake and I had many options to choose from and I knew this recipe for the texas sheet cake would turn out to be the texas sheet cake, therefor it was what I intended. This isn't difficult!"

"When she dies does she get to go to heaven? If she gets to go to heaven will she be happy? And she"ll probably say "yes". And you say "Will you be able to choose and do anything you want while you are in heaven?" And she"ll say "yes." And so you are basically saying "you"ll have free will in heaven?" So you have free will in heaven and no one is being hurt, raped, so you can do anything you want and no one gets hurt. If god has that power in heaven, he must have that power on earth. So he"s chose not to set that condition/ toggle switch which means he"s a dick." Phil Ferguson

"Could god have made the world and not suffering? And if they say "no" then he"s not all powerful. If they say "yes", then why didn"t he? Its a constant thing. There"s multiple ways to come at it." Phil Ferguson
themasterdebater_101

Con

I forfeit this round and you will ultimately win. I still do not agree with you, but I can not really come up with any other argument. we had a good debate while it lasted. Good job.
Debate Round No. 4
backwardseden

Pro

Its not about winning or losing. Its about what's right and wrong and what is just and unjust. And do you really think that with the sick and disgusting verses that this god, in which nobody can even prove exists, even IF proven exists, is in any way just? What kind of supreme deity ---of any kind--- would execute, and or think up such laws and thoughts and put into effect, and mean it, of all that hate? All of that most certainly IS NOT peace, kindness, harmony, love, care etc etc etc when it could have easily started out as such AND KEPT IT. After all this god is god. He can do anything. Nah he chose evil, anger, wrath, vengeance, rage, fury, jealousy all in which he freely admitted to having. Doesn't that strike you as odd? And jealousy? From a supreme deity? Jealousy in nothing but anger as disguised fear. And then even worse is this supposed god neatly passed down those baggage emotions, and sorry if I am repeating myself, so in turn man could learn to hate. Great going god. Great going those who believe in him with at least 1 billion dead on the battlefields alone all in his supposed "good" name. And its going to get worse, much worse if revelation is played out. Hideous. And remember Exodus 34:14 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:"
themasterdebater_101

Con

You may think that is evil, but in his followers' eyes, it is their teachings.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by 32doni32nido32 3 years ago
32doni32nido32
@SHARINGISCARINGg
I'll try to get with the times...I've never been that good at it though.
I was just kind of hoping that there would be some respectful atheists that deserve to be treated well. So far I've only seen one.

I understand what you're saying with the terrorist thing. Thanks for clearing it up. :D
Posted by SHARINGISCARINGg 3 years ago
SHARINGISCARINGg
@32doni32nido32, as i said, "anyone that commits a crime "in the name of God," is not a Christian." So how can there be Christian terrorists? They may think they are Christians, but their "reward" will be waiting for them. If they were Christians, they would know "Thou shalt not murder."

And then to your second comment, you need to understand the trends of modern atheists. Right now, hating on Christians is "in." It's the "big thing." It's "happening." Gosh, get with the times.
Posted by 32doni32nido32 3 years ago
32doni32nido32
@SHARINGISCARINGg

But haven't there been Christian terrorists before? Their belief is twisted of course, but I think there have been a few cases where a Christian was a terrorist.

@BaphometSgl

You too? Targeting Christian's intelligence or lack thereof? Geez does every atheist do this?
Nobody should care about insults in a debate and take them personally. All there should be is evidence rather than attacking the opposing side's personality or intelligence. You see, nobody cares about your opinion (and nobody cares about mine or anyone else's either). You are no one to judge someone's thinking.
Posted by 32doni32nido32 3 years ago
32doni32nido32
@backwardseden

@SHARINGISCARINGg 's first comment said it perfectly.
Posted by SHARINGISCARINGg 3 years ago
SHARINGISCARINGg
Ok, I don't know why you all think that Christians do things that are obviously wrong in the name of Christ, but that simply isn't true. We said that God works in mysterious ways, not us. We know we are bad people, we don't ask anyone to look at the "good" in us, because we are the people that know there is no "good" in us.
@BackCommander, we are not love, or goodness. we are just the people that understand how terrible we are. Anyone that commits a crime "in the name of God," is not a Christian. They are probably just atheists trying to make Christianity look bad. We are the same as everyone else, except if we are truly Christians, then we actually TRY to be better. Of course we will fail because we are human, but we try. And we try in the name of God. We try to please God. We understand that when our lives end, God will be the judge of if we spend our lives in Heaven or Hell. One commandment that God gives us is "do not bear false witness," which is what you just did @backcommander. There are no Christian terrorists. And if you believe there are, you are wrong. Because it never says in the Bible: "sacrifice people in my name and something good will happen to you." Never. Stop lying.
Posted by BackCommander 3 years ago
BackCommander
The logic of Christians, "No no no, I may have murdered this family and eaten their skin but there are also good qualities in me. I saved five families from a bus crash and throw a picnic every month. I'm also going to go ahead and say that I'm love and also goodness. Goodness and love can't hate people enough to murder them and eat their skin, focus on all the good stuff I do instead."

That's you. That's what you sound like.
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 3 years ago
FollowerofChrist1955
backwardseden;
Isaiah 6
9 He said, "Go and tell this people:

""Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving."
10
Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.[a]
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed."
Posted by BaphometSgl 3 years ago
BaphometSgl
@themasterdebater_101 ""Ok, you've made your point pretty clear. But you'll never brainwash me into a psycho atheist ""

ahahahahah really bro? you are already brainwashed to believe in a book, from 6 yo they're brainwashing you

Most of Atheist ware religious , they just woke up!!!

And if you think that you will Saved if you're loyal to 1 ancient Book, You will be saved from what? Critical Thinking?
Posted by BaphometSgl 3 years ago
BaphometSgl
@themasterdebater_101 Atheists are what? we are not the ones having imaginary friends and committing crimes in the name of "God"

Who is immoral? BackwardsEden or you? I am sure you're the immoral one, you are willing to sacrifice your Humanity for a Book say so
Posted by BaphometSgl 3 years ago
BaphometSgl
i agree with @backwardseden , God is Immoral Thug, he only satisfies with terror and bloodshed
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